NSUM - Mahiga must Go!

[A_Khadar]

Mintid Farayar;763860 wrote:

AKhadar,

 

I brought up clan?? Wasn't it your

'cousin'

in the preceding post referring to

'clan glory days'

which you so quickly agreed with. I, simply, pointed out the recent history of

where

that's led some from the 'NSUM' wing. If that's sticky acid from our stomachs, then we have grossly differing perceptions of reality. Yet, my question, stands : The whole world knows what Somaliland is offering, limited as it might be in resources. What's the alternative you're suggesting for your community?...

Listen mate, I don't know what you're brought up and don't make this too personal. We are talking about NSUM(SSC) vs s/l as entity or clan. You pointed out me falling for a clan glory stuff when I agreed the points Xiin made, and if anyone or entity worships a clan, your entity/clan suffers the most. What I agree with Xiin is needless to bring back 1920s colonial borders, but again you are looking everything with clan lens.

 

The better part of your urgement is when you asked to bring an alternative for my community since I don't agree with the succession..

[xiinfaniin]

A Khadar, I forgot to add this for the consumption of the larger readership

 

In avoidance of confusion, Separatist is a one-clan-project. Other clans that do not belong to the separatist block are effectively resisting Somaliland's expansion toward the east (and in the west as it is becoming clear by the day ). It must be borne in mid, that the genesis of separatism lies in historical grievance partly stemming from a perception of clan domination of the Laascaano folks. Mintid Farayare's romantic version of the Hargeysa admin and Jeffersonian democracy he is depicting here is therefore unfounded on the actual reality on the ground. His complaints about clans being mobilizing and his online peace gestures are increasingly contradicted by the policies pursued by his clan.

 

SSC is natural outcome of a clan project that went rouge on its neighbor. There is a reason why Saado Ali is the most hated figure in the Diaspora separatists. It is because her artistic expressions are destroying the myths our separatists in the north constructed.

 

EDIT:

 

The alternative is simple in concept but not necessarily easy to achieve. I would summarize in the following 1) Separatist need to stop dreaming of a different state, 2) Reconciliation among Somalia's political stakeholders, 3) Establishment of all inclusive government for Somalia.

[Mintid Farayar]

A_Khadar;763868 wrote:

Listen mate, I don't know what you're brought up and don't make this too personal. We are talking about NSUM(SSC) vs s/l as entity or clan. You pointed out me falling for a clan glory stuff when I agreed the points Xiin made, and if anyone or entity worships a clan, your entity/clan suffers the most. What I agree with Xiin is needless to bring back 1920s colonial borders, but again you are looking everything with clan lens.

 

The better part of your urgement is when you asked to bring an alternative for my community since I don't agree with the succession..

AKhadar,

 

Rather than getting stuck at an impasse where we both accuse each other of clannist leanings, let's move on to possible solutions while limiting the rancor. So what do you propose as the alternative to Somaliland for your community? Kindly, confine yourself to the possible under current circumstances.

[Liibaan]

SNM/ Somaliland: One-Clan Secessionist Faction

 

 

All Doors are slammed on “Somaliland’s” Secessionist Faces

By Mohamed F. Yabarag

November 30, 2011

Twenty long years have elapsed since the one-clan secessionist state called “Somaliland” was declared unilaterally in Burao in 1991 under the blazing guns of the then victorious SNM fighters, following the collapse of the Somali state led by the late Mohamed Siyad Barre. The real objective behind the creation of this phantom state that would never see light of day was to establish primarily a country dominated politically, economically and socially by one clan, the clan that supported SNM through thick and thin.

 

The proponents of this mirage state have never anticipated the consequences of their rather unfortunate decision as they never gave a proper thought to the reactions of unionist clans in the region, or the consequences such a decision may have on the rest of Somalis. Northern Somalia is home to ********** and *********** in the east, **** the SNM Clan in the Centre, ********** and Issa in the West and several other numerically smaller clans scattered all over the region. Irrespective of the reactions of regional and international communities, it was always going to be difficult for the SNM clan to install their own fiefdom in the midst of formidable strong unionist clans who always banked on the support of other Somali clans in central and southern Somalia to counter such a state.

Dr. Mohamed Omer

Dr. Mohamed Abdillahi Omar, the foreign

minister of Somaliland

International recognition hit dead-end

 

In a recent interview with Somalilandpress.com, Dr. Mohamed Abdillahi Omar, the foreign minister and the former lecturer of Brunel University in London, admitted rather diplomatically that the secessionist’s endeavor to gain the much-sought after international recognition had hit difficulties. In other words, it is dead in the water. Without exactly saying the word dead, he mentioned his initially hyped trip to China alongside with Ahmed Silanyo in which tripartite trade deals between China, Ethiopia and “Somaliland” were supposed to be signed had ended in failure for reasons Dr. Omar deliberately avoided to explain but believed to be related to the enclave’s status in the international community. The painful fact is that “Somaliland” cannot enter deals with the outside world because, as far as international community is concerned, they don’t exist. The international community, including regional bodies such as IGAD and Arab league, doesn’t recognize “Somaliland” as a legitimate state. They recognize the TFG of Sheikh Sharif Ahmed as the sole and legitimate government of Somalia.

 

In addition to Dr. Omar’s candid admission, anyone who observed Ahmed Silanyo’s statements during his recent trip to London, Addis Ababa and Djibouti, together with his body language will tell that the most veteran politician in the enclave, who had seen better days in Somalia during a spell of eight years as being a prominent economics minister, may finally be giving up this unattainable dream that exhausted the enclave’s meager resources. Unlike Riyaale, who used to promise the earth as far as international recognition is concerned every time he returned home from personal trips to abroad, often hyped as official trips by “Somaliland” officials, the incumbent Ahmed Silanyo is at least honest enough to show his frustration and share his lack of progress with the public in the attainment of international recognition.

 

His recent after-midnight interview with the “Somaliland” press in which he talked, among other things, the lack of progress in the hunt of international acceptance is another indication that things are not getting better for the secessionists. In fact, things are getting from bad to worse. Despite privately endorsing “Somaliland”, it is an open secret that Ethiopia had never wanted to see another Somali state, albeit “Somaliland”, breathing on its neck, although politicians in Addis are happy to see the continuation of the status quo in the Somali peninsula as it suits them pretty well. Worst of all, Ethiopia has smelled a rat in Ahmed Silanyo’s cabinet and this made things even more complicated than they were under Rayaale’s regime. Zenawi, who was in good terms with Rayaale’s government, sees certain prominent ministers of Ahmed Silanyo’s government, among them Mohamed Hashi Elmi and the the now departed Dr. Gaboose, as staunch supporters of Somaliweyn (greater Somalia), hence a threat to the Ethiopian sovereignty. Ethiopia, believed to be an honest friend of “Somaliland” rather mistakenly, may have finally pulled the brakes on the secessionist’s runaway train.

SSC and Awdalstate factor

Baroness Lynda Chalker

Baroness Lynda Chalker

 

The communities of Sool, Sanaag and Cayn as well as Makhir have always detested the idea of one-clan state being erected in their backyard and declared their intention from the get go that they would not entertain such a notion. But the secessionists, having amassed weapons and believed that nobody can withstand with their might, had gone alone with it anyway and formed an administration called “Somaliland” in the former British Somali Protectorate in Northern Somalia.

 

At the height of secession in the early nineties, “Somaliland” supporters in the Diaspora community in the UK were reportedly told by the former British Secretary of State for Overseas Development, Lynda Chalker (now Baroness chalker of Wallassy), that for “Somaliland” project to stand any chance of succeeding, they [secessionists] should bring other northern clans onboard the secession bandwagon, a mammoth task that was always going to be difficult to undertake. Believing that everyone was on their side, the secessionist flatly rejected such a suggestion. So long as SNM had the upper hand militarily, they couldn’t care the feelings of unionist clans. This had created resentment among unionist communities in SSC, Makhir and Awdal.

 

Then as expected came Awdal State in March 2011, a Diaspora-inspired regional administration that threw the gauntlet to Hargeisa-based authority. Although secessionists have taken Awdalities for granted for reasons only known to them unlike SSC, a simmering resentment was always brewing in the residents of these two regions, particularly among the Diaspora community toward the secession. Awdal and Salel regions are now buzzing with the news that, at long last, an administration of their own had finally arrived, even though still at its infancy. With both SSC and Awdal State, not to mention Makhir State, challenging the SNM hegemony on former British Somaliland territories, the secession movement that could not manage a single support from the international community in their favor over a period of twenty years is coming to a grinding halt. All diplomatic doors are slammed on their face as far as international recognition is concerned.

TFG and Mogadishu factor

 

After a long and bloody civil war that has decimated more than half of its population, Mogadishu, the war-ravaged capital of Somalia, is finally emerging from its miserable past. A normal semblance of life is springing up everywhere in the city, not to mention people going out and doing their day-to-day normal chores without looking over their shoulders. Even a Turkish man (BBC report) was spotted cycling in one of the Mogadishu streets as recently as this week, a thing that was unthinkable only a few months ago. Foreign countries are re-opening their missions. The Al-Shabaab terrorist group, which brought death and destruction to the residents of Mogadishu, is on the wane although they can still pose a threat to certain areas of the city and its environs. For a large number of northern Somalia population, this is the news they longed for many years. Should peace continue to prevail in Mogadishu (and it is most likely this time round), there is no reason why many northerners would not contemplate going back to their properties in Mogadishu aka Xamar and re-start a new life. A similar situation occurred during the short spell the Islamic Courts Union (ICU) restored law and order in Mogadishu where almost half of Burao’s residents were believed to be on their toes.

[Liibaan]

The current situation in Mogadishu will encourage business communities in Hargeisa, Burao, Las Anod, Borama, Erigavo and others major cities and towns in the northern Somalia to relocate their business, or at least partially, to Mogadishu, largely due its higher population together with the fact that Mogadishu is the capital of internationally-recognized Somalia. Consequently, it will have a knockdown effect on the population of Hargiesa, the current capital of the secessionists. The secessionist may think this a fantasy, but believe me you things are turning good for Somalia in general and Mogadishu in particular, and every secessionist doubting this fact is living a cloud in cuckoo land.

 

In conclusion, if the recent events taking place in “Somaliland” are to be considered very carefully, the wheels are certainly coming off the secessionist campaign. Nothing is going in their way despite using all sorts of tactics, including hiring foreign mercenaries. Exhaustion and fatigue is showing on the faces of all the major shakers and movers of “Somaliland” project, including the top two – Ahmed Silanyo and Dr. Omar. If tenacity and hard work alone can bring international recognition, which was abundant in the secessionist camp, the one-clan state of “Somaliland” would have been celebrated in Hargeisa and Burao many years ago.

 

“Somaliland” politicians had left no stone unturned as far as international recognition is concerned, but what they forgot to understand is the fact that the issue of secession is simply untenable. Nobody is going to buy it, especially when there is no concrete reason for secession is evident. Colonel Ojukwu, who just passed away this week in London after a long illness, tried it before and failed when he had declared a secessionist state called Biafra in Nigeria in 1967. This claimed the lives of more than one million people and ended in failure. After more than decades in the wilderness, colonel Ojukwu redeemed himself and ran for the office of presidency of Nigeria in the 2000s. I hope the current politicians of “Somaliland” will redeem themselves and initiate a constructive dialogue with their counterparts in Mogadishu for the sake of their people as well as for the good of Somali nation as a whole.

 

Mohamed F Yabarag

WardheerNews Contributor

E-Mail: Myabarag@yahoo.co.uk

[Liibaan]

December 6, 2011

The Declaration of Awdal State Rattled the SNM Regime

 

Let me introduce myself; my name is Mahamed Abdi Douksieh the newly appointed Press Secretary of Awdal State by the president his Excellency Rashid Aw Nur Hersi… I truly believe in the mission and vision of the Awdal State and all that it stands for. I hope and looking forward in working with the Somali media in general and that of Awdal in particular.

 

I have a new announcement to make today regarding the current political, and social events unfolding in Awdal region as we speak. The administration of Awdal state is deeply troubled by the naked intervention of SNM. Before I indulge myself deeply to the motives of SNM, let me briefly talk about the Awdal State. Unlike the Hargeisa regime, Awdal stands for peace and unity for all Somalis where ever they are. Awdal state is created to voice the grievance of the Awdal people.

 

The Hargeisa regime is currently engaged and eagerly seeking to seize the ancestral farmland and the fishing lanes of the Gadabursi people (already there are a large tract of land under the jurisdiction of SNM now), and they are still carrying periodic attack on the defenseless nomads and farmers.

 

Awdal state is increasingly aware that the Hargeisa regime is working hard to re-visit and spark a war and put a wedge between the two people of Awdal and Djibouti people , who share cultural and economic ties that is entrenched in the history of both people.

 

It’s very crucial for Awdal State to stop this blatant aggression of SNM, though it’s in it’s early stage of development Awdal state is sending an unambiguous message that it will not tolerate and stand for this.

Mohamed Abdi Douksieh

[Liibaan]

December 5, 2011

Awdalstate Condemns SNM’s Barbaric Attack of Awdalstate Innocent Civilians

 

In the early morning hours of December 5, 2011 about 30 members of SNM ( Somali National Movement a.k.a Somaliland ) militia clad in army fatigues and armed with guns and axes, attacked civilian residents of SEMAAL village of Awdalstate. The perpetrators shot, butchered and mutilated a father by the name of Dayib Maal , his teenage son and another man with the nickname Af-madhan-diid. some residents of Semaal were also hurt, while others were taken hostage at gunpoint. All the victims of this heinuous attack were law-abiding, harmless and unarmed citizens of Awdalstate at their dwellings.

 

First and foremost, the Awdalstate Leadership is extending its heartfelt condolence to the families of the victims. Their loss is a loss for Awdalstate and all peace-loving Somalis.

 

Secondly, Awdalstate condemns the SNM administration at Hargeisa of this cowardly and barbaric attack of civilians and its continuous terrorism and subjugation of Awdalstate peoples.

 

For twenty years this immoral and dysfunctional SNM administration at Hargeisa has been playing and testing every little trick in the game to entice and convince the International Community to win a recognition of Isaaqland ( the narrow triangulalar barren land between the towns of Berbera, Burao and Hargeisa ). The other communities of the former Somaliland British Protectorate like Awdalstate to the West, and Sool, Sanag and Cayn to the East could not be bought into this hollow and mindless scheme. They opted for Somali unity.

 

Awdalstate of Somalia wants the whole peace-loving countries of the World ( Transitional Federal Government of Somalia, African Union, Arab League, Organization of Islamic Countries and the United Nations ) to take note of the terrorism , subjugation and harsh treatment the SNM administration is contantly meting out at the defenceless peoples of Awdalstate, and hence we are requesting that the head of the SNM administration Ahmed Mohamed Mohamud “Siranyo” and the head of the Kulmiye Party Muse Bihi be brought before the International Criminal Court for masterminding the abovementioned barbaric attack and a similar one in which their militia beheaded four Awdalstate men with no redress upto now.

Hassan H. Rirash

 

Awdalstate Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation Minister

[Mintid Farayar]

Just when the discussion was getting somewhere - here comes another one of the fanatics to bombard us with 'Duke-like' cut&paste.

 

Liibaan, saaxiib, since you don't seem to have your own independent ideas to present, could you sit this one out? Otherwise, attempt to at least state what you believe, what you're for, what you're against - without dumping millions of jingoistic articles written by others on us.

Mahadsanid.

[Liibaan]

Mintid Farayar, you are another fanatic, actually you are worse than Xaji, JB, Burahadeer, and Duke. How do you expect people to respect your one-clan secessionist Somaliland Faction (snm 2.0)? When you are against other Somali regions? anti-SSC State, anti-NSUM, anti-Awdal State, anti-Puntland, etc

 

snm Clan-secessionists must understand If Somalia is Divisible, so is the former British Somali Colony.

[Freedom]

^^^ Get your hate filled self out of here. Your hate for my clan and disguesting no wonder we i fighting to escape from people that feel the way you do.

[Mintid Farayar]

'Liibaan';763895 wrote:

Mintid Farayar, you are another fanatic, actually you are worse than Xaji, JB, Burahadeer, and Duke. How do you expect people to respect your one-clan secessionist Somaliland Faction (snm 2.0)? When you are against other Somali regions? anti-SSC State, anti-NSUM, anti-Awdal State, anti-Puntland, etc

 

snm Clan-secessionists must understand If Somalia is Divisible, so is the former British Somali Colony.

 

Liibaan,

 

I apologize. Fanatic is too strong a word to use. Xaal qaado. I realize you're passionate about this topic and believe (mistakenly in my opinion) that your kin are being oppressed. If your viewpoint is true, then Somaliland is in the wrong.

 

But I give 'your kin' far more credit than you do. I believe if a size-able majority did not support Somaliland in the Las Anod/Sool area, Somaliland would not be able to stay in the area longer than a few days. Somalis are a proud people currently armed to the teeth (including Sool inhabitants).

 

So, in closing, either my impression or yours of the current Sool situation is wrong. The difference is that you view your kin as helplessly under subjugation while I believe the majority living in the area have thrown their support to Somaliland (-remember I'm not including the removed, radicalized diaspora).

[Liibaan]

Freedom;763896 wrote:

^^^ Get your hate filled self out of here. Your hate for my clan and disguesting no wonder we i fighting to escape from people that feel the way you do.

 

This is Somalia Online, you have to get out of here, it is you and your fellow clan secessionists who have so much hatred for Sool, Sanaag, Cayn, Maakhir, and Awdal Clans in particular, and all somalis in general.

 

The feeling is mutual, we don't want to share a country with a hater like you mr. f

[Liibaan]

Mintid Farayar;763900 wrote:

Liibaan,

 

I apologize. Fanatic is too strong a word to use. Xaal qaado. I realize you're passionate about this topic and believe (mistakenly in my opinion) that your kin are being oppressed. If your viewpoint is true, then Somaliland is in the wrong.

 

But I give 'your kin' far more credit than you do. I believe if a size-able majority did not support Somaliland in the Las Anod/Sool area, Somaliland would not be able to stay in the area longer than a few days. Somalis are a proud people currently armed to the teeth (including Sool inhabitants).

 

So, in closing, either my impression or yours of the current Sool situation is wrong. The difference is that you view your kin as helplessly under subjugation while I believe the majority living in the area have thrown their support to Somaliland (-remember I'm not including the removed, radicalized diaspora).

Lets agree to disagree respectfully, I know that most secessionists from northwest like yourself support Somaliland's occupation of SSC Region., because they believe mistakenly Somaliland cannot get recognition without Awdal, Maakhir, and SSC Region.

 

 

SSC Region enjoyed relative peace over the last 30years when compared with other regions of Somalia, but recently in 2007, the somali civil war reached SSC Region, when Somaliland Clan Militia invaded Las Anod, and forced thousands of innocent local population to leave their homes.

 

 

True the majority of the local SSC people living inside the SSC Region don't want to be part of Somaliland, The local people are against Somaliland militia's illegal occupation of some parts of SSC Region.

 

I believe my SSC People can easily liberate their region from Somaliland militia to bring an end to the 4 year old occupation, very soon after Khaatumo II Conference Insha Allah. Like other somalis, SSC People are armed to teeth. The only difference is other somali clans/regions have warlords and organized clan militia (Example Somaliland, Puntland, and Galmudug).

 

Currently, SSC Autonomous Regional State entered late into the game, but it its never too late. like other Somali clans/region SSC People want to have their own Rigional State and local Army to defend their land.

 

 

SSC People have to options, first SSC People need to convince Somaliland militia to leave SSC Region peacefully, or SSC people will organize strong local SSC Militia to force Somaliland occupiers return to their regions and homes.

 

Its a well known fact that in 1981 in Jeddah Apartment, very small radicalized diaspora or should I say few individuals in Arabian Gulf established tribal faction snm (now known as Somaliland), they planned to start civil war in Somalia, at that time when Somalia was peaceful.

 

 

Mubarak's Regime ruled Egyptian people more than 50 years, does that mean the 80 million Egyptian people supported Mubarak or they were helpless under the subjugation ????? Of course NO, Egyptian people had a dream that one day they will be free.

 

A group of Arab Youth started Arab Spring, and Arab people responded well.

[Som@li]

the secessionists are quickly running out of oxygen. Get back to ur triangle.

[A_Khadar]

Mitid, let give you a credit of that you areso far much better than any other from your lot except one guru known NG.. At least you try to avoid the usual headless chicken spin attack and counter attack on this place..

 

To go back to the solution for my community and as whole of somali people is:

 

1. Peace among Somalis, particularly neighbors. My community needs peace from your lot whether are nomads or they call themselves government. It has stop this crazy idea of closing boarders. I don't know who give the right to close this boarder and be the police of the place. That has to stop.

 

2. Let each community build itself from bottom up

3. let all somalis come together work through a common ground to live harmony and unite. It's impossible under the current situation but needs to work towards.

 

This is the simplest way to put it without too much of elaboration.