Shaykh Sharif Is Calling For Puntland Seccession

[Dr_Osman]

Sharif saying to Puntland Give Up On Us. 8:42-:8:48 mark

 

Farole also said something similar. 1:26-1:33 mark

 

I am suscipious are the mogadishu folks stalling a government to happen so Puntland separates and they share the power with themselves? But it is worrying when farole says such things and sharif says something along the same lines of "Oh Puntland give up on us" !!!

[Somalia]

I think he is joking, just like he was at the end of the Garowe Conference.

[Somalina]

Mogadishu folks iyo Hargeysa folks waxaan aheyn ma haysid miyaa?

 

Gooso ama bada ku dhac waa mid adiga ku taal, calaacalka badan waxaa ka fiican in waxyaabaha kuu qabsoomey ku faanto, deriskaagana ixtiraamto. Imaan yeelo. Merry Chritmas.

[Dr_Osman]

Somalai its suspicious that in the mogadishu conference farole said something of similar nature and sharif has re-said that in garowe!!! Its fishy

[Somalia]

Nah, he's just playing because Faroole basically threatened to take another road if the conference didn't take place and Shariif is just joking with him because he knows that would not happen.

 

Puntland is part of Somalia and will always be part of Somalia. Even if the rest of Somalia told us to leave we'd still be there.

 

Too much blood has been vested for us to ever even consider leaving.

[OdaySomali]

Somalia and Dr. Osman have remarkably similar characters. weird :confused:

[Dr_Osman]

SENSITIVE

 

DEPT FOR AF/E

EMBASSY ACCRA FOR A/S CARSON

 

E.O. 12958: N/A

TAGS: PGOV, PREL, ECON, KWMN, SOCI, SO

SUBJECT: SOMALIA - Puntland Region Moves Toward Greater Autonomy

 

1. (SBU) Summary: On June 29, Puntland's parliament passed a new

constitution which, if ratified by public referendum (tentatively

scheduled for 2010), would increase the likelihood of Puntland's

succession. Contacts tell us clan and business interests could stave

off ratification. The constitution also calls for a transition from

clan representation to a pluralist system. The move to multi-party

democracy, however, is likely to remain illusory if Puntland

President Abdirahman Farole continues to use the democratization

process as a tool to consolidate executive power and embolden his

subclan of the *****/*****. We are urging Farole to work with civil

society and election advisors, provide civic education in advance of

general elections, consult with clan elders from across Puntland,

and engage with the TFG on the contentious issues of federalism and

resource control. End Summary.

 

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Constitutional Reform, A Multi-Year Process

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2. (SBU) The Puntland regional government operated under a

provisional charter when it was first established in 1998 until May

26, 2001, when its parliament approved a provisional constitution.

The provisional constitution relied on clan elders to select members

of parliament who subsequently elected the speaker of parliament,

president and vice president. The provisional constitution was

supposed to have been subject to a referendum in 2004. However, lack

of capacity and political will prevented the referendum from taking

place.

 

3. (SBU) The new constitution was developed through a process that

began in May 2007. A government-appointed constitutional review

committee comprised of 11 members created the first draft which was

submitted to several public forums of second tier political figures

such as mayors and governors, civil society members, and traditional

leaders. In June 2008, following the public forums, the committee

completed a final draft of the constitution. The cabinet passed the

draft, but the parliament refused to do so, arguing that any next

steps should be taken by the next administration. The parliament was

set to expire in 6 months and Presidential elections were scheduled

for January 2009. On June 29, after six months of cabinet level

redrafting, Puntland's new administration approved the

constitution.

 

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Multi-Party Politics

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4. (SBU) The new constitution introduces, for the first time,

multi-party competitive politics in Puntland and builds upon

Somaliland's model of a three party system. Under the new

constitution, the three political parties with the most votes during

District Council elections will be registered as the only three

political parties allowed to run for parliament for a ten year

period. (Note: Municipal elections are held every 5 years. The ten

year timeframe represents two municipal election cycles. End Note.)

The new constitution disallows parties based on clan and attempts to

transcend narrow clan alliance by requiring political parties have

branches in all regions of Puntland.

 

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Executive Attempting to Consolidate Greater Control

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5. (SBU) January presidential election victor Abdirahman Farole and

his new cabinet redrafted the constitution and vested more control

in the hands of the executive, a move that will most likely continue

to be debated and contentious in Puntland, despite the June 29

parliamentary approval of the draft. The new constitution makes it

easier for President Farole to remove members of the judiciary and

makes impeachment of the president more difficult. An Interpeace

advisor to Farole told us his organization intends to reopen these

issues with the President, despite the parliamentary approval of the

constitution, as well as advise the President on the next steps of

ratification and the creation of an electoral commission. The new

constitution provisionally takes effect immediately. A date has not

yet been set for public ratification, but our contacts tell us it

will be sometime in 2010.

 

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NAIROBI 00001474 002 OF 002

 

 

Towards Greater Autonomy

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6. (SBU) In a clear sign of edging toward Greater autonomy, under

the new constitution, Puntland will modify its name from "Puntland

Regional Government" to "the Puntland State of Somalia."

Negotiations with Mogadishu would determine what powers the Puntland

government would cede to the Somalia federal government. Until then

Puntland would operate independently. (Note: Puntland's perceived

right to control its own natural resource is a continual source of

tension between Puntland and southern Somalia. Our contacts tell us

drafters of the constitution wanted stronger and more specific

language stating Puntland's demands in this area, but finally agreed

on more flexible language after advice from constitutional advisors.

End note.) The constitution states the Puntland government will

reconsider its federal arrangement with Somalia if the Somali people

fail to agree on a federal system and instability in southern

Somalia continues to prevail.] Under such circumstances, the Puntland

government reserves the right to seek a two-thirds vote for

secession in parliament which would then be put to public

referendum. (Note: Our contacts tell us that, while Puntlanders

advocate for strong Puntland autonomy, secession would not be widely

popular among Puntlanders due to cross-cutting clan and business

ties with southern Somalia. End Note.)

 

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Comment

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7. (SBU) We assess the new constitution is potentially a step toward

long-term political reforms. However, it is also very likely Farole

will attempt to manipulate the move to national elections and a

three-party party system to seize Greater executive control and

sideline would-be subclan opponents. Puntland's delicate political

balance is threatened by intra-*****/***** tensions, with Farole's

********* subclan widely perceived as increasingly hegemonic. There

is not yet a date for popular ratification of the constitution and

little to no movement on either electoral commission or voter

registration processes. Vesting Greater control in the executive or

a potential call for secession would probably be widely unpopular

among Puntlanders and, taken together, could roil Puntland's

political waters.

[Dr_Osman]

Puntland can declare seccession its in the constitution if it meets the following conditions;

 

1. Federalism is Rejected in Somalia

2. Insecurity continues to prevail in Mogadishu

3. After securing 2/3 vote from parliament

4. Finally Public Referendum

 

But I think thats a back up sort of thing like in-case another ina salad comes with national unity governmnt based from hamar for hamar only!!! After which Puntland will go to parliament and secure 2/3 vote for seccession,if it successful put forward a referendum and secede from Somalia. Even though its not popular with citizens due to clan and business ties in somalia.

 

Farole for the first time made seccession a viable policy in puntland by law it never was like that before it was always we will wait for somalia to come!!! farole changed it big time and pretty much said if hamar doesnt gets it act together we wont wait no longer!!!

[Carafaat]

Do Dr. Osman would you want Puntland to seccesede?

[Somalia]

OdaySomali;767662 wrote:

Somalia and Dr. Osman have remarkably similar characters. weird :confused:

I was also similar to Knight of Wisdom I was told.. What is the similarity?

[OdaySomali]

Somalia;767691 wrote:

I was also similar to Knight of Wisdom I was told.. What is the similarity?

that too. All three of you are spirited and [very] impulsive.

[Freedom]

The all the same people.