Early signs in Tunisia point to Ennahda’s strong showing

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

you don't care but that is what you are saying, and if the people want to kill their neighbor, should that be respected too?

[GoldCoast]

Naxar Nugaaleed;753585 wrote:

what is a "moderate islamist" to you and is there such theocratic democracy? Did this people fight for theocracy or democracy and how you have both. Ghannouchi is claiming to have found the right recipe and we can only wait and see. furthermore, I can't help but feel that ignorant rural folk along with cowardly "moderate islamist" have hijacked what only the people of Tunis and the "liberal coast" had the courage to undertake. furthermore, I believe this will endanger the unfinished democratic revolution in the rest of the Arab world. Imagine anyone supporting the Yemen with al-qaeda in the Arab peninsula waiting at the gate, or the syrians with the ruling religious minorities in fear of any change, or Egypt with its large coptic christian community who fought along with other prodemocracy protesters in tahrir square.

Actually the areas that set off the protests were not the coast, but the center of the country. Mohamed Bouazizi was from Sidi Bouzid which is from the same areas you are referring to. Almost everyone including Tunis residents give credit to them for starting the revolution.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunisian_revolution

 

It wasn't until three weeks into the uprisings that they spread to the capital. They were late to jump abroad. Also many in the capital voted for Ennahda as well.

[Dabrow]

Naxar Nugaaleed;753619 wrote:

you don't care but that is what you are saying, and if the people want to kill their neighbor, should that be respected too?

Bro, whats have that to do with anything? Keep it relevant, who ousted Ben ali in the first place?

Who did the sacrifies? You need change your mindset, the colonialism is over, countries shoud rule themselfs and take any directionss it desires.

[xiinfaniin]

NN is either ill-informed or have something against political parties with Islamic orientation.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

lol, I don't think I am ill informed but just had High hopes that one, just one Arab nation would break this endless cycle/stereotype of islamist, dictator, islamaist dictator for the love of God and turn into a normal democracy among other things.

[GoldCoast]

Naxar Nugaaleed;753629 wrote:

lol, I don't think I am ill informed but just had High hopes that one, just one Arab nation would break this endless cycle/stereotype of islamist, dictator, islamaist dictator for the love of God and turn into a normal democracy among other things.

lol You are being very alarmist if you think this will devolve into a dicatorship. They will not unilaterally write the constituion they've already agreed to form a coalition with one of the 2nd or 3rd places parties.

 

Also who exactly were the Islamist dictators in the Arab world? Last I checked everyone from Assad to Mubarak to Ben Ali to Saleh were much closer to being secular than Islamist.

[Yunis]

true - lets not forget just 10 Months ago under Bin-Ali, Ennahda’s leaders were arrested or exiled. the trend in the Muslim world is towards Islamist inclined ruling systems as Turkey's AK party proved it can be achieved. The task now for Tunisia is to govern like AK Party.

[Khayr]

Yunis,

 

and why should they govern like the Turkish party? Has anything changed there is that party came to power?

[SOO MAAL]

Congratulations to ENNAHDA Party and people of Tunis, 90% turn out of voters in Tunis is a remarkable achievement. Insha Allah, soon Egypt in November, Libya, Yemen etc will follow. No more Dictators.

 

 

الله اكبر ولله الحمد، صدق وعده، نصر عبده اعز جنده وهزم الاحزاب وحده, نحن قوم اعزنا الله بالاسلام

 

قال تعالى : " اليوم اكملت لكم دينكم واتممت عليكم نعمتي ورضيت لكم الاسلام دينا- "-

 

Allah Almighty said“This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.”

[NGONGE]

xiinfaniin;753588 wrote:

Duke is right the model for Tunisia is Turkiyaa. I am sure very few will argue that Turkiya's political experiment has been bad for the Turks.

The Turkish experiment took decades to perfect. Erdogan and his lot had to change names and colours for so long before they became acceptable to the Turkish army and world powers. The older incarnations of Erdogan's party would not have dreamt of doing half the things (and concessions) they're doing now.

 

Tunis on the other hand is starting with a blank page. A blank page (and overwhelming victory) gives you the opportunity to do whatever you like. As we know with Islamic parties in recent history, such carte blanch control is usually bad bad news.

[xiinfaniin]

^^You are right about the evolution of Islamic parties in Turkey. But you are being your usual cynic about the risk ENNAHDA may pose to the stability of Tunisia. These leaders spent years in exile and understand the way of the world. They campaigned a realist and practical political platform, and they won. There is no reason they will endanger the very opportunity that brought back to their lands and gave them the very victory they got today.

[Khayr]

NGONGE;753830 wrote:

Erdogan and his lot had to change names and colours for so long before they became acceptable to the Turkish army and world powers. The older incarnations of Erdogan's party would not have dreamt of doing half the things (and concessions) they're doing now.

 

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and changing the colors of each "islamic political party" in the arab spring revolutionized nations is what is being pushed for by the dominant powers that be. Why else would Cameron, Obama and their French counterpart have meetings with the leaders of these movements and work tiredlessly to get them to meet their concessions.

 

On a more insidious note, the push for voting on the changing and creation of constitutions firs, before party elections is more of a threat to the muslims because it is set to undermine, to undermine and to undermine more - the shariah and the influence of shariah in these muslim countries. How so? Simply put, by having all selected or elected parties come under the banner of constitutionalism and not the shariah.

So that when something like free expression comes up for the young bloggers, a potential ruling islamic party can not curtail that aspect of the consitution (the right to freedom of expression) by citing any part of the quran, hadiths and islamic rulings. By default, the Shariah will become Null and Void - which is the ultimate aim of the shayateen.

[Yunis]

^ you an an Alarmist sxb - come down, as NGONGe said it took Turkey’s AK party for decades. Remember when Erdogan’s wife started wearing headscarf it was a big news in Turkey. Also, Most of the Islamic world was under colonization 50 yrs go, you don’t expect these ‘Shayateen’ to relent their influence that easy.

[NGONGE]

Khayr;753853 wrote:

and changing the colors of each "islamic political party" in the arab spring revolutionized nations is what is being pushed for by the dominant powers that be. Why else would Cameron, Obama and their French counterpart have meetings with the leaders of these movements and work tiredlessly to get them to meet their concessions.

 

On a more insidious note, the push for voting on the changing and creation of constitutions firs, before party elections is more of a threat to the muslims because it is set to undermine, to undermine and to undermine more - the shariah and the influence of shariah in these muslim countries. How so? Simply put, by having all selected or elected parties come under the banner of constitutionalism and not the shariah.

So that when something like free expression comes up for the young bloggers, a potential ruling islamic party can not curtail that aspect of the consitution (the right to freedom of expression) by citing any part of the quran, hadiths and islamic rulings. By default, the Shariah will become Null and Void - which is the ultimate aim of the shayateen.

True, Khayr. But that's good news, saaxib. It means that angry people like you can not go crazy with their mad interpertation of the Shariah. But don't dispair, saaxib. In time, calmer heads will prevail and the shariah (though not the kind you beleive in today) will be implemented.

 

p.s.

Xiin, with every "Islamic" party that comes out of the ashes of dictatorships one has no choice but to be cynical, saaxib. Been there and seen it all before.

[xiinfaniin]

^^Really?

 

I can only remember one party that blew that kind of opportunity, and that was Mujaahiduun/Taliban of Afghanistan. And there were many impeding factors that could explain their failure. If you know others that squandered similar opportunity, please share.