Xinnfanin Sings for Faroole

[Som@li]

^Well said, the khawaraj must be stopped! Kenya and Ethiopia can easily be dealt with,and will not hide among Somalis.

 

Does anyone rememeber this? Where is Tarsan now? Somalis seriously miss an opportunity, and history will remember Yeey, he saw these evil khawarij and their danger ahead of many Somalis, who rejected him with shortsightedness and clannish fear.

 

Location, London

 

 

[Abtigiis]

Oodweyne is an entertainer and we have always known he is not to be seriously taken on matters pertaining to south somalia. In fact, it is strange he is opposed to the Kenya and Ethiopia invasions. Surely, it cannot be coming from wishing somalia good. Perhaps he feels this is going to end "Ina-Godane's" mission in Somalia, which is to keep it in turmoil so that Somaliland can beseech the UN and AU for recognition, by presenting the argument that the south is unlikley to find peace anytime soon. A man who breaths the baneful secession ethos is losing sleep over foreign armies attacking Somalia, arguing that such move will cause more instability in the country. Food for thought.

 

About Xinnfanin, we all know the man's otherwise remarkable intellect is undermined by incurable "infallibility syndrome". All of this talk about foreign troops attacking Somalia is just to fit the profile of a consistent man who is not someone who changes his ideas at every turn. Making up your mind about issues and standing your ground are commendable traits. They become wrong when the arguments you used to arrive at your conclusions become obsolete and you dogmatically stick to them. Xinnfanin should not take his viewpoints as cannonical, they are mere viewpoints of a mortal, and as such he should make contingencies for misjudgmenet and misreading of issues. The man is simply devoid of this self-correction mechanism. He should also know that in matters of soical science and politics, where things are more complex than right or wrong, the law of conclusive generalisations doesn't hold. There is no case law in social sciences, only examples and opinions arising from interpreting them. These opinions stand or collapse by their degree of plausibility. They do not become truisms.

 

Coming back to the Ethiopia and Kenys military incursions, what is Xinn saying? Is he opposing it simply because he thinks it is wrong (out of national pride, legality etc)? Is he saying their intention is not to finish Alshabab? Is he doubting their ability to do so? Is he saying their entry will help Alshabab (by galvanizing local support for them)? Or is he worried that the TFG and any successor government will not be truely soverign if they fall under the command of Ethiopia and Kenya?

 

All of these issues are worth separate and long discussions. If he is saying he doesn't trust the intentions of these armies with regard to Alshabab, it is a concern we share too. If he is opposing the incursions on false national sovergnity (already non-exsitent) grounds, we oppose his viewpoint. If he is saying Alshabab will get more local support because of these interventions, we disagree with his analysis. We know the majority of people in the areas so far invaded by kenya and Ethiopia are welcoming these foriegn troops to get rid of religious tyranny. If he is doubting the ability of these armies, we say they are the best bet for now given the International community is not going to support a national somali army for now (ideally this would have been the first choice for me). If he is worried about the political consequences for national soverignity of Somalia, we say we will cross that tog when we get there. Surely, Somalis can turn the Bakaara market into Taxriir square if they think their government is taking orders from other States! SO, we will fight any such bad consequences without fearing Alshabab bombs amid demonstarting crowds.

[Abtigiis]

Oodweyne;760601 wrote:

:D

 

All in all; just because

WE

all desire the end of Al-Shabaab reign of terror in Somalia (and in particularly Jubba region) does not at all mean,

Who are "we"? And do the "we" really all desire the end of Alshabab? For what ends?

 

This magnitude you call "we" is not a unitary entity, but a big jungle where all kinds of animals inhabit. You have chamelons, you have snakes, you have rats, you have predators and the prey. And I am sure you recognize that when a menacing lion runs at 'WE', we don't all run into the same direction, nor do we feel the same level of threat. While most of the prey are running for dear life, you can always expect little predators (foxes, haramcad, guduudane) to run side by side with the prey, pretending they are equally looking for a place of hiding, when infact preying on the vulnerable animals in flight. I am sure you do know there are instances where we run with the hares while at the same time hunt with the hounds. And here, my dear village philospher, we have a very clear and present case of such duplicity.

 

Far more useful for Somalia than your crocordile tears and spittle is if you could talk sense into the heads of your feeble kins who want to build a case for secession not on legality but on the basis of the misery in the south. What is important is also that we liberate Somalia from Alshabab, not who rules which region. In any case, Somalia's next rulers whether at the Federal level or at the regions will come from one or the other clan, and if the one from teh Jubbas happens to be from my Tolka, it is a mere footnote, it can be more than that. Especially when we know with the return of law and order, who rules where will depend on the decisions of the masses who will vote in a free and fair elections.

 

So, what you are doing here revives the established Somali maxim "baadida nin baa kula daydaya daala kaa badane, oo aan haddan doonahayn inaad heeshaa daa'in abidkaaye". Much worse than your attempt to hoodwink some people into believing you are greiving for Somalia is your impudence when caught. Instead of breaking your neck in shame and pleading for mercy, you are staring at the eyes of those who caught you pilfering their pockets without any fear, rather tyring to bully them to let you go with some of the loot. This may have worked for the pick-pockets of Hargeisa who victimize my kins in "Doqon-mawaaye", It is not going to wash here in SOL.

[xiinfaniin]

NGONGE;760471 wrote:

In all honesty, even Netanyahu is a better option than Al Shabab, adeer. Alas, your false (or is it naive?) nationalsim is blinding you to that fact.

 

The issue here is about the future of a nation, not the next couple of months or years. You, Che and all the nationalists have proven (time and again) your inability to grasp or understand the Somali situation and players. You banged your drums for the Courts when all the ctourts were was a bunch of adminstrating secretries that had no grip on politics. You (Xiin) regaled us with your defunct Caravan when every sane person tried to show you how futile that idea was. You fell in love with the rascal that is Sheikh Sharif and attacked the real politician that was Abdullahi Yusuf. And what do you do everytime your new dawn proves false? You say "we were wrong"..dee ila guurmaad wrong noqonaysaan? Dee guurmaad hordada ka kacaysaan? Guurmaad xamaasadan madhan iska daayaysaan oo practical politics baran doontan?

 

Al Shabab are not SL or PL. You can not brush them aside and claim to prefer them to outside invaders. For whilset an invader can be fought against, rebuffed and sent away; the Shabab menace is here to stay and is never going away on its own. Al Shabab yaa Xiin are the ones that strengthened the resolve of Uganda. They are the ones that will make Kenya keep up her assult on Somalia and they are also the group that will give Ethiopia to pretext to carry on invading Somalia.

 

This is how it stands today. The hopeless TFG supports the fight against Al Shabab because, like everyone else (from Siilaanyo all the way to Sharif) know that this is the one group that does not negotiate, compromise or sit back happily counting its loot. They know that Al Shabab's entire plan and goal is to continue fighting and drag as many sides as possible into this so called Jihad of theirs.

 

Now if you're genuine in your wish to see a peaceful, progressive and (hopefully one day) independent Somalia you will put all your support with those attempting to get rid of Al Shabab (passing nationalism, empty pride and hopeless egos can be put on standby for the time being). If you want to harvest the beautiful rose that is Somalia, you must withstand the temporary pricks of the Kenyan, Ugandan & Ethiopian thorns (war xita Isreal o yeedh).

 

ANYTHING BUT AL SHABAB yaa naas. Wax fahma dee.

Adeer despite your passionate speech, your naivety clearly shows on. You are even resorting outright lies, presenting a united face of Somalia's political stakeholders against alshabaab (from Siilaanyo to Sharif , you say ). And for a man who believes Somaliland is a different country than Somalia, Dismembered Somalia is preferable political outcome than a united one, one understands your narrow frame of reference when it comes to issues relating to Somalia. Go play the SNM bands for that is what you've become good at lately.

 

Again, although we desire Somalia to revive again, we reject the false hope and the newly found faith in Ethiopian and Kenyan armies solving Somalia's problems. For we know from experience such dreams seldom come to fruition. And to be clear, we don't think alshabaab are worse than Ethiopian occupation or Kenyan one for that matter. We don't think Israel is better than Alshabaab, nor do we entertain such radical, extreme propositions to address what is essentially a minor political and security issues. Alshabaab are NOT invincible army. They CAN be engaged politically, and militarily with a UNITED Somalis. Calling anyone to invade the country regardless of the consequence simply alshabaab is bad is the height of intellectual dishonesty. It is unworkable; it happened before to no avail.

 

One notices, perhaps out of desperation, and a clear sign that you have no argument to present, that you are resorting to comment on Xiin's past stances. Whatever Xiin was or supported, a grieve-stricken secessionist he was not. He was for Somalia yesterday, as he is today.

 

What are you for other than Siilaanyo and the failed project that is Somaliland?

[Abtigiis]

Dear Oodweyne,

 

If people accuse you that you are a wordsmith who mistakes words for ideas, it is no body’s fault but yours. You have displayed a worrying tendency of presenting soundbites as solid arguments. But even your critics know you are a straightforward nomad who says how he sees it; the Joseph Blatter types whose every utterances are guaranteed to generate some rebuke. Also the type Somalis cover up by saying ‘waa nin qalbi xaadhan ee wuu yar dhacdhacaa”. What is not your trademark is a flagrant charlatanry who takes his viewpoints as established facts.

 

There is no possibility of arriving at any consensus or clear points of departure with such knaves. The supreme guardian of this state of confusion and cul-de-sac is our own Xinnfanin. That is not news. It is a hurt already administered to our cyber body-politic. But long stay with skilled concubines often leads a nubile girl to a grisly deflowering by one of the male clients of the women, justifiably in search of new pasture, new challenges. We are detecting signs of Xinn’s charlantry sneeze in you, caught from his loud coughs of dogmatic intransigence.

 

Also in this discussion, I believe there is no space for you, but you are acting like the village desperadoes who gate-crush into the weddings in neighbourhoods and insist that they will spoil the whole party if they are not allowed to sing for the bride and the groom. I believe you should focus on the predicaments of Somaliland, including the machinations of Faysal Ali Waraabe and the rer-Hawd, who are only few months away from declaring new separate enclave within the enclave.

[xiinfaniin]

^^Waryaa, Caqliyow, ninkii Zenawi ahaa hoos ka aqri

 

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