The Begining of the End-Rebels in Tripoli

[Jacaylbaro]

- Tripoli airport is held by a small tribe but equipped with armored vehicles

 

- Libya Central bank is held by another tribe

 

- The Post Office compound goes to

 

- Ministry of information is held by another tribe

 

- Green Square and nearby roads are being held by the Berbers from the mountains

 

- Bab Al Aziziya compound are being held by Misrata Brigade, a powerful one

 

- Zawiya refinery is being held by two powerful tribes

 

- Nearby tribes want to have some share of this, but are being repelled.

 

- The port goes to another tribe from Gharyan town

 

- Rixoz Hotel and nearby District is being held by the Zawiya groupd of rebels, another powerful tribe from there

 

 

Xamar baan xasuustay in 1991 ....

[nuune]

SafiyaN;743545 wrote:

nuune, thank you for the update. Naseeb daro, walahi. It is only a matter of time before the different tribes realize that only one at any given time can hold the key to the central bank or the ports. The remainder will find themselves relegated to other functions. Things will descend quickly while the oil flows and the gold is carted away by the Europeans.

Your welcome walaal, while therebels are busy trying to hold key important places and institutions, the West will benefit a lot, and that is what it really wants, to see the rebels busy at themselves, this will prove that the West and UN will intervene and send their own ground troops and peacekeeping forces to separate the warring factions and to guide important places like the refineries!!

 

 

Libya is not like Iraq where you have Kurdish, Shi'a and the Powerful Sunni minority

 

Libya is not like Afghanistan where the existence of clans or tribes is zero to nill, either you are Pashtun or Kiintaal, or Uzbek and Tajiks who migrated from their countries long time ago.

 

Libya is even more dangerous than the Somali system of clans, in Somalia, clan system exist where there are about 4 or 5 clan system, the descending sub-clans clans do come from these 4 or 5 clans.

 

In Libya, there are 140 tribes(confirmed number), each one of its own existence, and does not have any lineage or relations with the other, that is a fact, the most minority one's which only number less than 10,000 are the Black Libyans, or the Tuareg

 

That creates a problem, it already created a problem and power vacuum, which tribe will accept to be governed by smaller tribe.

 

Fact, the biggest tribe did not participate the fighting, the second biggest tribe that is of Gaddafi one did not support the rebels.

 

Another fact, since the 2 biggest tribes were against the rebels, then everything else is minority, which minority tribe will accept to be governed by another minority tribe.

 

 

 

The complications of the tribe system is not something that can be even resolved by power sharing between the rebels, how did Gaddafi managed all those tribes is something the experts are weighing right now in order to fill the power vacuum.

 

 

 

That is my little two cents.

[SafiyaN]

nuune;743567 wrote:

Your welcome walaal, while therebels are busy trying to hold key important places and institutions, the West will benefit a lot, and that is what it really wants, to see the rebels busy at themselves, this will prove that the West and UN will intervene and send their own ground troops and peacekeeping forces to separate the warring factions and to guide important places like the refineries!!

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The complications of the tribe system is not something that can be even resolved by power sharing between the rebels, how did Gaddafi managed all those tribes is something the experts are weighing right now in order to fill the power vacuum.

 

That is my little two cents.

Excellent summary, walaal, thank you. Ilayn dadku markay iska ilalin gaalka, naseeb daro ayaa kuu dhacda. The way things are evolving is exactly the way that the US, Britian, and France had planned it. They knew this would happen and it did.

[Som@li]

Nuune, problem is already solved, Libya unlike Afghanistan, Somalia, is very rich, and already western countries opening their embassies in Tripoli.

 

Things are normalizing and money is problem solver.

 

Sirte is beiing surrounded, and war is almost over.

[Abdul]

So far we havent seen different factions fighting to gain power.There are no warlords claiming to be 'president' and no tribal wars happening anywhere in libya.This is not bad,is it?

[nuune]

Som@li & Abdul, yes, according to the Western Media, that is exactly what is happening in the country and in the capital, everything is normal, the war is almost over when Sirte surrenders, and according to independent journalists who have being expelled and people living there, the situation is different sxbayaal on the ground!

 

You forgot to mention Iraq, it is rich as well, yesterday alone, dozens of people died, it is like a daily ritual, busy killing themselves while the West controls the oil money, it was planned from the beginning, and it will be planned here in Libya as well, and the plan is happening just as of now.

 

 

 

What happen to the rebel leaders saying a week ago they have opened a council office in Tripoli, they can't and they will be glued to Benghazi.

[Peace Action]

Things are still fuzy and the war is not finished. However, the trend is very clear, Libya leadership is very capable and the country is very rich such that each Libyan can get 23 million a day if the proceeds from oil sale is distributed evenly. Libya produces 1.8 million barrels of oil and has less than 7 million population. Qaddaafi tribe is small and the two largest tribes Warfalla and Magariha are opposed to Qaddaafi. The situation in Libya is getting better and we expect Libya to become a shinning example of getting rid of manic despot and improving the lives of ordinary Libyans.

 

 

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2011/0224/Libya-tribes-Who-s-who/(page)/2

[Jacaylbaro]

Libya's tribes: Ready for battle?

 

 

They are armed and will not surrender. That was the warning from Muammar Gaddafi, Libya's embattled leader, as he spoke about the tribes loyal to him.

 

Rebel fighters extended their deadline for Gaddafi loyalists to lay down their arms by another week. But any hopes of a peaceful takeover of Gaddafi's hometown of Sirte came to an abrupt end as he urges his supporters to keep fighting.

 

But will Libya's tribes heed Gaddafi's call to fight on? How will tribes decide the country's future? And why do tribes matter in Libya?

 

Inside Story, with presenter Jane Dutton, discusses with guests: Faraj Najem, a historian and the author of Tribes, Islam and State in Libya; Benjamin Barber, a distinguished fellow at the Policy Center DEMOS; and Oliver Miles, the former UK ambassador to Libya.

 

 

WATCH HERE ,,,,, http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/insidestory/2011/09/2011939646878444.html?utm_content=rssautomatic&utm_campaign=twitter&utm_source=SocialFlow&utm_term=june&utm_medium=tweet

[GoldCoast]

nuune;743567 wrote:

Your welcome walaal, while therebels are busy trying to hold key important places and institutions, the West will benefit a lot, and that is what it really wants, to see the rebels busy at themselves, this will prove that the West and UN will intervene and send their own ground troops and peacekeeping forces to separate the warring factions and to guide important places like the refineries!!

 

 

Libya is not like Iraq where you have Kurdish, Shi'a and the Powerful Sunni minority

 

Libya is not like Afghanistan where the existence of clans or tribes is zero to nill, either you are Pashtun or Kiintaal, or Uzbek and Tajiks who migrated from their countries long time ago.

 

Libya is even more dangerous than the Somali system of clans, in Somalia, clan system exist where there are about 4 or 5 clan system, the descending sub-clans clans do come from these 4 or 5 clans.

 

In Libya, there are 140 tribes(confirmed number), each one of its own existence, and does not have any lineage or relations with the other, that is a fact, the most minority one's which only number less than 10,000 are the Black Libyans, or the Tuareg

 

That creates a problem, it already created a problem and power vacuum, which tribe will accept to be governed by smaller tribe.

 

Fact, the biggest tribe did not participate the fighting, the second biggest tribe that is of Gaddafi one did not support the rebels.

 

Another fact, since the 2 biggest tribes were against the rebels, then everything else is minority, which minority tribe will accept to be governed by another minority tribe.

 

 

 

The complications of the tribe system is not something that can be even resolved by power sharing between the rebels, how did Gaddafi managed all those tribes is something the experts are weighing right now in order to fill the power vacuum.

 

 

 

That is my little two cents.

 

There are also key differences within Iraq and Afghanistan specifically that you have overlooked. For one there isn't a visible presence of foreign ground troops and that is huge. Also Libya doesn't have the problem of hostile competing neighbors like Iraq and Afghanistan. Saudi Arabi and Iran, as well as Pakistan and India played a major role in the outcomes of both those countries often funding and supporting competing factions. Libya's geography helps protect it from this problem.Gaddafi's tribe is not one of the biggest that is not true, its well established they are

smaller in comparison to the biggest ones.

[Che -Guevara]

Apparently Bani Walid surrendered and members of the Qaddafi inner circle crossed the border to Niger.

[nuune]

Che, surrendering Bani Walid for 3 weeks, what does is it tell you, that the tribe there and its surrounding are the Warfallah tribe and they number more than more million population, very powerful, so sxb, kuma dhacaan iney qabiil kale meel uu daganyahey weeraraan unless NATO is helping the rebels with extra more ground troops to commit more massacre, the reason for giving Bani Walid deadlines is to seek more ground troops for the rebels, and a great tactic by Gaddafi sons to negotiate a fake surrender in order to escape the town, Gaddafi family is not from the Warfala Tribe of Bani Walid, but they share more close relations than any other tribe, the Warfalla tribe were treated by Gaddafi as brother tribes.

[ElPunto]

These Libyan tribes are peasants compared to Sadaam Hussein's well armed well financed and organized Tikriti tribe. How can Gadaffi's tribe protect him when Sadaam's tribe failed? They'll dump Gadaffi when they see that he's not coming back.

[GoldCoast]

Che -Guevara;744396 wrote:

Apparently Bani Walid surrendered and members of the Qaddafi inner circle crossed the border to Niger.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/06/us-libya-idUSTRE7810I820110906

 

Many more crossed to Niger. I find it telling the Americans are making demands of Niger to detain the convoy but made no such demands of Algeria.

[GoldCoast]

Gotta say its pretty clear Libya is a very xenophobic/racist place. NYTimes detailed article on treatment of African migrants/workers http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/05/world/africa/05migrants.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

 

There has yet to be any solid evidence of large numbers of mercenaries yet they are detaining anyone with dark skin without qualm. All unarmed as well. Many Somalis amongst the detainees according to HRW and Amnesty.

[ElPunto]

^Saw that. Poor scapegoats. The end result of Gadaafi's meddling in Africa is injustice and oppression for Africans in their respective countries and in Libya itself.