Faroole’s Nuanced Somalia

[Abtigiis]

If President Faroole’s portrayal of Somaligalbeed people as non-Somalis were insulting, his threat to separate Puntland from Somalia if his draconian dictation is not accepted is disturbing. The President of Puntland has repeatedly issued ultimatums and in some cases blatantly acted against Somalia’s national interest with his federalism antics. Faroole thinks Federalism is about establishing parallel republics. He has shown alarming separatist instincts, and it seems he would have gone for full blown declaration of secession if he was not afraid of the backlash from the ferociously Somali unionist Puntland masses. He is not quite the village i.d.i.o.t who sings wedding songs in a funeral, but he sure is like the dangerous vagrant who disturbs the weeding if the woman he fancies refuses to dance with him. Rather than endure a shrinkage of personal power and previledges in Puntand, he will let Somalia burn.

 

Faroole seems to have one goal in mind, which is preservation of power. Other than that it is hard to see any principles that guide him. It is not helpful to dwell more on his dark past as a bank raider, information whose veracity I cannot establish. Nor do I want to discuss his ill-judgement in nominating his own son as advisor as if the son will confer a different advice in the office than he would give at home at night.

 

For Faroole, acceptance of the central state is contingent on who leads it rather than what it does. That is why Farmaajo is seen with evil eye while Abdiwali is welcome with open hands. Faroole’s aversion to Sheikh Sharif is about anthropology rather than governance. Sure, it is hard to like the sanctimonious sheikh who dons different attire for different occasions. But he is the only game in town, to use the cliché. So, if Sharif is not acceptable, Abdiwali shouldn’t be.

 

The sad thing is Faroole is convinced Federalism will solve the ills of Somalia, solely looking at it from the vantage point of his perch. He also confuses a decentralized government which devolves power and resource to regions with Federalism. Somalia needs the former to foster national cohesion and pride. Movement of labour and skills across regions will flourish in the former case as opposed to a different Federal States which will only lead to proliferation of tribalism.

 

He is an obstacle to the formation of a functioning Somalia state as much as the separatists in the North are. His methods are in fact more sinister and insidious as it is not clear just what to expect of him. He proclaims that the interest of Puntland comes first, but what is puntland without Somalia or Somalia without puntland? Just how he doesn’t see this inseparable duality boggles the mind.

 

It is hard to say he is running a proper State, with all the internal insecurity, piracy, and neglect of a sizeable northern population who are unionist. His authority is challenged by armed groups in the North and recently in the South, and instead of providing sound leadership to calm the situation, all he does is to lament and label everyone who is fed up of his nepotism and corruption a terrorist. Puntland is cursed with bad leaders from Abduallhi Yusuf to Adde Muse to Faroole. If Abduallahi Yusuf was a threat to the stability of Somalia because of his intransigence, Faroole is a threat to the rebirth of Somalia because of his greed.

 

Let us hope this ends soon and people the caliber of Abdrisak Haji Hussien and Prime Minister Abdiwali take the helm once again. The former might be too old, but there is no retirement for the wise in the present day Somalia.

[Gheelle.T]

Wonder why you were so hawkish on our Northern (aqoonsi-doon)brothers and show a soft attitude toward the eastern folks(reer kalluun dabte)? You batched up together in your Vuvuzela analyses and here you are lamenting only Farole with all the blames. Why is that? Naga daa dee reer abti unbaad is leedahay isaga dhib nin fair ah

[Abtigiis]

Gheele, this is about Faroole not puntland. Also I didn't see any Puntlander who is pro-secession. I don't have to balance things out, by pleasing or displeasing some people. I reflect my opinions on different issues. And my dislike of Faroole is not news.

[Gheelle.T]

How is PL a pro-secession or Farole in that matter? When or where? Unless you're going by what Nassir has eluded in other thread. As far as I know, PL's beef with the TFG were always about politics and "give me" the piece of the pie that IC gives in the name of Somalia. isn't PL's whole purpose is to be a model for federalism in Somalia, rightly or not? As for your dislike of the guy, that's all good and dandy.

[Che -Guevara]

Faroole is not Puntland and will be offed with secession nuance.

 

That said I admire for the guy for the simple reason that everybody hates him...loool

[Abtigiis]

Gheelle.T;745989 wrote:

How is PL a pro-secession or Farole in that matter? When or where? Unless you're going by what Nassir has eluded in other thread. As far as I know, PL's beef with the TFG were always about politics and "give me" the piece of the pie that IC gives in the name of Somalia. isn't PL's whole purpose is to be a model for federalism in Somalia, rightly or not? As for your dislike of the guy, that's all good and dandy.

Obviously, you follow the logic of sheep and think where Faroole goes, the herd follows. Where did I say PL is pro-secession? You read what is not written. On the subject, Puntlanders committed a grave crime against the Somali people when they all lined up behind Abdullahi Yusuf's treasonous attack on Mogadishu. Those were the days when all of them felt like Ethiopia will deliver power to them on the altar of Mogadishan's graves. And they have many disconcerting political attributes. But secession is not one of them.

[Carafaat]

Abtigiis, your version of Somalinimo is highly tainted with tolnimo and selective perception.

 

-Many Puntlanders supported Faroole's hawkish position towards the TFG. Faroole was not alone in this.

 

-More ONLF members were people were deported from Puntland then from Somaliland, even before Faroole came to power.

(according to O civil society organisation as testified in European Parliament and US Congres, http://www.voanews.com/english/news/US-Congressman-Criticizes-Puntland-For-Abusive-Behavior--71703082.html

 

-Even Somali's from South-Somalia have been deported from Puntland back to Somalia, something which never happened in Somaliland.

 

-Many Puntlanders supported Abdullahi Yusuf and Ethiopia invasion of Moqadishu back in 2006. In Burco and Hargeysa the largest demonstration up to this date were took place against this invasion and in solidarity with the victims.

 

-Even before Faroole's Presidency, Puntland under the leadership of Abdullahi Yusuf sabotaged the forming of a central goverment of Somalia(the Arta Conference) and supported warlods in Moqadishu against the TNG. Somaliland never intervered or sabotaged the forming of goverment in Moqadishu. It always was clear about its quest for independance and that the forming of a goverment was up to Somalia. In fact it was late President Egal(AUN) who came up with the idea of a national transitional goverment free from warlods.

 

-During the '90's Puntland supported warlords because of close kinship fighting for the control of Kismayo. Somaliland never supported or delivered weapons to close related clans living in Kismayo and Jubba's. Because this would not contribute anything to the peace in those region by meddling in their affairs. One of the most deadliest wars occured in this city and region back in the '90's.

 

-Since Somaliland's indepedance in 1991 it never supported or financed any warlord or faction in Somalia(like Djibouti, Punrland, Ethiopia, Kenya, etc), it never tried to financially benefit from the turmoil in Somalia, it never was never engaged in any fighting or control beyond its borders.

 

-Besides all this it was not Somaliland that created the biggest massacre of people, largest nr of refugees tht fled Moqadishu and destruction of the city Muqdishu from 2006 on.

 

So my friend your really need to take of your tainted glasses, you confuse Somalinimo with Tolnimo. And even tolnimo wont bring you the dreamed salvation. You must see that by now.

[Gheelle.T]

Abti, xaraaradii baad ka dishay. What you're accusing him of is actually what the whole state and the majority of its inhabitants stand for. Federalism, Political fight wit the TFG when feel left out, and etc.. Dee boorka ka soo baxoo arrinta banaanka soo dhig, naga daa odaygan and his gaffes.

[xiinfaniin]

Good one prof. Abtigiis

 

Most Somalis do not fully appreciate the difference between representation and Federalism. Many think Federalism will remedy all the dictatorial ills that flourished during Barre regime. However, we must remember, that out of the shock that stricken Somalia when its political center fell, three political propositions emerged; 1) Federalism, 2) Separatism and 3) Alshabaab, each presenting itself as the solution. If Somalia is forced to choose one of the three, Federalism is the least harmful if adopted as temporary arrangement inta laga bogsanayyo.

 

But on its merits, Federalism is not applicable to Somalia. Those who are most loud in its support today ironically will be its least beneficiaries if strictly applied. For Federalism benefits those who have the largest population (representation), and resource (in terms of managing the resource of national pie).

 

There is no doubt Somalia's resource is in the South. And when peace returns so will the population. Faroole should be careful what he wishes...

[Che -Guevara]

^LoooooooL.....Come on Gheelle.T, you are having secessionist tendencies lately :-)

[Gheelle.T]

Che, Soomaalidu mana kala maaranto mana isdayso. Just look at this very site and how it feels like home. Marka secession iyo maxaa 4 darbi ii soo arkay boowe.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

yes for federalism but no to autonomous states

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Carafaat;745998 wrote:

Abtigiis, your version of Somalinimo is highly tainted with tolnimo and selective perception.

 

-Many Puntlanders supported Faroole's hawkish position towards the TFG. Faroole was not alone in this.

 

-More ONLF members were people were deported from Puntland then from Somaliland, even before Faroole came to power.

(according to O civil society organisation as testified in European Parliament and US Congres,

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/US-Congressman-Criticizes-Puntland-For-Abusive-Behavior--71703082.html

 

-Even Somali's from South-Somalia have been deported from Puntland back to Somalia, something which never happened in Somaliland.

 

-Many Puntlanders supported Abdullahi Yusuf and Ethiopia invasion of Moqadishu back in 2006. In Burco and Hargeysa the largest demonstration up to this date were took place against this invasion and in solidarity with the victims.

 

-Even before Faroole's Presidency, Puntland under the leadership of Abdullahi Yusuf sabotaged the forming of a central goverment of Somalia(the Arta Conference) and supported warlods in Moqadishu against the TNG. Somaliland never intervered or sabotaged the forming of goverment in Moqadishu. It always was clear about its quest for independance and that the forming of a goverment was up to Somalia. In fact it was late President Egal(AUN) who came up with the idea of a national transitional goverment free from warlods.

 

-During the '90's Puntland supported warlords because of close kinship fighting for the control of Kismayo. Somaliland never supported or delivered weapons to close related clans living in Kismayo and Jubba's. Because this would not contribute anything to the peace in those region by meddling in their affairs. One of the most deadliest wars occured in this city and region back in the '90's.

 

-Since Somaliland's indepedance in 1991 it never supported or financed any warlord or faction in Somalia(like Djibouti, Punrland, Ethiopia, Kenya, etc), it never tried to financially benefit from the turmoil in Somalia, it never was never engaged in any fighting or control beyond its borders.

 

-Besides all this it was not Somaliland that created the biggest massacre of people, largest nr of refugees tht fled Moqadishu and destruction of the city Muqdishu from 2006 on.

 

So my friend your really need to take of your tainted glasses, you confuse Somalinimo with Tolnimo. And even tolnimo wont bring you the dreamed salvation. You must see that by now.

Well said Somaliland does not support Clan/islamic factions in Somalia that are fighting over Power.

[Thankful]

Of course not, it just a coincidence that out of all the area's where somalis reside, some of the biggest and most well known terrorists leader happen to come from NW Somalia.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

^^ Yeah the same dude who threatened to Kill Somalilanders if they went to the ballot box