The 4.5 is not only wrong, its a crime against humanity

[burahadeer]

our smaller clans always wana prove thmslvs & if they can't get the presidency all hell will break lose! and when we get it we begin a killing spree like Siyad.

[Showqi]

Qabiil waligiis buu ahaa 4.5 Ma iminkaad hurdadii ka soo toosteen!

[GoldCoast]

.5 for a diverse grouping of people who are from all over the country and no relevant cabinet positions sure does sound like a just and equitable system lol

[Shinbir Majabe]

Alderman;757516 wrote:

Hi, can anyone explain what 4.5 system is?

 

 

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[Somalia]

^^ looooooooool

[Che -Guevara]

Carafaat;757484 wrote:

 

May I need to remind you that if SL had such a rigid and institutionalized system, your Adeero Siilanyo, AUN Cigaal and Riyaale would never have become President. As with such a system its all about clan and shorter linrage's would never get a chance.

 

Only people like myself who have a bigger and longer lineage would make it.

And there you NGONGE. The man is saying his habar would b*tch slap your habar. Waa nin laan dheer ah..lool

[Bluelicious]

Alderman;757516 wrote:

Hi, can anyone explain what 4.5 system is?

I would like to know the same thing too.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

Somalis, killing each other over clan names for nearly two decades but incessantly complain at the elders to at least divide things fairly. there is no way to please you lot. This is our problem people. We must accept that our way of thinking might not be right or at the very least be the only right way to go about things. further more, we should come to a conclusion by now after all these failures, that practicality should take precedent before idealism. One could even make the case that idealism is the crime.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

BTW, to carafat who compared 4.5 to apartheid, how is is apartheid when the attempt is to make all equal. Is your argument whole thing is a crime/wrong/apartheid or that the distribution is wrong because those are two different arguments

[Carafaat]

NGONGE;757512 wrote:

Once there is war in Somaliland, I sure as hell would be advocating for the 4.5 system (or similar variants), adeer. After all, I wouldn't want your long lineaged clan to rip me off. Wax fahan.

The last time clan wars took place in Somalia, was during the Jubba/Kismaayo wars back in the '97 in the Jubba's. Since then the Somali conflict has been dominated by groups with diffrent political agenda's with little support from the own clan. For example it was the TNG vs some warlords from the same clan as TFG President, TFG/Ethiopia vs. ICU and TFG/AMISOM vs. Al Shabaab.

 

The fact that ICU pacified Moqadishu and kickout warlods and later Al Shabaab managed to control by far the biggest part of Somalia, should tell you that their key succes wasnt the 4.5 system rather a system based on diversity, local ownership and balance between the clans. While the TFG is using the 4.5 system failed to gather little support from the people since it was created back in 2004. Now, just look at the situation now and how Al Shabaab is losing power while using clannism and actually the TFG is becaming slighly popular since Shariif/Farmaajo said farewell to the 4.5 system back in 2010.

 

This should tell you atleast something. That the key succes in Somalia's reconciliation and governance is not dependant not the clan formula's, but rather on shared morals, value's and interest. And the 4.5 system has rather fractured Somali's(or clans) with common interest then it unified them along shared interest.

[Abdul]

I think they should handover all power,including the presidency,prime minister and all important ministries to the minority clans(the .5)

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Gaacuur;757482 wrote:

4.5 ma aha cadaalad, mana aha Xal.. laakiin xilliga la joogo waxaan jirin wax kale oo lagu heshiin karo si dawlad wadaag ah loo samaysto..

waxaana ay dhamaan doontaa marki la helo nidaam Axsaab ah oo codeyn lagu tartamo taasoo wax badan ka dhiman yihiin..

Waxaa lagu maahmaahay lan alifsheey humaadi albaqri miki toosaaw.

 

Caddaaladdaro xal ma keento. In fact, waxaa aaminsanahay Soomaaliya waxa ka dhacaayo inay keentay nabsigii iyo habaarkii iyo inkartii iyo nacladii Eebbaheena necbeysay: Ku tumashadii iyo takoorkii la saaray dad walaalaheena ahaa, oo isku isir, isku af iyo dhaqan iyo diinba wada ahayn in la wada takooray. Nabsigaas dalkeena la degi la yahay, xaqdarada laga galay, lagana galaayo wali weyn.

 

Can one believe in dadkaan hoos aan ku xusay inay 'bar' Soomaali yihiin (qaarkood Rabi ha u raxmadee):

 

Faadumo Qaasin

Cumar Dhuulle

Axmed Naaji Sacad

Bacalwaan

Tubeec

Dheere Xaaji Dheere (dhalinyaradii SYL aasaastay ku jiray)

Maki Xaaji Banaadir

Nuuraani

Cabdi Tahliil Warsame

Saalim Saciid Saalim

 

Yaaka dalkeena jeclaa dadkaan sharafta lahaa, lehna

[Carafaat]

MMA, I agree with you. Eventhough the 4.5 system was created for the parliamentrary representation within the TFG, the moral signal it gives to the wider Somali public is much bigger tend it was intended for.

 

No Somali is worth half of another Somali!!!

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Miskiin that's why they are not into politics and have successful singing career

[Carafaat]

Naxar Nugaaleed;757574 wrote:

BTW, to carafat who compared 4.5 to apartheid, how is is apartheid when the attempt is to make all equal. Is your argument whole thing is a crime/wrong/apartheid or that the distribution is wrong because those are two different arguments

NN, The 4.5 system seperates ppl in diffrent blocks while they have the same political interest. Also the system values/rates some ppl higher then other based on purely clan. Apartheid did the same but then based on race. Imagine if the TFG goverment actually workeed across the country, ppl would get jobs, students scholarships, etc based on clan rather then merits.