Somalia´s Crimes in Somaliland: Forgiven but unforgettable – Part I

[Jacaylbaro]

Ducaysanoow Saadambaad garan ............ Adeerkaa Siyaadba wuxuu odhan jiray "Afartaa Injirta lihi Qaranka wax ay yeeli karaan ma jirto" Ilaa uu xataa musqul uu ku kaajo waayay oo geedaha hoostooda ku saxarooday

[Taleexi]

War raggu cabaad badanaa.... bal Soomaali oo dhan baan waxba isula hadhin oo haddana rabta inay wada noolaato.... Some folks never learn... Adeer bal tirtira beelaha kale ee idinkula nool waqooyiga waa sidii hore loo yiriye bal aarsada oo hadalka naga daaya.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Taleexi;714442 wrote:

War raggu cabaad badanaa.... bal Soomaali oo dhan baan waxba isula hadhin oo haddana rabta inay wada noolaato.... Some folks never learn... Adeer bal tirtira beelaha kale ee idinkula nool waqooyiga waa sidii hore loo yiriye bal aarsada oo hadalka naga daaya.

Somali rabta inay wada noolato anagu manu arkin after 20 years halkeed ku maqnayd 20 sannadood eeh ay xabadu maalin kaliya is taagin

[Taleexi]

War Xaajiyow dhegaha fur oo i maqal... waxaan ka wadaa dadku waa is wada laayey balse annaga oo ka xun cid kasta oo xaq daro lagu dilay baad hadana dadka ka cabaad badan tihiin. Kuwiina dadka madhiyey, ee kufsaday, ee xabaal nololooliyey waxay agtiina ka yihiin mujaahidiin, bal horta muraayad isku eega dabadeed shirka sheeko soconaysa la yimaada.... Illaa iyo hadda baad xasuuq bini'aadanimada ka baxsan ka wadaan deegaamada SSC waxaadna u aragtaan marka la eego fikirkiina guracan iyo maskaxdiina isku dhexdaadatay inaad jannada sidaa ku tegaysaan... Alla maxaa rag kala haysta wallee mudo dheer jiq bay idinku ahaanaysaan ilaa aad sheeko kasta labadeeda dhinac eegtaan.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Taleexi adiga yidhi Somali ba raba inay wada joogaan anigu na ma arko Somali wada joogta oo rabba inay wada joogaan bal adiga anu kaa so qaadno , waxad tahay nin taleex ka yimi nimanka jaajaleya oo qardhona wa ku muqata walaalkaga qardho kula degen dal iyo mamuul lama qeybsan kartid balse waxad aminsatahay inad tol tihin xigaal iyo xidid iyo wixi la mid ah dal iyo mamuul na ma wadaagi kartan anigu cilada ma samayn . Kuwa dad iskugu xiga eeh galkacyo wada degen ba hal mamuul ah yeelan kari wayey kuwa Woqoyiga muqadisho iyo kooonfurta Muqadisho ba kala xidhan. Dhuusamareeb galguduud na sadex mamuul ba ka taliya Gobalada Jubooyinka waxa lo sameyey 4 mamuul greenland jubbaras state azania iyo jubbaland dadkan somalida aad sheegeysid eeh rabba inay wada joogaan adeer halkeed ku aragta?

 

Taleexi anagu wixii aad ku sheegi jiirteen Xooga dalka Somalia baan u babac dhignay oo waliba wata south african iyo qaar caloosha u shaqeystayaal Somali maxammad jareer iyo jilleyc waxane ay rabeen inay dhulkayaga ummado kale ku beeran laakin wa runta Mujahidin ba u kacay oo carada difaacay. Laakin SNM kolkey ay dalka xoreyeen oo calanki u tageen ummadaha Somaliland degan waxay u yeedheen dhamaan beelihi Somaliland wada degi jirey ahna inti u ingriisku gumeysan jirey British Somaliland protectorate waxana lugu heshiyey in ay Somaliland noqoto dal xor ah oo xalaal ah oo calan leh oo noqota jamhuuriyada madax banaan reerkasta oo Somaliland degen na waxay tabanayeen inay miiska so dhigaan shirki ugu horeyey wuxu ka dhacay burco shirki labaad na wuxu ka dhacay borama shirki ugu danbeysti na wuxu ka dhacay Ceerigaabo sanaag inta ba waxa lugu heshiyey inaynu noqono beelo u bahoobay qaranimo.

[A_Khadar]

Beelo and qaranimo in one sentense caadi maha..

[Mayaani]

Jacaylka, Hadaad cid wax yeeshay maad cabaadeen 20sano malaha ciil baa kugu haray.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

A_Khadar;714458 wrote:

Beelo and qaranimo in one sentense caadi maha..

Qaran dee wa ummadu isku tegey ma wax kalaad u haysata oo asaas sameystey oo ay ku bahoobeen

[Taleexi]

Anigu mar hadday sheekadu tahay waxaan doono aan sameeyo, waxaan doono aan ku hadalno, waxaan doono aan diidno, weliba si kastaba anaa u saxan. Dee anigu dhagax dixeed inaan la dagaalamo mooyee lama doodi karo abti.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Taleexi;714465 wrote:

Anigu mar hadday sheekadu tahay waxaan doono aan sameeyo, waxaan doono aan ku hadlo, waxaan doono aan diido, weliba si kastaba anaa u saxan. Dee anigu dhagax dixeed inaan la dagaalamo mooyee lama doodi karo abti.

Taleexi adigu wax aan la is barbar dhigi kareyn baad rabta inad is barbar dhigtiid waxad ku doodaan xasuuq ba agagaarka buhoodle ka dhacay ,,wali na wax cadayn ah maydan keenin, waxad ku doodaan Laascanood ba maalin kasta dad lugu xasuuqa , taleexi waligeed ma dhacday laascanood ina wiilasha reer laascanood ama kuwa gobolka cayn in 40, 40 la so qabtay oo geed lugu xidhay oo rasaas lugu sii dayey dabeedna maydadkoodi laga so dhiijiey sii ay u noqdaan Dhiiig spare ah for askarta Cadawga eeh duulaanka ah.

[Taleexi]

Saaxiib bal ninba qumanihiisaa qoorta ugu jira'e halkaa maanta ha inoo joogto. Teeda kale ma dhaxal baad u hesheen maxaad deegaamada SSC, Maakhir iyo Awdal ka qabanaysaan hadaad nabad doonaysaan.

[Thankful]

Xaaji why does the video just cut out at the end? Is it because they were going to start to talk about the war crimes the SNM committed, like using people has human shields and executing civilians from other area's?

 

The video is heavily doctored evidence being how it just cuts out and how the subtitles call the ambassador a "war criminal".

 

Like it has been said no one in NW Somalia is going after Morgan or any of the other s0-called "war criminals" because they know some will be brought up as well.

[Thankful]

http://www.irinnews.org/InDepthMain.aspx?InDepthId=51&ReportId=71942

 

In-depth: A Decent Burial - Somalis yearn for justice

SOMALIA: Interview: Abdirahman Awale and Muhammad Hashi of the SNM

Photo: IRIN

Abdirahman Awale

NAIROBI, 1 May 2001 (IRIN In-Depth) - Unilateral independence in Somaliland, northwestern Somalia, was declared by the victorious Somali National Movement (SNM) on 18 May 1991. Hundreds of thousands of Somalilanders had been displaced across the borders at the height of the 1988-1991 civil war [see Somalia: A government at war against its own people, Human Rights Watch 1991]. Abdirahman Awale and Muhammad Hashi of the SNM leadership told IRIN in an interview that atrocities committed under the former regime were a primary reason for secession. They rejected the recently-established TransitionalNational Government in Mogadishu, elected in 2000 in Djibouti-hosted peace talks, because it includes "known war criminals." Now functioning as an opposition group in Somaliland, the SNM members criticised both the international community and Somaliland President Muhammad Ibrahim Egal for failing to investigate alleged war crimes and mass graves.

 

 

Photo: IRIN

Muhammad Hashi

QUESTION: What, to you, is the significance of the new authority in Mogadishu?

 

ANSWER: [Hashi] ... The Djibouti [hosted peace] conference didn't give due respect to the existing administrations - to either the Somaliland government or to Puntland. Somalilanders feel the Arta conference is another way of inviting the Siyad Barre regime [back]... It's the Siyad Barre regime without Siyad Barre, as far as we are concerned. They are the perpetrators of the genocide that has taken place. *We have more than 100 mass graves in Hargeysa, Zeila, Gebile, Berbera, Hadwein, Burao, Kalcher, Erigavo, and Siyad Barre's group was responsible. And [Prime Minister] Ali Khalif announced his government on 21 October, which commemorates the revolution of Siyad Barre [of 21 October 1969]! That is no coincidence. It is a way of telling us: We are here again.

 

Q: You say the mass graves are very important, yet there is a real slowness in Somaliland to investigate properly. Why?

 

A: [Hashi] The [somaliland] government is dragging its feet about bringing up those issues which caused the seccession, and also the United Nations... The international community has formed war tribunals for cases in Rwanda, Burundi, Kosovo, and investigations have been conducted. Why is it different in Somaliland? Why is it being neglected? Why is the international community closing its eyes to what happened here? To reconcile the Somali differences - Kofi Annan drags his feet, the OAU is silent, the Arab League is ignoring it. Even when the genocide was taking place, the international community was silent, the UN was silent.... But we really don't care. We are in our land and we will never, never be back to that unity.

 

Q: But surely one of the reasons you would want the mass graves investigated is to get justice in order for people to be reconciled with the past?

 

A: [Awale] To be reconciled with the past, and at the same time convince the international community that our secession is based on atrocities that took place. They have to consider that. We united with [southern Somalia] not through compulsion, but of our own accord. For 30 years we suffered such atrocities, so we established our state again - Somaliland. So we are showing the international community the reason why we chose secession. We want to convince them.

 

Q: Is there also reluctance over investigating these mass graves because there are some people Somaliland also responsible?

 

A: [Hashi] It could be said so, yes, because there are some elements of the Siyad Barre regime in the government who should not have been, really.

 

[Awale] ... That point is valid, but I don't think it is the reason. Some were either ministers or civil servants in Siyad Barre's government, but they were not effective. That is not the point as to why the [somaliland] government is slow to deal with these mass graves. The main reason is that Egal is concerned with not telling the international community the truth of what has happened here.

 

Q: How will you deal with Somalilanders who are known to be part of that former system, or responsible for mass killings?

 

A: [Awale] It's quite clear; just investigations, not revenge, should be followed up. They will be taken to court. Not necessarily Siyad Barre's colleagues only [but] anyone who has taken part. They will be taken to court, and there should be justice.

 

[Hashi] Whether he is a Somalilander himself or whether he is somebody else.

[Thankful]

http://somalilandpress.com/the-night-snm-fighters-came-to-hargeisa-18537

 

From the early morning of the 31st May 1988, when SNM fighters milled into the northern parts of Hargeisa other than the early skirmishes the military authorities did not do much to spoil the homecoming of SNM fighters.

Soon, the fighters who

embedded themselves with different families

in the northern and eastern parts of the city

began to send messages to one another to decide on how to conduct their war of attrition with the government.

Even though skirmishes were aplenty for the first few days the government authorities argued over how best to dislodge the fighters who embedded themselves

among the civilian population.

War Crimes!!!

[Saalax]

Some of the criminals wa lagu daba jiira... one by one...

 

 

After 6 years, judge denies immunity for former Somali prime minister now living in US

 

 

By Matthew Barakat

Wednesday, February 16, 2011

 

Former Somali PM Mohamed Ali Samantar

MCLEAN, Va. — A judge has denied legal immunity to a former Somali prime minister now living in northern Virginia who is accused in a federal lawsuit of torture and war crimes.

The judge's ruling, issued Tuesday in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, represents a significant reversal in the case against Mohamed Ali Samantar, who was a defence minister and prime minister of Somalia in the 1980s during the regime of dictator Siad Barre.

Two Somali men filed the lawsuit against Samantar in 2004, alleging that he oversaw abuses committed as part of the government's campaign of repression against the ***** clan in the northern part of the country.

But the case has languished in courts for more than six years. In 2007, U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema dismissed the case and determined that Samantar was entitled to immunity under federal law.

But last year, the U.S. Supreme Court sent the case back to Brinkema for further deliberation on whether Samantar deserved immunity.

Brinkema changed course this week after receiving a rare "statement of interest" from the State Department which said Samantar should not be entitled to immunity. The State Department reasoned that Samantar was not qualified for immunity because there is no recognized government in Somalia that can request immunity on his behalf.

 

 

Brinkema had requested guidance from the State Department back in 2006 and 2007 when she made her initial determination, but the State Department, then under the administration of George W. Bush, never provided any guidance.

The Center for Justice and Accountability, which filed the lawsuit against Samantar on the plaintiffs' behalf, said it is extremely unusual for the State Department to issue a statement of interest that recommends against immunity.

While the government determined that Samantar ought not be granted immunity, it made clear in its legal filing that it takes no view on whether the lawsuit against Samantar has merit.

Aziz Deria, one of the two plaintiffs who alleges that his father and other family members were killed by forces directed Samantar, said he is looking forward to the day when Samantar will have to answer his accusers in court.

Deria said he pursued the prosecution despite large pockets of opposition in the Somali-American community, which does not want to dredge up the past, or remembers Samantar as a military hero in Somalia's war against Ethiopia.

"He was a great military man, and a lot of people respect him," Deria, 46, said in a phone interview from Washington state. "But at the end of the day, he used the same army that he used to defeat Ethiopia to defeat his own people."

Samantar's lawyer, Joseph Peter Drennan, is now seeking to dismiss the lawsuit on other grounds. Drennan said Samantar denies the allegations, and Drennan said that a U.S. court is not the place to settle inherently political questions of who was right and who was wrong in a civil war more than two decades old.

Drennan also said the lawsuit seeks to hold Samantar accountable for alleged atrocities committed against the ***** clan without any direct evidence that Samantar participated in those abuses.

"He appears to be the target of this litigation mainly because he was a diplomat in the Siad Barre government and because he happens to live here" in the U.S., Drennan said.

Source: Canadian Press