NGONGE Posted September 15, 2004 How many people that you know memorise the whole Koran off by heart? How many would instantly remember the pillars of Islam if you asked them? How many get mixed up between what is cultural and what is Islamic? How many pray? How many are good to their parents? How many encourage good deeds and discourage the bad? How many know/remember their Islamic history? How many help the needy? How many have patience? How many listen to good advice? How many give to their relatives, the poor and travellers? How many issue random fatwas? How many jealously guard Islam? How many make mistakes? How many are more knowledgeable than you? How many are less knowledgeable than you? How many are on your level? How many do you want to help? How many do you ask for help? How many are beyond help? I asked many questions and I would be very surprised if the reply to most these questions was in the affirmative. Those who know and would want to argue amongst themselves know what they’re getting themselves into, and, in most cases; they know what they’re talking about. But, how about those that don’t know and are getting confused by reading all this stuff? This is not somebody’s living room, people. This is a website on the Internet that is accessible to all. In addition to discussing “advanced†Islam and its relation to politics, life and other specific issues all the time lets not forget to go back to basics from time to time. I don’t have anything ready right now or I would have posted it. I’m hoping the brothers and sisters that usually post on this section can help me out here. Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality Check Posted September 15, 2004 Originally posted by NGONGE: How many people that you know memorise the whole Koran off by heart? I think a more important question is: How many of us understand the Koran's meaning? or at least try to. Most of us are not fluent in Arabic, and we can memorize the Koran all day but not understand what it is instructing us to do. After all, that is where the wealth of knowledge of our religion is located. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
- Femme - Posted September 15, 2004 Assalamu Alaikum. How many are good to their parents? I see so many kids ignoring their parents, talking back, yelling at them and the parents (almost always a single mother) looks scared of thier own kid and always makes excuses for them. Laillaha illalah. THe day of judgment is truly closer than we think. Elahayow noo dambi dhaaf. Ameen. Disobedience to Parents: A Major Sin It is the right of parents that their children should treat them with kindness, obedience, and honor. Devotion to parents is a natural instinct which must be strengthened by deliberate actions. The rights of the mother are stressed the more because of her suffering during pregnancy and childbirth, her suckling of the child, and her role in rearing it . In the words of Allah Ta'ala: And We have enjoined on man kindness to his parents. His mother carries him in pain and she gives birth to him in pain, and (the period) of carrying him and weaning him is thirty months....(46:15) Once a man came to the Prophet (peace be on him) and asked, 'Who is most deserving of my good companionship?' 'Your mother,' replied the Prophet (peace be on him). 'Who next?' the man asked. 'Your mother,' replied the Prophet (peace be on him). 'Who next?' he asked. 'Your mother,' replied the Prophet (peace be on him). 'Who next?' asked the man. 'Your father,' replied the Prophet.(Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) The Prophet (peace be on him) declared disobedience to parents to be a major sin, second only to ascribing partners to Allah , as has been stated in the Qur'an. Al-Bukhari and Muslim report his saying, 'Shall I not inform you about the three major sins?' Those who were present replied, 'Yes, O Messenger of Allah.' He said 'Associating partners with Allah and disobedience to parents,' and sitting up from the reclining position, he continued, 'and telling lies and false testimony; beware of it.' He also said, "Three persons shall not enter the Garden: the one who is disobedient to his parents, the pimp, and the woman who imitates men.' ' (Reported by al-Nisai, al-Bazzar on the authority of excellent transmitters, and al-Hakim) and, "Allah defers (the punishment of) all sins to the Day of Resurrection excepting disobedience to parents, for which Allah punishes the sinner in this life before his death." (Reported by al-Hakim, on the authority of sound transmitters.) Moreover, Islam emphasizes treating parents kindly, especially when they grow old. As their strength fails, they require more attention and care, and more consideration of their even more sensitive feelings. Concerning this the Qur'an says, Thy Lord hath decreed that you worship none but Him and that you be kind to parents. If one or both of them attain old age with thee, do not say a word of annoyance (Literally, "Do not say Uff! (an expression of annoyance) to them." (Trans.)) to them nor repulse them, but speak to them in gracious words and in mercy lower to them the wing of humility and say, My Lord, bestow Thy mercy othem, as they cherished me when I was little... .(17:23-24) In explaining this verse, a commentator says, " If a lesser thing than saying 'Uff!' tparents were known to Allah, He would have prohibited (even that)." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGONGE Posted September 15, 2004 ^^^^ They were rhetorical questions, saaxib. The point was made in the paragraph that followed. Still, I’ll answer them and say that for most of them the reply would be: Not that many. DA, I totally agree but those that memorise the Koran by heart are also important. The point I was trying to make (and seem to have failed in making) is that in my acquaintances, relatives and friends not many could claim to know (or remember) much of the basics of their religion. I’m assuming mine is not an exceptional case either. Damsel in Deep Shine (had to modify the name a little, sis), seems to have got the message and covered an area she personally saw a problem in. In due course, I hope to address another. Are there any from that list which you feel strongly about and would like to cover? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mutakalim Posted September 16, 2004 Such penetrating questions! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGONGE Posted September 16, 2004 ^^^ :eek: Saaxib, I had you down as many things; pretentious, fake, aloof, sensitive, stiff, misunderstood, confused, intelligent, silly, a ridiculous parody of a fraud, wise and blinkered all at the same time. But I never had you down as a cyber troll. Can’t you see the pointlessness of chasing me around like this and dangling of my shirtsleeves like a neglected three-year-old? Lets keep our little mating ritual for the other forums on this site and stay civil to each other in the Islamic one. Now, put your shield down and let’s see if my questions have managed to hit their mark. Any other comments on them? Replies would be more helpful of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
- Femme - Posted September 16, 2004 Can’t you see the pointlessness of chasing me around like this and dangling of my shirtsleeves like a neglected three-year-old? Ouch!! As DA mentioned we have to know what we are memorizing. I think that if you dont know the meaning of the quran then it is very difficult to memorize and very, very, very easy to forget. I dont know how many times I had to repeat the 3rd juus in Duqsi. That was embarassing and very difficult time. IF you know the meaning of the verses....it is like a story and you know what is coming next. Laakin..memorization alone only relies on ur __________ (i cant find the word to explain it but i think u get it). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mutakalim Posted September 17, 2004 Do you honestly feel that paranoid? Very well then. This is the last time I will address you. I did not know that you were emotionally sensitive. Ralli ahoow With Salaams PK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGONGE Posted September 17, 2004 Apology accepted. But, you don’t have to totally abandon me, saaxib. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maymuunah Posted September 18, 2004 LOL@Ngonge so you still need his remarks whether they are positive or negative huh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGONGE Posted September 19, 2004 ^^^ Well of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nur Posted March 28, 2009 Here is my attempt How many people that you know memorize the whole Koran off by heart? .....Very Few How many would instantly remember the pillars of Islam if you asked them?.......Almost All How many get mixed up between what is cultural and what is Islamic?...Non Wadaads Mostly How many pray?........Well it depends on circle of associates, ......in my case, almost all. How many are good to their parents? .....Hard to tell unless we are neighbors. How many encourage good deeds and discourage the bad?.........50/50 , just a wild guess How many know/remember their Islamic history?... Approximately 3 How many help the needy?........Less than 10 How many have patience?........ZERO How many listen to good advice? ......400 Nomads. Rational: Same ratio of viewers of this page to Politics Section, usually there are 2400 online Nomads, of which 50 are browsing Islam page while 300 are browsing Politics page ( =(50/300)* 2400) How many give to their relatives, the poor and travelers?.......Data available at Dahabshiil! How many issue random fatwas? .......ALL How many jealously guard Islam?......This is a tough one! How many make mistakes? .....Just Me, I and Myself! How many are more knowledgeable than you? .... All Quiet Nomads, plus Most who post responses. How many are less knowledgeable than you?.....In which discipline do you mean? How many are on your level? ....Questions are getting harder How many do you want to help? ...... Myself first, then everybody. How many do you ask for help? ...... ONE, Allah, but you can always send some money to my orphanage if you have excess! How many are beyond help? ....... Never gave up on a living person Nur Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
