Can Somaliland survive without Awdal?

[AfricaOwn]

PasserBy;733859 wrote:

Xaaji Borat,

 

The fact that you are questioning the inclusion of a few villages in the map of Awdal leads neutral observers to conclude that you see a possibility of Awdal opting out of the enclave and that you are fretting about a border dispute ensuing. This could all be averted if Silanyo stops punishing Awdal community just because they didn't vote for him.

 

Jacaylbaro,

 

Ethiopia has survived the loss of Eritrea and its historical ports. It can handle losing Somaliland as well. The reverse may not be true though. Somaliland, as well as Puntland, are unlikely to survive Ethiopia's loss. This was made abundantly clear in 2006 when Islamic Courts Union pushed all the way to Galkayo and were just a pissing distance from Garowe. The Buhoodle incident of two years ago and Admiral Osman's boys walk thru Somaliland (undeterred) make it clear that Somaliland troops/security forces are not ready for prime time.

You're not who you say you are.

[Mulugbaadh]

PasserBy;733859 wrote:

The fact that you are questioning the inclusion of a few villages in the map of Awdal leads neutral observers to conclude that you see a possibility of Awdal opting out of the enclave and that you are fretting about a border dispute ensuing.

Sure, if neutral observers have a thing for fallacious inferences.

[Liqaye]

loool "as ancient as the beatles"

[OdaySomali]

Can Awdal survive without 'Somaliland'? For me that would be a more interesting question.

[Coofle]

OdaySomali;733966 wrote:

Can Awdal survive without 'Somaliland'? For me that would be a more interesting question.

Yes, Awdal have Borders with Djibouti and Ethiopia, the Red sea would provide international access. If you mean politically , Yes, Albeit blocked by Maroodi jeex "Formerly Woqooyi galbeed", Awdal could join and be whatever they want.

 

But, For now Awdal is Part of Somaliland, It Harbored the Somaliland government for its first 6 months, Awdalites created the national anthem and flag of somaliland.

Yes, Awdal is Marginalized in the current Somaliland Government But that does'nt mean they would drop somaliland at an instance. it is those enemies of somaliland plotting with few calooshood u shaqaystayaal to create qalalaase.

[OdaySomali]

Interesting.

 

Are you an 'awdalite' yourself Coofle?

[Baashi]

The answer is yes. Powers-that be can legitimize or deligitimize any entity they want to -- regardless of the merits or legality of doing so. Awdal or no Awdal, the secession can happen. Power is an awesome thing. I happen to be on the view that secession will usher an era of lineal segmentation never seen before -- each cohesive clan with viable land will see the incentive to go it alone. Or short of that folks will settle federalism with weak central unity government as a workable compromise. Neither option serves Somalia's interest.

 

It is no accident that Libya got the short end of the stick whereas Bahrain, Syria, Yemen, or even Saudi Arabia’s brutality against unarmed protesting civilians gets overlooked. It is not funny that westerners took action against Libya in order to protect Libyan civilians from future action by Qadafi regime! Other Arab civilians have not been accorded with the same protection. World powers (except passive China and boxed Russia) twisted Sudan and Indonesia’s hand to grant South Sudan and East Timor their independence.

 

There is a talk that active world powers will discourage Palestinians from seeking independence from Israel’s occupation.

 

Maxaa kuu baxay?

 

Somalia can be carved up tomorrow not because some areas are recovering from the civil war or are choosing to govern themselves in a civilized manner. Not at all! If the big boys see their interest in reconstituting colonial injustices of Berlin kind, make no mistake they will do so. Is there oil or other mineral deposit there that can be siphoned out on the cheap? The answer to that question has more weight than the recovery path some Somali zones have embarked on.

[Johnny B]

^And the answer to the topic question is a simple No.

[PasserBy]

AfricaOwn;733936 wrote:

You're not who you say you are.

Who did I say I was? Remind me please.

[PasserBy]

Liqaye;733954 wrote:

loool "as ancient as the beatles"

 

 

[A_Khadar]

Baashi;733987 wrote:

The answer is yes. Powers-that be can legitimize or deligitimize any entity they want to -- regardless of the merits or legality of doing so. Awdal or no Awdal, the secession can happen. Power is an awesome thing. I happen to be on the view that secession will usher an era of lineal segmentation never seen before -- each cohesive clan with viable land will see the incentive to go it alone. Or short of that folks will settle federalism with weak central unity government as a workable compromise. Neither option serves Somalia's interest.

 

It is no accident that Libya got the short end of the stick whereas Bahrain, Syria, Yemen, or even Saudi Arabia’s brutality against unarmed protesting civilians gets overlooked. It is not funny that westerners took action against Libya in order to protect Libyan civilians from future action by Qadafi regime! Other Arab civilians have not been accorded with the same protection. World powers (except passive China and boxed Russia) twisted Sudan and Indonesia’s hand to grant South Sudan and East Timor their independence.

 

There is a talk that active world powers will discourage Palestinians from seeking independence from Israel’s occupation.

 

Maxaa kuu baxay

?

 

Somalia can be carved up tomorrow not because some areas are recovering from the civil war or are choosing to govern themselves in a civilized manner. Not at all! If the big boys see their interest in reconstituting colonial injustices of Berlin kind, make no mistake they will do so. Is there oil or other mineral deposit there that can be siphoned out on the cheap? The answer to that question has more weight than the recovery path some Somali zones have embarked on.

Awoowe you nailed this one down so right..

[Aaliyyah]

Whether Somaliland can survive or not, people from awdal state have decided their fate - that they want nothing to do with Somaliland and that they support unity over secession.

 

salaam

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Who are those people from awal u speak of today as we speak a sultan is being crowned in qulijeed. And all the elders from awdal and the rest of somaliland are there. Aaliyah are u telling us the people of awdal are represented by a few individuals in the diaspora we have seen the 18 may celebrations in awdal in baki not a single sultan ugaaz from awdal is against somaliland as an independent state

[Aaliyyah]

Somaliland started from meetings of few men in Jedda in the early 80s, so if I was you I would smell the coffee instead of just being in an illusion.

 

salaam

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

What does that have to do what awdalite support you said they reject somaliland and they dont support somaliland and you come back with a silly response saying snm was founded in saudi arabia snm was fighting a government when they finished their task shacab bay noqdeen and the somaliland people ruled their country the day i see suldaan dhawal and suldaan jamac samatar and the other awdalite ugaaz who was at dugsigi sh cali jawhar in the borama conference 15 may that day we can say parts of the community of awdal are against somaliland i wll post an interview with the ugaaz