TFG president sharif ahmed visits kenya

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Madaxweynaha Soomaaliya Sheekh Shariif iyo wafdi uu hoggaaminayo oo u ambabaxay dalka Kenya *

 

Arbaco, November 16, 2011 (HOL) — Madaxweynaha Soomaaliya, Sheekh Shariif Sheekh Axmed iyo wafdi uu hoggaaminayo ayaa goor-dhow *ka duulay garoonka diyaaradaha ee Muqdisho, iyagoo kusii jeeda magaalada Nairobi ee xarunta dalka Kenya.

 

Sheekh Shariif iyo wafdigiisa ayaa lagu wadaa inay booqasho maalmo ah ku joogaan Kenya, iyadoo inta uu halkaas ku sugan yahayna la kulmi doona madaxda dalkaas si ay uga wadahadlaan xaaladda dalka Soomaaliya iyo ciidamada Kenya ee gobollada Koonfurta Soomaaliya ku sugan.

 

Madaxweynaha ayaa lagu wadaa in inta uu ku sugan yahay Nairobi uu sidoo kale la kulmo madaxweynaha dalka Uganda, Yoweri Museveni oo isaguna halkaas ku sugan, si ay uga wada-hadlaan xaaladda ammaan ee Soomaaliya, gaar ahaan Muqdsiho.

 

Mr. Museveni ayaa horay u sheegay inuu taageersan yahay howlgallada ay ciidamada Kenya kawadaan gudaha dalka Soomaaiya, kaddib kulan uu dalkiisa kula yeeshay wasiirka arrimaha dibadda ee Kenya Moses Wetang'ula.

 

Wasiirka gaaashaandhigga Soomaaliya, Xuseen Carab Ciise iyo wasiirka arrimaha gudaha iyo ammaanka Qaranka, C/samad Macallin Maxmauud ayaa kaga sii horreeya madaxweynaha magaalada Nairobi ee dalka Kenya.

 

Dhanka kale, Sheekh Shariif ayaa shalay la hadlya ciidamo ka tirsan DKMG ah ee Sooomaaliya oo tababar kusoo qaatay dalka Uganda, isagoo ugu baaqay ciidanka inay guntiga u xirtaan sidii ay ula dagaalami lahaayeen Al-shabaab.

 

Sidoo kale, madaxweynuhu wuxuu ciidamada ku boorriyay inay diinta islaamka ku dhaqmaan, ayna dib u dhigtaan hamigooda ah inay guursadaan, isagoo sheegay in guur uu u waajibayo markii ay dalka ka saaraan Al-shabaab waa sida uu hadalka u yiriye.

 

Ugu dambeyn, madaxweynuhu wuxuu ciidamadii uu la hadlay u sheegay inay heli doonaan xuquuqaadkooda oo dhan, iyadoo hadalka Sheekh Shariif uu imaanayo iyadoo aanay ciidamada DKMG ah qaadan wax mushaaraad ah muddo saddex bilood ah.

 

Ciidamadan ayaa la sheegay inay tababar kale oo lagu barayo sharciyada dalka ku qaadan doonaan xerada ciidamada ee Jasiira oo ahayd halkii uu madaxweynuhu shalay ugu jeediyay ciidamada dardaaranka.

 

Maxamed Xaaji Xuseen, Hiir

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Sharif went to kenya nairobi to clarify his stand on this issue yes to kenyan help to fight against shabaab no to azania and gandi

[xiinfaniin]

^^That is precisely why he is a loser. Objecting Azania while blessing Kenyan invasion is the most mischievous thing to do in my opinion.

 

He is proposing Jabbuuti troops as a caretaker AMISOM security forces of Kismayo after Kenya 'liberates' the area. We shall see what happens, but at this point of time everything I hear from Sharif on this issue points to a gutless man who is so superficial and empty.

[Che -Guevara]

^You are going in with the assumption these men (TFG) have control over anything. Nothing is in their hands and Sharif will say whatever he's told and sign whatever agreement he's presented with.

[NGONGE]

^^ Talk sense, Che. Disliking the TFG & Sharif is one thing but attempting to argue that they have no say on anything and are merely "taking orders" is utter nonsense, saaxib. If Hamid Karazi can have a go, make threats and warn the US about its conduct in Afghanistan, Sharif can easily also do all of that to this collection of African nobodies, saaxib. The difference, of course, is that Krazi has some semblance of political know-how whilst Sharif and his college lecturing PM don't.

[Dabrow]

Che -Guevara;758942 wrote:

^You are going in with the assumption these men (TFG) have control over anything. Nothing is in their hands and Sharif will say whatever he's told and sign whatever agreement he's presented with.

Che understand it. These TFG folks are not in control of our country.

 

[xiinfaniin]

Che, I am with NGONGE on this. Somalis are not without leverage, esp Sharif is in the capital and with a perceived clan base there he could play his cards right if he knows how.

[xiinfaniin]

Kenya, Uganda Somalia presidents: ‘Historic’ chance to defeat militants, stabilize Somalia

16 Nov 16, 2011 - 6:44:38 AM

 

The presidents of Kenya, Uganda and Somalia say the dual-fronted fight against Islamist al-Shabab militants presents a “historic opportunity” to restore stability in Somalia.

 

Kenya sent hundreds of troops into Somalia last month to hunt down al-Shabab militants, whom it blames for a string of kidnappings in Kenya. Uganda has thousands of troops stationed in Mogadishu as part of an African Union force.

 

Following a meeting in Nairobi on Wednesday, the three presidents said there needs to be enhanced cooperation between Somali, Kenyan and African Union forces in the fight against al-Shabab.

 

Somalia has been in chaos for two decades following the 1991 ouster of longtime dictator Siad Barre.

 

Source: The Associated Press

[GoldCoast]

The comparison to Afghanistan is invalid on many grounds. For one we are talking about the biggest invasion of this decade, with the backing of the most powerful armies in the world. The Taliban were toppled in all of its territory, and the amount of the money the Americans and NATO have invested in Afghanistan cannot even be close to compared to what they have spent in Somalia. There is 133,000 plus of the most well trained troops the planet has to offer in Afghanistan, along with over 150,000 Afghan govt soldiers all trained and equipped directly by the United States. The funds/logistics invested in Afghanistan cannot be compared to Somalia. Despite all this, Afghanistan is in an extremely tenuous situation, and there version of AS has hardly been defeated. In fact its gotten to the stage the Americans have almost conceded the Taliban will return following a withdrawal and are attempting to negotiate with those willing.

 

There is also the issue of its relatively powerful neighbors who have direct leverage on the political process in Afghanistan. Karzai is hardly speaking independently as much as he is trying to find a common ground among these interests. If Karzai is your template for how a transitional leader should operate, I hope you pay attention to what happens to Afghanistan within these coming years.

 

The harsh truth is much closer to what Che has posited. Sharif or no Sharif, the results would be the same. As is the case with the revolving door PM position.

[Mintid Farayar]

Goldcoast,

 

While the scale of military/political/financial/manpower involvement is not the same, there are some similarities between the two theaters - precisely because of the facts you've stated.

 

A- the relatively powerful neighbors vis-a-vis the ailing country

B- the leverage of these neighbors on different players within the ailing group

C- the involvement of superpowers from different regions of the world

 

The geopolitical significance might not be as significant (none of the competing neighbors possess nuclear arms), but it seems like a template on a smaller scale.

 

As for Sharif being a Karzai, Karzai lately became relevant as an independent actor simply through playing the different outside forces against each other. Does Sharif have that ability? I don't know, but the performance of the last few years has not impressed.

 

P.S. Karzai, like Sharif, has no state infrastructure/institutions beneath him - just an umbrella of supporting warlords.

[Somalia]

Why don't you all just come out and say that Shariif was shown his place, he has no support other than his beel and that he is on the wrong side of equation.

 

He has no power play and has to wait and see if Azania is established, that's it. He blew his credibility when he first came out against the intervention..

[GoldCoast]

Mintid Farayar;759097 wrote:

Goldcoast,

 

While the scale of military/political/financial/manpower involvement is not the same, there are some similarities between the two theaters - precisely because of the facts you've stated.

 

A- the relatively powerful neighbors vis-a-vis the ailing country

B- the leverage of these neighbors on different players within the ailing group

C- the involvement of superpowers from different regions of the world

 

The geopolitical significance might not be as significant (none of the competing neighbors possess nuclear arms), but it seems like a template on a smaller scale.

 

As for Sharif being a Karzai, Karzai lately became relevant as an independent actor simply through playing the different outside forces against each other. Does Sharif have that ability? I don't know, but the performance of the last few years has not impressed.

 

P.S. Karzai, like Sharif, has no state infrastructure/institutions beneath him - just an umbrella of supporting warlords.

Valid points.

 

But in essence it is still not a template for success at all. Karzai' and Afghanistan's position is incredibly tenuous, and if the Americans continue to move towards a full withdrawal, it'll likely be a question of only when and not if the Taliban returns. I think the lesson that should be drawn from the Karzai comparison isn't what posturing can do, but how little foreign intervention can defeat similar foes definitively. It is incredible to consider that the survival of Karzai and what he heads still exists solely on the presence of foreign troops a full decade after the American invasion. Karzai just today made a statement warning of "interference" , all while later requesting for the indefinite stay of American troops.

[The Zack]

We already told you that Shariif Canbe has no nationalism in his heart. I see some disappointment and calaacal from the folks who were disagreeing with our claim.

 

Making sure he signs what he first publicly opposed

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Its sad but zack and abtigis were right on this one gari allay taqanaye

[The Zack]

Xaaji Xunjuf;759144 wrote:

Its sad but zack and abtigis were right on this one gari allay taqanaye

Sidaas weeye adeer. We will have our own version of UAE, just more and more of that. There is no way Somalia can come back from top to the bottom but there is a way it can grow from the bottom to the top.