SOMALILAND: Fatal Dalliance With False Cause

[burahadeer]

Mintid Farayar;779650 wrote:

It’s always highly amusing to read the postings on SOL. One thing comes through loud and clear though. While Somalia (the South) is a huge country with many different interest groups inhabiting it, opposition to Somaliland comes almost exclusively from ‘one corner’. The rest of Somalia’s communities remain ambivalent or at the very least indifferent. This boils down to this group’s fear of remaining a perpetual minority in both Somaliland and Somalia while having tasted ‘the highs of ultimate state power’ under the united Somali Republic of the past.

 

Well, those days are long gone, my friends. Make peace with the realities of the new century. Push with all your might but just don’t scream as the push back is given…

 

true,they scared to death & more ova were left in the desert parts of the country...Now they wish there was greater somalia.Too late,keep barking.

[Abtigiis]

I cannot be expected to offer pointless apologies and assuaging words every time a touchy Somalilander plays victim over a non-existent insult. For reasons only posterity shall know, the issue of woman in Somaliland attracts an unwarranted confrontation, even when their names are raised in a non-abusive way. That Oromos are marrying Somaliland girls in droves in Hargeisa is a fact of life that cornering poor Abtigiis on SOL would not solve. It need not be a problem too, unless some of us subscribe to the foolish belief that some people are better than others. My point was political, not social discussion. I would have liked more integration between SL and South so that the cause of unity triumphs over that of disunity. There is no reason why I would have to look for some deflecting parapet on this issue. Jacaylbaro knows it is true, Oodweyne knows it. To like it or not to like it is up to them.

 

If this trend of cross-breeding with foreigners was to cement the distinctiveness of SL from Somalia, and it ended up with a dizzying and ecstatic tango with refugees from Ethiopia, it is not Abtigiis’s fault. I did not force anyone to mate with strangers. In fact, I gasped when I saw hands and limbs of two different races locked in a poisonous embrace. We all are old enough to know that making love creates babies. Why lament the ensuing pregnancy if one didn’t mind the embrace? In this case, why mind the gossip, if one didn't mind the act?

 

Faced with a disastrous “human” consequences of politicized-love, the secessionists in SOL have characteristically turned to victim-playing for some modicum of mitigation. I can understand their manufactured rage. But the real issue is that the secession agenda is coming to its close, and therefore we can expect sore eyes, drooling noses.

 

Sister Blessed,

Talking about women is not necessarily insulting them or looking down at them. True, some people sometimes say things like “you talk a woman” etc, but that is not an insult. Men and women are different. They reason differently, they talk differently on many issues. To the extent the said statement is to reflect this difference it is not offensive. If it is meant in the classical Somali way of “waa dumar warkii”, then it becomes an offence.

[burahadeer]

^^Emotional rescue!.Astounded by the destruction in your back yard at the O enclave & looking for some where to lash out?

If somaliland could vanish at your wish it wouldn't be here in the first place.Doesn't matter what you say,you havn't been correct once in 20yrs of hoping lite at the end of tunnel!

[NASSIR]

If you do not understand my simile, then go and see the post Oodweyne did few days ago with “perfidy” as a title. He thinks Somaliland can reject Britain. He thinks Somaliland’s absence from the London conference will strengthen its secession drive. He is of the opinion a fight between SL and UK is a tussle of two giant elephants. Such is the level of delusion that he thinks London is Buuhoodle, or UK is Khaatumo State, or more accurately Djibouti. Few weeks ago, his senile uncle was summoned by Djibouti to be told that SL’s passport is no more accepted in this tiny casino state. And his uncle could do nothing. Instead of taking that as a useful indicator of where power lies and more crucially where it is absent, Oodweyne petitions the SL government not to go to London. This, amid Khaatumo’s triumph, amid Awdal’s resurgence.

Great point there.

[STOIC]

I agree with Blessed here...It is NOT like you expected your writtings to create a genuine frisson for Somalilnaders on this site.AT&T i think your corporeal craving energy for Somaliland women shortcomings has put a bad taste to your writing. Your arrested sexuality and repressed erotics of the culture you live in is manifested in your writing.Even if there is a kernel of truth of what you are saying, the question you should ask yourself is Who cares what type of "race" these women marry? .I think I know and you know whatever pendlum a woman attracts towards what is between her leg is purely a choice that she makes and you are turning it into a political gaffe..........

[burahadeer]

somaliland goats coming up!!!

[Carafaat]

Abtigiis;779921 wrote:

That Oromos are marrying Somaliland girls in droves in Hargeisa is a fact of life that cornering poor Abtigiis on SOL would not solve. It need not be a problem too, unless some of us subscribe to the foolish belief that some people are better than others. My point was political, not social discussion. I would have liked more integration between SL and South so that the cause of unity triumphs over that of disunity. There is no reason why I would have to look for some deflecting parapet on this issue. Jacaylbaro knows it is true, Oodweyne knows it. To like it or not to like it is up to them.

 

If this trend of cross-breeding with foreigners was to cement the distinctiveness of SL from Somalia, and it ended up with a dizzying and ecstatic tango with refugees from Ethiopia, it is not Abtigiis’s fault. I did not force anyone to mate with strangers. In fact, I gasped when I saw hands and limbs of two different races locked in a poisonous embrace.

We all are old enough to know that making love creates babies. Why lament the ensuing pregnancy if one didn’t mind the embrace?

In this case, why mind the gossip, if one didn't mind the act?

 

Clearly you havent been to Ethiopia in recent deaced. Otherwise you would see that whole Somali clans "breed" with Oromo's. In fact during my travels throughout the region, I found that Gedo folks in Ethiopia intermarry the most with Oromo's. And SNM are the most difficult clan to intermarry with.

 

So clearly, your statements above is in line with Afweyne and ****** lie's and trying to stereotype my folks being "gaalo" jaceel, jewsish descent and not strict with Islam(xoosh) comments. All propaganda spread by a vicious regime. And it wont work to create a rift between us and folks in South-Somalia, that is where you underlying intention seems to be, in the hope of finding support from the Southern Somali's. Again a ****** strategy that has failed to work, people in Somalia discovered who the real foreigners were and the real occupiers. And the days one can simply corss borders and become Generals the next day, is really over and irrelevent where Somalia and Somaliland head to, it certainly wont matter for the Ethiopiand Kenyan Somali's as it wont for the Oromo's in Ethiopia and Kenya.

[Abtigiis]

STOIC;779928 wrote:

Even if there is a kernel of truth of what you are saying, the question you should ask yourself is Who cares what type of "race" these women marry? .I think I know and you know

whatever pendlum a woman attracts towards what is between her leg is purely a choice that she makes and you are turning it into a political gaffe

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:D

 

No, I am not! But clearly you cannot delink politics from the women's choices particularly when the choices are induced by punitive environment that minimized their options. I am an economist, and I look at various economic, behaviourial and demographic factors to arrive at some conclusions. There are too many indicators that show secession agenda is changing the social and demographic attributes of the North. I highlighted one such case. Argued differently, the increase in marriage between mere refugees from neighbouring countries and the women of the host community is also a sign of economic meltdown, for marriages are also about economic power-play. It shows the state of unemployment, destitution is more severe than we ever thought. Let us look at this discussion from that angle. :D

[NGONGE]

A&T has the ability to always be sublime but he wastes it all by choosing to be ridiculous. Allah kareem.

[Abtigiis]

NG, what is rediculous about what I am saying about your fiefdom? :D

 

Someone saw the Draft Communique to be issue after the London Conference, I see no where in it about Somaliland, except under Piracy where it says " We welcome the arrangements some of us have instigated to allow us to capture pirates at sea; transfer them to the jurisdiction of the Seychelles and Mauritius for trial [and others]; and then if convicted, the transfer of prisnors to internationally certified prisions in Puntland and Somaliland. These arrangements will be extended, to ensure a virtuos and effective circle of arrest, trial and imprisonment from sea to Somalia." :D

 

So, who will be calling who a Pirate after this is publicized?

 

I won't leak any more on this, but it is clear the South will be different if what is written is implemented.

[NGONGE]

^^ Don't play the fool warya, you know exactly what I meant. Behave.

 

p.s.

You've got to leak more, it'll help your argument.

[Abtigiis]

It will but I won't. But seriously the Roadmap which Sharif and Faroole put their money on is no more. :D

I just can't think what more spin the lackluster Mohamed Abdullahi Omar wiould come out?

Whatever the outcome of the London meeting, one thing is certain. It will mark a firm rejection of the secession agenda.

 

P.s. Ok, I accept your advice on the other issue.

[NGONGE]

^^ Worst case scenario is that SL will remain where it is today (with no recognition). Live to fight another day and all that. So, what is it that's getting you and others all excited about this meeting? I mean, in your 'inside info' there, does it mention anything about AMISOM forces in Hargeisa or something? If not, naga daa dee.

[Abtigiis]

No, it doesn't. but it does mention stablisation fund, it does mention bringing back Somali armed forces, it does mention the option on table is only centralised Vs federal government in Somalia.

 

So, we will see how long the sulking secessionists cope after this is put in place. The South managed to survive the SNM scare for two decades, let us see if you can survive a flourishing south for three years, with no travel documents, no international donor money. I know your reaction, but good luck!

 

Qasab baan kugu qabayaa ma aha, laakin markay Awdal, Makhiir, Khatumo iyo sizeable SNM's soo xaroodaan, NG will remain with a small group of calan-cas who are basically reduced to being prison guards, with no real power or means to challenge the unfolding events. Then the walaaltinimo talk kicks in, not before that. Because they say a petulant child drinks for dinner the milk he refused at lunch.

[The Hermet]

^^^ whose sulking we been partying for 20 years now...dont think your first to say ohhhh this is the end of Somaliland...we been hearing and humiliating your kind for 20 years...we been getting stronger every year...no one fears you saxib...runta ma ku shegna..when you had africa's third largest army we reduced it to nothing and took its weapons...today these very weapons defend our state...no one fears your kind walahi we see you as a joke...end of somaliland..end of somaliland....come back in 20 years him or his child will be saying...end of somaliland...saxib we been standing for 20 years, we have the largest standing Somali army today... we have your villages on lock..dont cry about it...Somaliland will not participate in this conference...

 

and heres the secret to Somaliland success...understand that you and only you can help yourself..no Britain, No kenya, No Ethiopia...just you....the funny thing..the reason why you want Somaliland is because you realise no credible Somali state can be created without them...think about it....21 conference not one did Somaliland take part in...why would it now???

 

hahahahaah....Flourishing south??? with or without a flourishing south we have been flourishing for 20 years...just because alshabab visibility has been reduced in Mugdisho do you seriously believe peace is close to southern Somalia??? woooooow...talk about seriously deluded. We dont need a dime from Somalia, we have been self sufficient and we are probably richer today then the entire south put together: The Somaliland currency even though its unrecognised is worth double the Somali shilling back home... hahahaha...

 

dream on dreamer....