Why the Somali Regime is an Apostate regime:

[Laba-X]

Shaykh Abdul Majeed Bin Muhammed Al-Munee’ says:

 

Regarding those present day rulers who have usurp the rule over the Muslim lands, those who feign their Islaam; in reality these governments have fallen into Kufr from all angles and have performed many of the negations of Islaam. Some of which are as follows;

 

 

Firstly: They legislate and make laws in competition with Allaah without any permission from Him. Allaah says:

 

"Are many lords differing among themselves better, or the One Allaah, Supreme and Irresistible?” [Yusuf 12:39]

 

 

Secondly: They obey those who make national and international laws and obey these Kufr legislations; making them the supporters of the Shirk. For example, their following of the rules and regulations emanating from the United Nations, which contradict the orders of the Islamic Shari’ah; in fact Allaah has declared war against such actions. He says:

 

“What! Have they partners, who have established for them some religion without the permission of Allaah?” [Ash-Shura 42:21]

 

And Allaah says:

 

“Those who turn back as apostates after Guidance was clearly shown to them, the Shaytaan (Satan) has instigated them and busied them up with false hopes. This, because they said to those who hate what Allaah has revealed, "We will obey you in part of (this) matter"; but Allaah knows their (inner) secrets.” [Muhammad

47:25-26]

 

 

Thirdly: They rule and judge by other than what Allaah has revealed.

Allaah says:

 

“And whosoever does not rule and judge by what Allaah has revealed is a Kaafir (disbeliever).” [Al-Ma’ida 5:44]

 

And Allaah says,

 

“But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against your decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction.” [An-Nisa 4:65]

 

 

Fourthly: They ally themselves with the Kuffar from the Jews, the Christians and the Mushrikeen. Not only do they ally with them, but work to protect and support them, preventing anyone from even calling such people disbelievers; convening agreements and contracts that they will offer them military support by themselves, their speeches and their wealth. Allaah says:

 

“And whosoever allies with them (the Kuffar) is one of them.” [Al-Ma’ida 5:44]

 

And Allaah says:

 

“Hast you not observed the Hypocrites say to their disbelieving brothers among the People of the Book? ‘If you are expelled, we too will go out with you, and we will never hearken to any one in your affair; and if you are attacked (in fight) we will help you’. But Allaah is witness that they are indeed liars.” [Al-Hashr 59:11]

 

Such are those treacherous rulers who fight and seek out the sincere Mujahideen and Muwahideen (those who do not perform Shirk), imprisoning them utilising all manners of expense and equipment such that they can show their servitude to their masters, the Jews and Christians – and May Allaah give them their due!

 

They also demonstrate their complete devotion and love towards the Christians and the Mushrikeen; whereas Allaah says:

 

“Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allaah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allaah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred.” [Al-Mujadila 58:22]

 

 

Fifthly: They permit the Haraam (forbidden) matters by giving permits to banks for example, which allow the Riba (interest) when Allaah has said:

 

“Verily the transposing (of a prohibited month) is an addition to Unbelief: the Unbelievers are led to wrong thereby: for they make it lawful one year, and forbidden another year, in order to adjust the number of months forbidden by Allaah and make such forbidden ones lawful. The evil of their course seems pleasing to them. But Allaah guides not those who reject Faith.” [At-Tawba 9:37]

 

 

Sixth: They mock the Deen of Islaam by giving permits to those who laugh at and mock the verses of the Qur’aan. They legislate laws which make it easy for the television and other media channels to show and permit actors, actresses, comedians to mock the Deen of Islaam. Allaah says:

 

“Say: ‘Was it at Allaah, and His Signs, and His Messenger that ye were mocking?’ Make you no excuses: you have rejected Faith after you had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for that they are in sin.” [At-Tawba 9:65-67]

 

These six points are only some of the points which negate the Islaam of those who claim authority over the Muslim lands in this day and age; we have not included any more for brevity.

 

End of the Shaykh’s words!

 

 

As to where Sharif’s government stands on these issues; any person whom Allah has endowed with the ability to perceive and comprehend the verses of the Qur’an and Ahadith can, without a shred of a doubt, figure out the reality as well as the severity of Sharif’s case.

 

Generally, the Somali regime is an APOSTATE regime by all counts!

 

 

And I add, and believe, what Shaykh Abu Muhammad Al-Maqdasi said regarding these types of rulers:

 

• We do not believe in rebelling against the Imams of the Muslims, their leaders and rulers of the Muslims even if they are corrupt. We do not remove a hand from their obedience as long as they command to good. We believe that obedience to them is obligatory as long as they do not command with disobedience and we supplicate for their guidance and righteousness.

 

• We believe that it is obligatory to rebel against the Imams of Kufr from the disbelieving rulers that are emplaced over the necks of the Muslims. We believe that they have apostated from the Dīn due to their replacement of the Sharī’ah and legislation with Allāh, and seeking judgment in the Tawāghīt of the east and the west, and allying with the enemies of Allāh and enmity towards His Dīn and His allies.

 

• And [we believe] that Da’wah, action, and expending efforts for the purpose of replacing them is obligatory upon the Muslims - every one according to his capability. Whoever was incapable of carrying a weapon [against them], he is not incapable of assisting the one who carries it, even if by Duā’. [We believe] that the material and spiritual preparation for that is an obligation from the obligations of the Dīn.

 

• And we believe that fighting them is foremost than fighting other than them because the Kufr of apostasy is more severe than the original Kufr according to consensus. Also, because preserving the capitol of the wealth is given precedence of profit and because Jihād of defense is given precedence over the offensive Jihād and because beginning with Jihād against those who are closer to us from the Kuffār is foremost than waging Jihād against those who are further away.

 

• Also, no one has given reign for the Jews, Christians or others of the Kuffār in the lands of the Muslims and made the wealth of the Muslims and their lands a gift to them except these apostates.

 

• We assert that those who hold others back from Jihād against them with flimsy misconceptions such as the claim of there being no migration or distinction [between the ruler and the common fold when in battle] or the lack of a strong Imām over the people of Islām, [we assert] that they are the people of ignorance and misguidance that have issued legal verdicts without knowledge so they are astray and lead others astray. They have abandoned the Dīn and abandoned giving it victory.

 

• Rather, we believer that fighting them under all circumstances and removing them and replacing them until the Dīn is entirely for Allāh is from the most obligatory of the obligations. The migration that is necessary for that is only the migration to Allāh with Tawhīd, and migration to His Messenger. sallallāhu ‘alayhi was sallam with adherence. And complete serious preparation for the likes of this action is obligatory according to us and it is foremost to the individual actions and wasted efforts.

 

• And if standing up to them, and hastening to replace this is not obligatory except upon the one who is capable, then the condition for [it being an] obligation is not a condition for its permissibility. Hence, it is permissible for a person to fight them even if by himself and even if he is certain of martyrdom and not gaining victory. Jihād is an act of worship and an obligation that is legislated until the Day of Judgment.

[N.O.R.F]

Firstly: They legislate and make laws in competition with Allaah without any permission from Him.

 

Such as?

 

Secondly: They obey those who make national and international laws and obey these Kufr legislations; making them the supporters of the Shirk. For example, their following of the rules and regulations emanating from the United Nations, which contradict the orders of the Islamic Shari’ah

 

Such as?

 

Thirdly: They rule and judge by other than what Allaah has revealed.

 

Such as?

 

Fourthly: They ally themselves with the Kuffar from the Jews, the Christians and the Mushrikeen. Not only do they ally with them, but work to protect and support them, preventing anyone from even calling such people disbelievers; convening agreements and contracts that they will offer them military support by themselves, their speeches and their wealth.

 

Any examples?

 

Fifthly: They permit the Haraam (forbidden) matters by giving permits to banks for example, which allow the Riba (interest).

 

Are there any banks in Somalia?

 

Sixth: They mock the Deen of Islaam by giving permits to those who laugh at and mock the verses of the Qur’aan. They legislate laws which make it easy for the television and other media channels to show and permit actors, actresses, comedians to mock the Deen of Islaam.

 

Examples?

 

As to where Sharif’s government stands on these issues; any person whom Allah has endowed with the ability to perceive and comprehend the verses of the Qur’an and Ahadith can, without a shred of a doubt, figure out the reality as well as the severity of Sharif’s case.

 

Generally, the Somali regime is an APOSTATE regime by all counts!

The above situations are at best vague and you haven’t tried to attach any to the TFG. In other words you’re not being SPECIFIC. What you’re also conveniently forgetting is that they haven’t had a chance to govern because others haven’t allowed them to (nor have they tried to talk to them – isn’t that a requirement?). Or is it just a case of taking your word for it?

[Naden]

^ Don't even bother, Norfsky. The goal is to declare the apostasy of a regime (how a non-person can be an apostate remains a mystery).

 

Laba-X, walaal, why don't you name specific people within the regime and present their verifiable acts of apostasy? I think that would be a much more fruitful, even easily attainable, goal as that government can count among its ranks all manners of thugs, thieves and murderers.

[Jibreel]

To Norf.

 

1. By ruling with man made laws, ones that are legislated in parliament other than the already existing rules of Allah.

 

2.They obey the mandates of the united nations and other kafir international entities that go by their own legislated laws and rules, rules that have no basis in Islam .

 

3.True. They rule and judge not with the Quran and the Sunnah that Allah has revealed but again with their own kaafir laws.

 

4.The example of these is all over the Muslim world. Am surprised that this escaped you. If you want examples, consider the roles of every so called Muslim countries and their direct or indirect involvement with the west and how far they go by obeying them.(in the case of the Somalis,they brought Kaafir troops and allied themselves with Kaafirs and not only do they do that but they took Kaafirs as protectors and to some great extent, they even fight side by side with their kaafir protectors against whatever they deem as a threat)

 

5.A regime that sold parts of the country's natural resources will no doubt bring about Riba taking financial institutions.(I will try to look at this in relation to somalia,whether this apostate regime takes riba or some forms of it)

 

6.This has happened in other parts of the Muslim world already,countries that are much developed and peaceful than Somalia. Somalia being a corrupt country run by apostate politicians will no doubt follow the path.

 

You demand that one must be specific and yet you fail to see the apparent and even though you understand and know the TFG and its history, you go far by making excuses for them. Since you already know or think that the excuses you give them are legible, what is the point in pointing out the obvious to you and what is going to stop you from further negating what is again the obvious?

 

What happens in Somalia and the Muslim world in general is no secret.

 

 

To Naden.

 

An apostate is a person who forsakes his believes and that is to say a person who forsakes his religion. The TFG has exactly done that by breaking and directly going against the strong doctrines of Islam by simply breaking them. In short,those who seek protection other than Allah have no protection and they and from that which they seek the protection from are the same.

 

Example.

 

Sheikh Sharif.

 

1. He betrayed his covenant with his brothers and even though it was no time for disunity, he betrayed them so as to sell his soul for a seat.

 

2. He betrayed Islam by seeking protection from Kaafir african states with the backing of Kaafir so called international community whose only regard for the Somalis is none but to further destabilize them by employing every dissolute norm.

 

3.He betrayed the country and the general populace by selling the country's natural resources to the evil entities that he serves.

 

Naden,the crimes of these apostates are not one or two. The best i can tell you is to launch your own Naden investigation and if and when you analyse your findings, maybe you won't hesitate to point out the hypocrites and above all, the apostates that they are.

 

P.s. You forgot ''Patria o muerte'' to fully complete your phrase.

 

Jibreel

[Naden]

The TFG is a person? You're sure about that?

 

Listen, you can find bloodied hands in every political group/alliance. In 2006, the islamic courts were the best chance for stability that this miserable land had. Too many forces didn't want stability for Somalia and Shariff's failure is a direct result of that.

 

This business of throwing grave charges of apostasy is more fitting of witch hunts and the Spanish inquisition than the boring, geopolitical fight that it is. Neither America nor Ethiopia nor warring Somali groups care for the peace of Somalia. Individual religious beliefs are not the issue, political interests, arms dealing, and power grabbing are.

Originally posted by Jibreel:

 

To Naden.

 

An apostate is

a person

who forsakes his believes and that is to say

a person

who forsakes his religion.

The TFG has exactly done that

by breaking and directly going against the strong doctrines of Islam by simply breaking them.

[N.O.R.F]

1. By ruling with man made laws, ones that are legislated in parliament other than the already existing rules of Allah.

Nonesense. Which man made laws are these saxib? Did the TFG not unanimously vote in the introduction of Sharia Law?

 

2.They obey the mandates of the united nations and other kafir international entities that go by their own legislated laws and rules, rules that have no basis in Islam.

Is this the same UN who have been providing food for many starving people whilst AS have been accussed of stealing that same food? Stop picking and choosing what is right for you.

 

3.True. They rule and judge not with the Quran and the Sunnah that Allah has revealed but again with their own kaafir laws.

Do you even know the implications of making such a statement? I won’t even bother.

 

4.The example of these is all over the Muslim world. Am surprised that this escaped you. If you want examples, consider the roles of every so called Muslim countries and their direct or indirect involvement with the west and how far they go by obeying them.(in the case of the Somalis,they brought Kaafir troops and allied themselves with Kaafirs and not only do they do that but they took Kaafirs as protectors and to some great extent, they even fight side by side with their kaafir protectors against whatever they deem as a threat)

Leave the rest of the Muslim world out of it. I’m sure you’ve been to those countries and felt safe, secure and able to practice your religion freely.

 

The threat is AS right? Do AS abide by the rules and regulation of war? Are they the perfectionists you’re only to happy to portray them as?

 

5.A regime that sold parts of the country's natural resources will no doubt bring about Riba taking financial institutions.(I will try to look at this in relation to somalia,whether this apostate regime takes riba or some forms of it)

Stuff and nonsense. You’re prepared to label someone an apostate because you have a crystal ball that tells you what they will do in the future? Move away from the Riba infested country you’re currently residing in!

 

6.This has happened in other parts of the Muslim world already,countries that are much developed and peaceful than Somalia. Somalia being a corrupt country run by apostate politicians will no doubt follow the path.

Stuff and nonsense. You’re prepared to label someone an apostate because you have a crystal ball that tells you what they will do in the future?

 

You demand that one must be specific and yet you fail to see the apparent and even though you understand and know the TFG and its history, you go far by making excuses for them. Since you already know or think that the excuses you give them are legible, what is the point in pointing out the obvious to you and what is going to stop you from further negating what is again the obvious?

 

What happens in Somalia and the Muslim world in general is no secret.

Stuff and nonsense saxib. The points you're hinging your argument on to are so fundamentally flawed I don't even know why I'm bothering.

[Jibreel]

To Norf;

 

When you decide to reason like an educated adult, perhaps then would Jibreel consider to indulge you. Otherwise it is but a waste of time since your post lacks both reason and tangibility.

 

To Naden;

 

The TFG is but a body of persons and the definition befits them in plural but when refering to it, we do refer to it as one and hence why i singularized them.

 

I do however agree with you on some points but that is not what the discussion was. It was about apostasy and so long as it concerns that, the TFG has qualified inregards to the Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet,sallalahu caleyhi wasalam.

 

Jibreel.

[N.O.R.F]

^Repeating the same lines without anything in the way of PROOF then wondering why people disagree is called reasoning by an educated adult miya?

[Jibreel]

Originally posted by Norfsky:

Then wondering why people disagree is called reasoning by an educated adult miya?

Indeed it is a positive trait of a discourse to disagree and in disagreeing, many good things may come forth i.e more insight to a matter.

 

Unfortunately in this regard, the Quran, the Sunnah of the prophet peace be upon him and the Scholars are clear about this and this warrants no objection whatsoever(subject matter of this discourse).

 

You did ask questions and Jibreel replied you with answers but instead of being objective about the topic, you displayed traits that are not forthcoming of an educated adult:

 

1. The topic is about the apostate regime of South Somalia,the TFG and not Jibreel.

 

2.The topic is not about Al Shabab.

 

3.Jibreel gave you answers.If you disagree with the answers, challenge them if you can and instead of hiding behind ill banners, reason with the man and prove him wrong if you can (and i dare you) instead of attempting to corner him.

 

4.Assumptions too are a trait unbecoming of an educated adult.(Jibreel didn't declare his support for a group as you insinuate)

 

5.The proof you sought from Jibreel is in the article, if you disagree why don't you come with your proof on why you disagree.(In the light of the Quran and the Sunnah)

 

6.According to you, the TFG is not as the posted article portrays it or as the poster of the article juxtaposes the TFG and the description the article gives regarding the kaafir states and their leaders. Kindly negate it Objectively.

 

 

As you can see, neither have you done what the educated adult does nor have you behaved yourself in a manner that befits one.

 

So unless you decide to reason objectively like an educated adult, no dice mate. Jibreel won't indulge you since it would be but a waste of time.

 

 

P.s. To point the truth about the Kaafir regime of the TFG doesn't really mean that one has to be with the other side as you tried to suggest in your above remarks.

 

I hope your last post has been answered to your satisfaction.

 

Jibreel

[N.O.R.F]

^I'm not interested in going around in circles as there is enough of that going on around here already.

 

An educated adult knows how to debate/discuss issues. He/she doesn't provide vague one line 'answers' without proof. The gallery can see that

 

Lets try to keep it simple and to the point.

 

1. By ruling with man made laws, ones that are legislated in parliament other than the already existing rules of Allah.

Please provide proof.

 

2.They obey the mandates of the united nations and other kafir international entities that go by their own legislated laws and rules, rules that have no basis in Islam.

I'm assuming your refering to the AMISOM mandate. Are those who are fighting the govnt not being armed by outsiders [kafirs]? How is one side better than the other?

 

3.True. They rule and judge not with the Quran and the Sunnah that Allah has revealed but again with their own kaafir laws.

Please provide proof.

 

Three questions for you to answer/expand on. Remember, in order for this to be an educated adult discussion, you will need to do as I have asked above. If you can't provide the proof then you're claims will be disregarded (and it's you who is making the claims remember. I don't need to do anything but wait for your answers with proof).

 

Debate/discussion 101

[Jibreel]

This is but a futile attempt of a debate if the best of your efforts was the display of skills in your above post.

 

Needless to say more, you ask for proof when infact the proof you so adamantly ask for is right before you(If you just read the article).

 

Thirdly, one who objects must reasonably have a reason as to why. Backing up your tirade inregards to the article and my explanation is a responsibility towards one's stance.

 

Having failed in all of that and yet claiming that you don't have to proof anything is indeed an educated adult's scope of understanding per your definition of it and in that regard, you will forever be waiting for Jibreel.

 

End of discussion.

 

Jibreel.

[N.O.R.F]

LoL

 

Talk about about madax adeyg!

 

My objection has a basis in that the one making the claim has no proof and hasn’t done a good enough job of elaborating on his views. You haven’t even attempted. In addition, one doesn’t consider another post on another thread as ample proof. You seem to be referring to it as an article for some reason.

 

For one advocating for an adult discussion you do seem to be lacking an adult’s comprehension skills.

 

Your argument has failed.

[ailamos]

Nor/Naden... it's useless going around in circles, it's their way or the highway and everyone's a kafir to them, so let them soak in their potions of self-righteousness...