The Limits of Vuvuzela Genocide

[Ace of Spadez]

Abtigiis;745431 wrote:

Good Riddance, Professor Ace. Let the Jaahiluu pelt each other then.

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Abtigiis;745431 wrote:

Safe journey, Professor Ace. We will thoroughly miss your anthropological wisdom and impartiality.

Quite comical. Abitgiis by the way you are most welcome in Hargeisa. All you have to do is put up with that eyesore of a plane. hehehe

 

For the record, I truly like you. You are an honest man who says what many in here dare not.

[Ace of Spadez]

Sayid that qoute by Tolstoy is quite correct. It is probably why Somalia Proper with all it's human capital, entrepreneurship, survival instincts, wealth, health , educational facilities, and yet have problems with the most basic simple rule of humanity and our faith which is to live in peace with your neighbour. 20 years is a long time to be blind to this common sense.

[AYOUB]

Saw this thread and ignored it thinking it was about football. Ileen waa calaacalkii hadhaagii...

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

amba bahashi la afuufayey baan moodayey eeh qolyahihi mad madooba afuufi jireen , laakin marki danbe baan ogaday Abtigis ba cadho nafiisayey

[Abtigiis]

In the absence of any substantive rebuttal to the allegation that Somalilanders' analysis of the Somali civil war is myopic, and that they are possessed by a demon of separation, it is wise to end this session. I, therefore, declare the matter concluded and send the file to the archives. It is sad the motives and identity of the poster become the focus of the discussion rather than the core issues. With their legendary siege mentality and aversion to critical appraisal of their sacred cow, it was fairly predictable it would end in this way.

[NGONGE]

^^ ..war don't push your keyboard away just yet. If you wait long enough, someone else will take up the "fight" allowing you enough time to recover and come back with a different argument. Ilaa guurmaan wax ku barayaa dee!

[NASSIR]

Abtigiis, Interesting discussion & Well written, robust argument and you were wise enough to spot and avoid the baits of the red herring, the character attacks and the non sequitur.

You & I share common viewpoint against the dismemberment of Somalia and the false victim-playing rhetoric coupled with the revisionist campaign oftentimes put forth to sustain it.

I wrote two pieces with a strong and vehement language as an indication of my sense of urgency, for the fragile secessionist case had been slowly gaining currency among the uninformed, pseudo foreign pundits and those who are extremely ignorant of the complexity of Somalia's political history & the prevalent premeval mentality within our society that champions the interest of one's clan over the national interest, least of the freedom of our people under the brutal subjugation policies of Ethiopia. However, as you repeatedly emphasized, most other Somali victims have shown a disproportionate willingness to forgive and mend fences with their brethrens. Only the enemy knows and accentuates the division of our society.

[Abtigiis]

NASSIR;745476 wrote:

However, as you repeatedly emphasized, most other Somali victims have shown a disproportionate willingness to forgive and mend fences with their brethrens.

Judicious observation, son of the somali soil! The reason is, while most Somalis see the the civil war as a family feud where a brother was killing a brother, the secessionists consider it as invasion by aliens. It has much to do with how they define their identity, and the more they see themselves as distinct race, the more they get bitter at the mistreatment they received from 'invading clans'.

 

And by the way, why the sharpest of tongues in this forum, the Somaliland contingent, chose to pass this weighty matter with either a shrug, a jibe or a diversionary 'we won' discourse, is because they do not have any sensible answers to the important question of why the atrocities committed against Somalilanders must be seen with a different microscope than the rest of the mayhem that occured elsewhere.

 

The post-independence generation in Somaliland, for most part, has committed a flial treason to the patriotic idealism of their fathers. In fact, Timacadde would have composed a cursing poem to SNM if he is told the 'Qabyaalad' he so instensly warned against rules the roost in Hargeisa in the 21st Century. What is even most regrettable is that the SNM considers the union epsiode as a mistake and has falsified history by claiming that Somalilanders were hijacked into getting this marriage by the political elites of the time, forgetting that there was no difference between a Somalilander and a Somali in those days.

 

The secesion agenda is a one clan motto, and anyone who tries to defend it is a clanist by default. No wonder why there is a water-tight correlation between proponents of this wicked idea and the geography they hail from. It is a Burco-Hargeisa-Berbera affliction and anyone who says otherwise is a certified liar. Chinua Achebe has once said that “it is far much easier for a blind man to describe an elephant”. He meant that the blind man can say whatever he thinks of the giant animal and could be forgiven if he is wrong. But the man in full sights should render a correct description or should live with the insult of being called a liar. He will not be forgiven for failing to correctly describe what is before his eyes. In trying to analyze the raison detere of the endless victim-mentality of the secessionsts, I have tried to accurately describe the source of their ailment. I hope I got it right.

 

It is richly sardonic that Oodweyne, even with all his incomprehensible logic and turgid prose, could actually have offered a measure of what one could call a rebuttal. He has an annual malady whose anti-dote is to go and get a camel milk in the rural areas of Togdheer, a fetish he calls Dacar-bax, and he is unlikely to be here for a timely reaction. :D

[real suldan]

aptiigis you have pointed out that the atrocities or so called genocide against the seccesonists has been blown out of proportion and used as a basis by them for their agenda of separation. first i would like to point out to you that the atrocities did happen but the main reason that their being put up as a case for separation are first, we know that somalia's political future is in neither of our hands be it north or south so what is actually happening here is that we are playing out to the arena and that is one of the cards we are using not the fact that we cant get over the deaths and brutality meted out to our brethren we are muslims and we accept Allah's fate whether good or bad although we feel the pain of memories of our experiences. we are like a desperate spouse trying to get out of a dissapointing marriage pleading their case before the kadhi, so you can understand the excesses of our accusations. we need to make you look horrible, scare the kids and get the khadi to terminate this dangerous union. that aptigiis is the drama part but the real motivation behind our seeking to severe ties to you are dreams of oil riches on our part and the fact that we really despise your personalities thinking that their is something lacking in your mental development and it scares us to share something as intimate as life with such a people.

[NASSIR]

Abtigiis, Keep up the good work!

[Jacaylbaro]

The Video should again come back ........

 

 

[xiinfaniin]

^^The video is irrelevant at this point. Prof. Abtigis is not disputing the fact that atrocities were committed. He is attacking the weak rationale of using that atrocity for dismembering the country.

[A_Khadar]

Xaaji Xunjuf;745425 wrote:

The Brits came we made them leave our Country Dictators came and we made them flee enough said

I don't know you made the Brits made them leave, but history shows you are missed them..

[AYOUB]

xiinfaniin;745753 wrote:

^^The video is irrelevant at this point. Prof. Abtigis is not disputing the fact that atrocities were committed. He is attacking the weak rationale of using that atrocity for dismembering the country.

The issue is Pro. Abtigiis is an Ethiopian who is putting words on Somalilanders' mouths. He should've asked why Somalilanders wanted to break the 1960 union with Somalia and we could've a had mature discussion. What we have here is no more the usual guilt-ridden calaacalkii hadhaagii

[Abtigiis]

Dr. Xinnfanin,

 

miyaan kuu sheegay in Ngonge talafoon igu damiyey laba jeer maanta. Jawaabtaan ka sugaynayna waxay noqotay warbixin dagaal beeleed uu Jacaylbaro ciwaan ku daray.