Somalia Posted January 31, 2012 Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;783272 wrote: The argument is still valid and nothing to do with personalities. The theme of the argument is this: Soomaaliya is a war-torn country, with corrupt, marginalized, divided weak leaders. Soomaaliya is no position to sign long-term natural resources agreements with shady companies now. It was the same valid argument raised by that Garoowe Online editorial in 2008. It still stands, nothing to do with Faroole's son, Faroole himself or the author of this article, Bilan. This is what you and the author fundamentally do not understand. The Republic of Somalia is not needed in the equation no more. They didn't even sign the oil exploration deal but signed a deal that Puntland would negotiate its own deals. You want Mogadishu to make the deals but it isn't going to happen. What worries you is not the deal but how Puntland reaps it. When Puntland signs a deal like the Iraqi Kurdistan region, what will Somalia do? Will it "pressure" the oil companies? The money won't even be paid into a central account for distribution, Puntland will get its part and Somalia its. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ElPunto Posted January 31, 2012 Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;783272 wrote: The argument is still valid and nothing to do with personalities. The theme of the argument is this: Soomaaliya is a war-torn country, with corrupt, marginalized, divided weak leaders. Soomaaliya is no position to sign long-term natural resources agreements with shady companies now. It was the same valid argument raised by that Garoowe Online editorial in 2008. It still stands, nothing to do with Faroole's son, Faroole himself or the author of this article, Bilan. What are you are saying here is that Somalia will make a poor bargain given it's current situation. It's not invalid point in general but what I'm saying and have been saying - is that at this point it's premature. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar Posted January 31, 2012 Soomaaliya needs to be stabilized first. Secondly, this is purely a central government matter, not a gobol state matter, when dealing with foreign -- especially shady -- corporations. Then there is the interim constitutional matter and what it says. How can a gobol deal directly with a foreign shady companies and sign deals without central state's present? What is the purpose of central government then if it doesn't even perform duties like this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ElPunto Posted January 31, 2012 ^Oh come on. Alberta signs its own deals without federal government involvment. That shouldn't be a concern as long as the federal government is getting its fair share and the contract terms are good for the country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Somalia Posted January 31, 2012 You can define the central government in whatever way you want. There's nothing shady about this. The only shade is the one the oil rig gives out in the bright sun light. I just want to see the oil and prosper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted January 31, 2012 It does not matter what any one wants or says this matter has moved on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Somalina Posted January 31, 2012 More exploring and less begging. Drill it I say. http://www.mudug.com/oil.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar Posted January 31, 2012 ElPunto;783291 wrote: ^Oh come on. Alberta signs its own deals without federal government involvment. That shouldn't be a concern as long as the federal government is getting its fair share and the contract terms are good for the country. Oh, yes. Here for your convenience: The Constitution Act, 1867, Section 109 ensures the province full ownership of the lands and resources within its borders. The province acts as the landowner and the federal government oversees jurisdiction over trade, commerce and taxation . Wikipedia Which means only the federal government deals with foreign companies. Again, Soomaaliya is not federal yet. And it doesn't have a permanent constitution, only interim one which does not allow this unilateral dealings with foreign companies, particularly shady ones, by gobolooyinka for now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Somalina Posted January 31, 2012 In 2007 the TFG allowed PL to make its own deals, and in return PL will share the oil profits with them 50/50, and most importantly it can't break away from Somalia. Large amount of our natural wealth is unexploited and it is high time we develop our country in order to reap what Allah has bestowed upon us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted January 31, 2012 Somalina;783216 wrote: She's a hater! Atleast Amin Amir is avoiding the news of the oil in Daroor Valley and the peace in Xamar and is keeping busy with nonsense like these. Who the hell is that and thats some ugly flag awoowo muxu aha kan maroodiga saaraan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ElPunto Posted February 1, 2012 ^MMA - A landowner can sign any deal as he sees fit. The federal government oversees - it doesn't negate, prevent or abrogate a contract signed by a provincial government unless there is a very clear reason. My point stands - many countries allow sub national entities to enter into contracts for resource extraction. For you - that shouldn't be a relevant issue as long as the contract is fair and the federal government is getting a fair share. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Somalina Posted February 1, 2012 Awoowe, it seems that Amir is on certain clique's payroll these days. That dude, Mr Ducaale is Jubbaland's new hogaamiye. Mar lee madexweyne igu yeera. lol...more quule anyone? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NASSIR Posted February 1, 2012 MMA, You sound more like Sheik Atam Well-written, sound argument by Bilan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar Posted February 1, 2012 Naasir, amaa 'hater' lagu dhahaa adigana. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ElPunto Posted February 1, 2012 ^Really? - why does no one enumerate the well written and sound arguments by the madam? Which are they exactly? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
