What can Somaliland gain from the Londen Conference?

[Carafaat]

Some folks thing Somaliland's case at the Londen Conference will be that it wants international recongnition.

Well think again. Somaliland's domestic souvereignity and thus that it has control and enforce its laws in the whole country

is in question with Khaatuma and Awdalland. Therefor its greatest win would be that all parties from Somalia present and the international community recongnize that Somaliland goverment has full legitimicy, mandate, control and souvereinity of its land

And that it can enforce its laws on its territory. But for this Somaliland needs to sign and agreement with those parties that it will

Remain part of the country Somalia and will negoitiate its Union once parties involved in Road Map have reached an agreement on its post transition period. So Somaliland can sitdown with Somalia.

 

This is only way it can save its statehood and its founding principles and clearing all clan states . If such a deal is not reached, then expect the clan states receiving support from Ethiopia, Somalia and maybe even the int community.

This is based on my own assement of the current developments and what effect it could on Londen.

 

Tusbax ayaa furmay, tusbaxaa waa habka kaliya oo la isku so celin karo.

 

Failure to do reach an agreement could stimulate more clan states in Somalia and

Somaliland. And cost us decades to get a workable Somali goverment.

[IAmRevolution]

I think the question one should ask himself is, what is somaliland? We all know that the newly formed States of Awdal and Khaatumo, along with Maakhir (which isn't a State, per se) consist of 45-55% of Former British-Somaliland Protectorate.

 

Somaliland consists of Togheer, Western Sanaag, and Wagooyi Galbeed. If these regions that will fall under Somaliland wants to secede, then so be it. Khaatumo and Awdal will gladly sign off the Divorce Papers on a International level. However, if "Somaliland" chooses to stick with Somalia as a federal state consisting of Western Sanaag, Togdheer and Waqooyi Galbeed, then they will surely be treated equally as the rest of the federal Somali states of Somalia.

 

Each State in a Federal Somalia will create it's own State Constitution, it's own State Laws, that will not conflict with the Federal Laws. However, no State will have jurisdiction over the Federal Government of a Somalia.

 

No State within Somalia will have International Connection with Foreign companies and Nations, without going thru the Federal Government of Somalia.

 

Carafaat, I know, I really know that it hurts you deeply that newly established States of Somalia, such as Khaatumo State and Awdal State have crippled an entity that supposedly existed unofficially for 21 years. We dictate your fate, mate. Get use to it.

[Duufaan]

Carafaat

do not count khaatumo. we are not intresting that deal. we left puntland and you think we are intrested to be part of somaliland. Khaatum is already fully intergarated. smart way of thinking but the game is over

[IAmRevolution]

Duufaan;784824 wrote:

Carafaat

do not count khaatumo. we are not intresting that deal. we left puntland and you think we are intrested to be part of somaliland. Khaatum is already fully intergarated.

Can't Carafaat and his fellow clansmen from Hergeisa and Burco survive without being cuddled by Khaatumo or Awdal? lol

[Carafaat]

Sxb, Khaatumo is political value. Don't waste it but invest it wisely.

 

How to Investe it?

 

-Political agenda(more funds, more seats and more share, Somali unity, less SNM politics) from Somaliland.

 

How to waste it?

 

-Trying to create your own maamul based on clan. For sure it will get divided along clan lines and pealed off layer b y layer like a onion. See the example of Puntland(Makhir, SSC, Rascaseyr,western Puntland and left with discruntled sub-clans). Making your political value, cheap sales with discount for Somaliland. Loosing your political agenda and your maamul.

 

And your folks are not widely known as the most patient Somali's. So use the momentum and invest wisely.

[Duufaan]

IAmRevolution;784825 wrote:

Can't Carafaat and his fellow clansmen from Hergeisa and Burco survive without being cuddled by Khaatumo or Awdal? lol

waxayna lahayn bay rabaa inay kugor gorgortamaan. damaaci xun dheh

[IAmRevolution]

Carafaat, you're the most hypocritical, coward member on SOL, no offense. You're like a the Prostitute and the Pimp in one. In one hand, you have your SNM ideological secessionist rubbish, cheering every time you come across a small scale of what you think achievement for the Secessionists. On the other hand, you're yapping about Somalia and it's affairs, pretending to be a "Unionist" with your childish, illogical rhetoric that makes no sense whatsoever.

 

You're smart. You've got your two feet, each on the other side of the line. If the SNM ideology fails, you'll easily be with Somalia and known as the guy from Waqooyi Galbeed who was a "unionist" prior to SNM's failure. However, God forbid, if the Somaliland secessionist agenda succeeds, you'll easily get onboard with Somaliland and say "Good Bye" to Somalia and it's affairs.

 

Either way, you're a coward. Choose your side, there is no such thing as "Being in the Middle", mate.

[Duufaan]

Carafaat;784826 wrote:

Sxb, Khaatumo is political value. Don't waste it but invest it wisely.

 

How to Investe it?

 

-Political agenda(more funds, more seats and more share, Somali unity, less SNM politics) from Somaliland.

 

How to waste it?

 

-Trying to create your own maamul based on clan. For sure it will get divided along clan lines and pealed off layer b y layer like a onion. See the example of Puntland(Makhir, SSC, Rascaseyr,western Puntland and left with discruntled sub-clans). Making your political value, cheap sales with discount for Somaliland. Loosing your political agenda and your maamul.

 

And your folks are not widely known as the most patient Somali's. So use the momentum and invest wisely.

what that makes different? it is still clan state whether khaatumo or awdal is part of. I though you were wise person. Either the 18 regions or somehting smaller or clan states. nothing else

[IAmRevolution]

Duufaan;784827 wrote:

waxayna lahayn bay rabaa inay kugor gorgortamaan. damaaci xun dheh

Dee wey uu bartayn. They live in areas that belonged to Reer SSC 30, 40, 50 years ago. They think, the way they have taken over Burco iyo Caynaba, they think they were given the entire land to them by Allah siida Yahuuda! lol

[Carafaat]

IAmRevolution;784820 wrote:

I think the question one should ask himself is, what is somaliland? We all know that the newly formed States of Awdal and Khaatumo, along with Maakhir (which isn't a State, per se) consist of 45-55% of Former British-Somaliland Protectorate.

 

Somaliland consists of Togheer, Western Sanaag, and Wagooyi Galbeed. If these regions that will fall under Somaliland wants to secede, then so be it. Khaatumo and Awdal will gladly sign off the Divorce Papers on a International level. However, if "Somaliland" chooses to stick with Somalia as a federal state consisting of Western Sanaag, Togdheer and Waqooyi Galbeed, then they will surely be treated equally as the rest of the federal Somali states of Somalia.

 

Each State in a Federal Somalia will create it's own State Constitution, it's own State Laws, that will not conflict with the Federal Laws. However, no State will have jurisdiction over the Federal Government of a Somalia.

 

No State within Somalia will have International Connection with Foreign companies and Nations, without going thru the Federal Government of Somalia.

 

Carafaat, I know, I really know that it hurts you deeply that newly established States of Somalia, such as Khaatumo State and Awdal State have crippled an entity that supposedly existed unofficially for 21 years. We dictate your fate, mate. Get use to it.

Sxb, the last thing Somalia wants is 5 northern clan states bickering about nothing else then clan,clan,clan. They already have Puntland. Maybe you don't know but in Southern Somalia there is no single province of region inhabited nor claimed by a single clan or sub-clan. They are already working towards integration of al the clan states(see meeting Xiiin and Xeeb with Hiiraan,Shabele, and 10 other clans), see Azania/Jubbaland both claiming to be the most divers rathern emphazising a single clan.

 

Dadna waxbee isku celiniyaan, adna waxbaa kala saarisaa. Walee reer waqooyi waa ruwaayad.

[Abdul]

Carafat,you asking for too much, brother.Sl is part of Somalia and it will be treated as such in any conference about the country.What you trying to say is you want to have your cake and eat it too.

[IAmRevolution]

Carafaat;784831 wrote:

Sxb, the last thing Somalia wants is 5 northern clan states bickering about nothing else then clan,clan,clan. They already have Puntland. Maybe you don't know but in Southern Somalia there is no single province of region inhabited nor claimed by a single clan or sub-clan. They are already working towards integration of al the clan states(see meeting Xiiin and Xeeb with Hiiraan,Shabele, and 10 other clans), see Azania/Jubbaland both claiming to be the most divers rathern emphazising a single clan.

 

Dadna waxbee isku celiniyaan, adna waxbaa kala saarisaa. Walee reer waqooyi waa ruwaayad.

Do not compare Northern Somalia to Southern Somalia. In the North, we have only 3 major clan (excluding Beelaha Gabooye). The 3 major clans respectfully settle a territory separately. No clan lives within another clan in Northern Somalia. Every clan has it's border, that's the beauty of Northern Somalia's clan system.

 

We have Reer Awdal, we have Reer Khaatum-Maakhir, and then we have Reer SNM.

 

How hard is it to comprehend that Reer Khaatumo-Maakhir do not want anything to do with Beesha SNM? It isn't like SNM clans live in Laascaanood, Eastern Sanaag or Boorame? If that was the case, then I would've agreed with you. If Siilaanyo's clan lived in Buuhoodle, Laascaanood, Ceerigaabo's Eastern side and Boraame, then you would make sense as to have an integration. However, that's not the case.

 

Southern Somalia's clan system is far more complex. Clans settle together, arch-enemies lay on top of each other, geographically. The mixture is very hard to separate, thus integration is the only way forward. Compare to Northern Somalia and it's clear Clan-Borders.

[Duufaan]

carafaat

adeer markan wax laysku celiyo looma baahna. beelo laysugeeye mashaqeyso. northern or reer waqooyi hada idinka uubay soomaalida idiin taqaan

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

I don't understand carafaat is a unionist he wants somaliland as a state to lead somalia asswel using one country with two systems and share a common foreign policy military. You guys should welcome his ideas if you are truly unionist haadi kale wax kale idinka guuxaya.

[Freedom]

I wonder how long before they kick out i am revolution aka dervish or the other alias he uses lol