Puntland Rejects 4.5 The Conference Scheduled End Date Delayed

[Dr_Osman]

Puntland oo diidey nidaamka 4.5

 

23 Dec 23, 2011 - 10:17:53 AM

 

Shirka Wadatashiga Somaallida oo ka socday labadii maalmood ee la soo dhaafey Jaamacada PSU Garowe ayaa waxa qorshuhu ahaa in lasoo gabagabeeyo maanta 23,Dec,2011,balse suurtagal ma noqon arintaasi,waxana socday muddo ka badan 6-saacadood doodo iyo kulamo ay lahaayeen madaxda DF Somalia ,Puntland ,Galmudug ,Ahlu Sunna iyo ergayga Qaramada Midoobey u qaabilsan Somalia.

 

Sidoo kale waxaa doodaha qayb ka ahaa ergadii loo xilsaarey in ay ka soo shaqeeyaan ajandaha shirka oo shalay ilaa maanta kulamo alabaabadu u xiranyihiin lahaa.waxana ujeedku ahaa sidii aragti mideysan looga gaari lahaa qodobada kamadanbeysta ah ee lagu soo saarayo warsaxaafadeedka shirka dhamaadkiisa.

 

Qaabka loo soo xulayo mudanayaasha Baarlamaanka Somalia ayaa ahaa qodobka ugu muhiimsan oo doodu ka taagnayd maanta iyadoo ay jireen aragtiyo kala duwan oo laga qabay arintaasi.

 

Ilo wareedyo lagu kalsoonyahay oo shirka ka qaybgashey ayaa Garowe Online u xaqiijisey in Puntland soo jeedisey soo xulida mudanayaasha Baarlamaanka Somalia in lagu soo doorto qaab gobol ah ama degmo,waana arinta dooda badan maanta dhalisey.

 

Dhanka kale waxay iluhu sheegayaan in madaxda sare ee DF Somalia qaar ay arintaasi ka biyo diideen iyagoo ku adkeystey in xulida mudanyaasha lagu saleeyo qaabka 4.5 oo qabaa’ilada Soomalida ku dhisan ayna ku yimaadeen xildhibaanada haatan jooga.

 

Galbta ayaa la filayey in go’aaamo ka soo baxaan dhamaadka shirka waxana uu dib u dhacey maalinimada beri ah,iyadoona caawa leeyihiin kulamo gaar gaar ah madaxda iyo ergada shirka ka qaybglaysa taasi oo looga gun leeyahay in arintu isugu soo biyo shubato hal meel.

 

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[Dr_Osman]

 

Maxamed Farole maxa ku geliyay shirka

[Che -Guevara]

Good on them if they reject this unholy arrangement,

[Qandalawi]

This 4.5 Formula is crab and should be stopped here, no more 4.5, waa xaaraam dad others ay ubaxsheen lagu bahdilaayo.

[Abtigiis]

wayna kaa hadaba! Pirates as spoilers, as usual.

 

Their rejection of the 4.5 is not to benefit the 0.5 clan. It is to usurp disproportinate political representation.

 

The 4.5 is not good but to amend it is not to open a pandora's box with this lame 'districts' business but to elevate it to 5 and allowing the minorities togather as one unit.

 

There is hardly any other formula that will pass without bringing issues far harder to solve than the ones the 4.5 has resulted in.

[Somalina]

I agree that 5.0 is better than 4.5.

[Jiiroow Bakaal]

Faroole Gool cajiib ah ayuu ka dhaliyey reer Mogadishu laakin ma mareesaa waaye.

 

Reer Bay iyo Bakool oo 4.5 ku helay 60 kursi fikrdey ahaan ay ku badan tahay ma ogalaan doonaan in

ay laba gobol bes ka soo galaan

 

Reer Galmudug Ximan iyo Xeeb Somaliya 18 ka gobol hal gobol ay keligood degaan ma jirto ma mareysaa iyagana?

 

ONLFta koonfur Iyo Reer Gedo taloow yaa Jubbooyinka ka soo galayaa taasna waa xurguf hor leh?

 

2012 IYO DAGAALKI GOBOLAYSIGA

 

BY: JIIROOW AW BAKAAL

[Qandalawi]

Poor A&T thinks we are the ONLF. Adeer whether you use the 4.5 or any other system the Puntites will always have a lion share in anything Somali. That's a god given right, the 4.5 formula gave us the largest number of MP's any Somali sub sub clan had ever received, the most ministerial posst and higher leadership positions more than any other sub sub clan since Abdiqasim's TNG (which is when the 4.5 thing was introduced) - that's if you talk clan politics. However, deep down I and you know that clan power share 4.5 politics is ridiculous and bad for Somalia bad for unity and bad for selecting people simply because they are from certain tribe. Jaahiliin ayaa Barlamanka isugu tagay for the simple purpose of 4.5, dad ayaa laxaqiray for 4.5, qabiil isu tirsi waligeed waa halagu jiro for keeping 4.5.

 

Waxaas waa talo xun and Puntland should be against it. Also this is contradictory to Puntland's bottom up regional and federal political approach, everyone should be on the table based on the efforts and energy he puts in getting his region, district, tuulo in order instead of being from Reer hebel. I have more respect for a man like Tiiceey who makes an effort to fix Cadaado and his Ximan and Xeeb than the hundredreds of handpicked, qat-chewing, illiterate and bad mannered Somali MPs. He and such men deserve support and a power share deal and not to reward incompetent with this garbage 4.5 deal.

[Dr_Osman]

Qandalawi well said and well put. Except for the part of Puntite sounds gay bro drop it. We are Puntians

[Qandalawi]

^Lol @ Puntians, Adeer chill and don't be a moll.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Replace 4.5 with what exactly the 4.5 worked the past 9 years i don't see any other alternative when it comes to a power sharing perhaps make it 5.0 so it would be a more friendly formula towards the Minority Clans in Somalia.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Shaqsiyaal daneysi wato waaye, oo awooda sare ku jiraan rabo had iyo jeer in the name of maamul goboleed. It is not working and it won't work because maamul goboleedyo maba dhisno, mana dhismi doonto. If it goes into their way, maamul goboleed magac u yaal badan ayaa koow sii bilaabanaayo, and they will want their share of the pie. And that would make baarlamaanka to consist more than 1,000 xildhibaano because too many magac u yaal maamul goboleed would want inay soo magacaabaan xildhibaanadooda.

 

How will it be allocated without census? Will a large gobol with less population receive more allocation than a small gobol with more people? Simply, another reason it won't work.

 

It would have been great if they rejected the flawed 4.5 in the name of principle, which most sane Soomaalis agree. Laakiin dano gaar ah ayaa looga soo horjeedaa, and not in principle. Qof walba oo wax arki karo ayaa arka taas.

[Qandalawi]

Certain people just don't make sense. Why would Puntland be against this formula for any reason other than noble and whats good for Somalia knowing that keeping the system will not affect them the least bit.

 

Abandoning this Formula or keeping it means the same to Faroole. That's a fact so lets look at the bigger picture. if Somalis think this Formula is bad why shouldn't they oppose it regardless of Puntland's position or its supposed 'insincerity'.

[Dr_Osman]

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;767177 wrote:

Shaqsiyaal daneysi wato waaye, oo awooda sare ku jiraan rabo had iyo jeer in the name of maamul goboleed. It is not working and it won't work because maamul goboleedyo maba dhisno, mana dhismi doonto. If it goes into their way, maamul goboleed magac u yaal badan ayaa koow sii bilaabanaayo, and they will want their share of the pie. And that would make baarlamaanka to consist more than 1,000 xildhibaano because too many magac u yaal maamul goboleed would want inay soo magacaabaan xildhibaanadooda.

 

How will it be allocated without census? Will a large gobol with less population receive more allocation than a small gobol with more people? Simply, another reason it won't work.

 

It would have been great if they rejected the flawed 4.5 in the name of principle, which most sane Soomaalis agree. Laakiin dano gaar ah ayaa looga soo horjeedaa, and not in principle. Qof walba oo wax arki karo ayaa arka taas.

I hope your region doesnt elect you to represent them in politics because you would seriously embarass them. In this high level intelligent people seminar you are coming with kindergarden stuff that will make everyone wonder where you got your education from!!!

 

First of all America is divided upon constituencies. An MP who represents Dallas Texas is no different to an MP who represents new york. So your argument on size is flawed just with the basics of how a parliament works based on constituency not size. This is the system Puntland is calling for. Whats the issue? Are you against democracy because if that's the case then you should be on shabab side?

 

Secondly your fixation with size does work when it comes to voting because the majority rules. If you believe your region and people are very big then you wouldn't have an issue with this because Puntland surely doesn't!!!

 

Lastly but not least the argument of cities size has been refuted many times and for you to come on SOL with it is quite sad. Somali populations are only 20% urban the bulk majority are decided in the bush not the cities. Just like the bulk of armies in somalia is not decided in the active but on the reserves they can call upon in the bush. Even if we were to use that my city is bigger then yours via google satellite that still doesn't say anything because athens is 700k population, london is 15 million and athens looks four times larger via satellite. Urban sprawl doesn't prove nothing!!!

 

So my friend I hope you dont represent your region in Somalia politics cause you wont be doing them much favors

[Somalia]

Qandalawi;767172 wrote:

Poor A&T thinks we are the ONLF. Adeer whether you use the 4.5 or any other system the Puntites will always have a lion share in anything Somali. That's a god given right, the 4.5 formula gave us the largest number of MP's any Somali sub sub clan had ever received, the most ministerial posst and higher leadership positions more than any other sub sub clan since Abdiqasim's TNG (which is when the 4.5 thing was introduced) - that's if you talk clan politics. However, deep down I and you know that clan power share 4.5 politics is ridiculous and bad for Somalia bad for unity and bad for selecting people simply because they are from certain tribe. Jaahiliin ayaa Barlamanka isugu tagay for the simple purpose of 4.5, dad ayaa laxaqiray for 4.5, qabiil isu tirsi waligeed waa halagu jiro for keeping 4.5.

 

Waxaas waa talo xun and Puntland should be against it. Also this is contradictory to Puntland's bottom up regional and federal political approach, everyone should be on the table based on the efforts and energy he puts in getting his region, district, tuulo in order instead of being from Reer hebel. I have more respect for a man like Tiiceey who makes an effort to fix Cadaado and his Ximan and Xeeb than the hundredreds of handpicked, qat-chewing, illiterate and bad mannered Somali MPs. He and such men deserve support and a power share deal and not to reward incompetent with this garbage 4.5 deal.

Well said