Mysteries Shrouding Fall Of Islamic Courts Of Somalia.

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The following reports about American involvement in Iraq might be an indicator of what had happened to the Islamic Courts Union of Somalia, just interchange Somalia for Iraq and you get the picture of how the Somali resistance was weakened and defeated .

 

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Special Forces May Train Assassins, Kidnappers in Iraq

 

The Pentagon may put Special-Forces-led assassination or kidnapping teams in Iraq

 

WEB EXCLUSIVE

 

By Michael Hirsh and John Barry

Newsweek

 

updated 8:59 p.m. ET Jan. 14, 2005

 

Jan. 8 - What to do about the deepening quagmire of Iraq? The Pentagon’s latest approach is being called "the Salvador option"—and the fact that it is being discussed at all is a measure of just how worried Donald Rumsfeld really is. "What everyone agrees is that we can’t just go on as we are," one senior military officer told NEWSWEEK. "We have to find a way to take the offensive against the insurgents. Right now, we are playing defense. And we are losing." Last November’s operation in Fallujah, most analysts agree, succeeded less in breaking "the back" of the insurgency—as Marine Gen. John Sattler optimistically declared at the time—than in spreading it out.

 

Now, NEWSWEEK has learned, the Pentagon is intensively debating an option that dates back to a still-secret strategy in the Reagan administration’s battle against the leftist guerrilla insurgency in El Salvador in the early 1980s. Then, faced with a losing war against Salvadoran rebels, the U.S. government funded or supported "nationalist" forces that allegedly included so-called death squads directed to hunt down and kill rebel leaders and sympathizers. Eventually the insurgency was quelled, and many U.S. conservatives consider the policy to have been a success—despite the deaths of innocent civilians and the subsequent Iran-Contra arms-for-hostages scandal. (Among the current administration officials who dealt with Central America back then is John Negroponte, who is today the U.S. ambassador to Iraq. Under Reagan, he was ambassador to Honduras. There is no evidence, however, that Negroponte knew anything about the Salvadoran death squads or the Iran-Contra scandal at the time. The Iraq ambassador, in a phone call to NEWSWEEK on Jan. 10, said he was not involved in military strategy in Iraq. He called the insertion of his name into this report "utterly gratuitous.")

 

Following that model, one Pentagon proposal would send Special Forces teams to advise, support and possibly train Iraqi squads, most likely hand-picked Kurdish Peshmerga fighters and Shiite militiamen, to target Sunni insurgents and their sympathizers, even across the border into Syria, according to military insiders familiar with the discussions. It remains unclear, however, whether this would be a policy of assassination or so-called "snatch" operations, in which the targets are sent to secret facilities for interrogation. The current thinking is that while U.S. Special Forces would lead operations in, say, Syria, activities inside Iraq itself would be carried out by Iraqi paramilitaries, officials tell NEWSWEEK.

 

Also being debated is which agency within the U.S. government—the Defense department or CIA—would take responsibility for such an operation. Rumsfeld’s Pentagon has aggressively sought to build up its own intelligence-gathering and clandestine capability with an operation run by Defense Undersecretary Stephen Cambone. But since the Abu Ghraib interrogations scandal, some military officials are ultra-wary of any operations that could run afoul of the ethics codified in the Uniform Code of Military Justice. That, they argue, is the reason why such covert operations have always been run by the CIA and authorized by a special presidential finding. (In "covert" activity, U.S. personnel operate under cover and the U.S. government will not confirm that it instigated or ordered them into action if they are captured or killed.)

 

 

Meanwhile, intensive discussions are taking place inside the Senate Intelligence Committee over the Defense department’s efforts to expand the involvement of U.S. Special Forces personnel in intelligence-gathering missions. Historically, Special Forces’ intelligence gathering has been limited to objectives directly related to upcoming military operations—"preparation of the battlefield," in military lingo. But, according to intelligence and defense officials, some Pentagon civilians for years have sought to expand the use of Special Forces for other intelligence missions.

 

Pentagon civilians and some Special Forces personnel believe CIA civilian managers have traditionally been too conservative in planning and executing the kind of undercover missions that Special Forces soldiers believe they can effectively conduct. CIA traditionalists are believed to be adamantly opposed to ceding any authority to the Pentagon. Until now, Pentagon proposals for a capability to send soldiers out on intelligence missions without direct CIA approval or participation have been shot down. But counter-terrorist strike squads, even operating covertly, could be deemed to fall within the Defense department’s orbit.

 

The interim government of Prime Minister Ayad Allawi is said to be among the most forthright proponents of the Salvador option. Maj. Gen.Muhammad Abdallah al-Shahwani, director of Iraq’s National Intelligence Service, may have been laying the groundwork for the idea with a series of interviews during the past ten days. Shahwani told the London-based Arabic daily Al-Sharq al-Awsat that the insurgent leadership—he named three former senior figures in the Saddam regime, including Saddam Hussein’s half-brother—were essentially safe across the border in a Syrian sanctuary. "We are certain that they are in Syria and move easily between Syrian and Iraqi territories," he said, adding that efforts to extradite them "have not borne fruit so far."

 

Shahwani also said that the U.S. occupation has failed to crack the problem of broad support for the insurgency. The insurgents, he said, "are mostly in the Sunni areas where the population there, almost 200,000, is sympathetic to them." He said most Iraqi people do not actively support the insurgents or provide them with material or logistical help, but at the same time they won’t turn them in. One military source involved in the Pentagon debate agrees that this is the crux of the problem, and he suggests that new offensive operations are needed that would create a fear of aiding the insurgency. "The Sunni population is paying no price for the support it is giving to the terrorists," he said. "From their point of view, it is cost-free. We have to change that equation."

 

 

Pentagon sources emphasize there has been no decision yet to launch the Salvador option. Last week, Rumsfeld decided to send a retired four-star general, Gary Luck, to Iraq on an open-ended mission to review the entire military strategy there. But with the U.S. Army strained to the breaking point, military strategists note that a dramatic new approach might be needed—perhaps one as potentially explosive as the Salvador option.

 

 

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How to train death squads and quash revolutions from San Salvador to Iraq

 

 

 

With Mark Hosenball

 

EDITOR'S NOTE: This report, initially published on Jan. 8, was updated on Jan. 10 to include Negroponte's comments to NEWSWEEK.

 

And at a news conference on Jan. 11, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said the idea of a Salvador option was "nonsense" and denied that U.S. Special Forces were going into Syria. But when asked whether such a policy was under consideration, he replied, "Why would I even talk about something like that?"

 

 

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How to covertly train paramilitaries, censor the press, ban unions, employ terrorists, conduct warrantless searches, suspend habeas corpus, conceal breaches of the Geneva Convention and make the population love it

 

 

JULIAN ASSANGE (investigative editor)

Monday June 15, 2008

 

Wikileaks has released a sensitive 219 page US military counterinsurgency manual. The manual, Foreign Internal Defense Tactics Techniques and Procedures for Special Forces (1994, 2004), may be critically described as "what we learned about running death squads and propping up corrupt government in Latin America and how to apply it to other places". Its contents are both history defining for Latin America and, given the continued role of US Special Forces in the suppression of insurgencies, including in Iraq and Afghanistan, history making.

 

The leaked manual, which has been verified with military sources, is the official US Special Forces doctrine for Foreign Internal Defense or FID.

 

FID operations are designed to prop up "friendly" governments facing popular revolution or guerilla insurgency. FID interventions are often covert or quasi-covert due to the unpopular nature of the governments being supported ("In formulating a realistic policy for the use of advisors, the commander must carefully gauge the psychological climate of the HN [Host Nation] and the United States.")

 

The manual directly advocates training paramilitaries, pervasive surveillance, censorship, press control and restrictions on labor unions & political parties. It directly advocates warrantless searches, detainment without charge and (under varying circumstances) the suspension of habeas corpus. It directly advocates employing terrorists or prosecuting individuals for terrorism who are not terrorists, running false flag operations and concealing human rights abuses from journalists. And it repeatedly advocates the use of subterfuge and "psychological operations" (propaganda) to make these and other "population & resource control" measures more palatable.

 

The content has been particularly informed by the long United States involvement in El Salvador.

 

In 2005 a number of credible media reports suggested the Pentagon was intensely debating "the Salvador option" for Iraq.[1]. According to the New York Times Magazine:

 

The template for Iraq today is not Vietnam, with which it has often been compared, but El Salvador, where a right-wing government backed by the United States fought a leftist insurgency in a 12-year war beginning in 1980. The cost was high — more than 70,000 people were killed, most of them civilians, in a country with a population of just six million. Most of the killing and torturing was done by the army and the right-wing death squads affiliated with it. According to an Amnesty International report in 2001, violations committed by the army and associated groups included ‘‘extrajudicial executions, other unlawful killings, ‘disappearances’ and torture. . . . Whole villages were targeted by the armed forces and their inhabitants massacred.’’ As part of President Reagan’s policy of supporting anti-Communist forces, hundreds of millions of dollars in United States aid was funneled to the Salvadoran Army, and a team of 55 Special Forces advisers, led for several years by Jim Steele, trained front-line battalions that were accused of significant human rights abuses.

 

The same article states James Steele and many other former Central American Special Forces "military advisors" have now been appointed at a high level to Iraq.

 

In 1993 a United Nations truth commission on El Salvador, which examined 22,000 atrocities that occurred during the twelve-year civil war, attributed 85 percent of the abuses to the US-backed El Salvador military and its paramilitary death squads.

 

It is worth noting what the US Ambassador to El Salvador, Robert E. White (now the president for the Center for International Policy) had to say as early as 1980, in State Department documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act:

 

The major, immediate threat to the existence of this government is the right-wing violence. In the city of San Salvador, the hired thugs of the extreme right, some of them well-trained Cuban and Nicaraguan terrorists, kill moderate left leaders and blow up government buildings. In the countryside, elements of the security forces torture and kill the campesinos, shoot up their houses and burn their crops. At least two hundred refugees from the countryside arrive daily in the capital city. This campaign of terror is radicalizing the rural areas just as surely as Somoza's National Guard did in Nicaragua. Unfortunately, the command structure of the army and the security forces either tolerates or encourages this activity. These senior officers believe or pretend to believe that they are eliminating the guerillas.[2]

 

Selected extracts follow. Note that the manual is 219 pages long and contains substantial material throughout. These extracts should merely be considered representative. Emphasis has been added for further selectivity. The full manual can be found at US Special Forces counter-insurgency manual FM 31-20-3.

 

 

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DISTRIBUTION RESTRICTION: Distribution authorized to U.S. Government agencies and their contractors only to protect technical or operational information from automatic dissemination under the International Exchange Program or by other means. This determination was made on 5 December 2003. Other requests for this document must be referred to Commander, United States Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School, ATTN: AOJK-DTD-SFD, Fort Bragg, North Carolina 28310-5000.

 

Destruction Notice: Destroy by any method that must prevent disclosure of contents or reconstruction of the document.

 

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Counterintelligence

 

[...]

 

Most of the counterintelligence measures used will be overt in nature and aimed at protecting installations, units, and information and detecting espionage, sabotage, and subversion. Examples of counterintelligence measures to use are

 

Background investigations and records checks of persons in sensitive positions and persons whose loyalty may be questionable.

Maintenance of files on organizations, locations, and individuals of counterintelligence interest.

Internal security inspections of installations and units.

Control of civilian movement within government-controlled areas.

Identification systems to minimize the chance of insurgents gaining access to installations or moving freely.

Unannounced searches and raids on suspected meeting places.

Censorship.

[...]

 

PSYOP [Psychological Operations] are essential to the success of PRC [Population & Resources Control]. For maximum effectiveness, a strong psychological operations effort is directed toward the families of the insurgents and their popular support base. The PSYOP aspect of the PRC program tries to make the imposition of control more palatable to the people by relating the necessity of controls to their safety and well-being. PSYOP efforts also try to create a favorable national or local government image and counter the effects of the insurgent propaganda effort.

 

Control Measures

 

SF [uS Special Forces] can advise and assist HN [Host Nation] forces in developing and implementing control measures. Among these measures are the following:

 

Security Forces. Police and other security forces use PRC [Population & Resources Control] measures to deprive the insurgent of support and to identify and locate members of his infrastructure. Appropriate PSYOP [Psychological Operations] help make these measures more acceptable to the population by explaining their need. The government informs the population that the PRC measures may cause an inconvenience but are necessary due to the actions of the insurgents.

Restrictions. Rights on the legality of detention or imprisonment of personnel (for example, habeas corpus) may be temporarily suspended. This measure must be taken as a last resort, since it may provide the insurgents with an effective propaganda theme. PRC [Population & Resources Control] measures can also include curfews or blackouts, travel restrictions, and restricted residential areas such as protected villages or resettlement areas. Registration and pass systems and control of sensitive items (resources control) and critical supplies such as weapons, food, and fuel are other PRC measures. Checkpoints, searches, roadblocks; surveillance, censorship, and press control; and restriction of activity that applies to selected groups (labor unions, political groups and the like) are further PRC measures.

[...]

 

Legal Considerations. All restrictions, controls, and DA measures must be governed by the legality of these methods and their impact on the populace. In countries where government authorities do not have wide latitude in controlling the population, special or emergency legislation must be enacted. This emergency legislation may include a form of martial law permitting government forces to search without warrant, to detain without bringing formal charges, and to execute other similar actions.

 

[...]

 

Psychological Operations

 

PSYOP can support the mission by discrediting the insurgent forces to neutral groups, creating dissension among the insurgents themselves, and supporting defector programs. Divisive programs create dissension, disorganization, low morale, subversion, and defection within the insurgent forces. Also important are national programs to win insurgents over to the government side with offers of amnesty and rewards. Motives for surrendering can range from personal rivalries and bitterness to disillusionment and discouragement. Pressure from the security forces has persuasive power.

 

[...]

 

Intelligence personnel must consider the parameters within which a revolutionary movement operates. Frequently, they establish a centralized intelligence processing center to collect and coordinate the amount of information required to make long-range intelligence estimates. Long-range intelligence focuses on the stable factors existing in an insurgency. For example, various demographic factors (ethnic, racial, social, economic, religious, and political characteristics of the area in which the underground movement takes places) are useful in identifying the members of the underground. Information about the underground organization at national, district, and local level is basic in FID [Foreign Internal Defense] and/or IDAD operations. Collection of specific short-range intelligence about the rapidly changing variables of a local situation is critical. Intelligence personnel must gather information on members of the underground, their movements, and their methods. Biographies and photos of suspected underground members, detailed information on their homes, families, education, work history, and associates are important features of short-range intelligence.

 

Destroying its tactical units is not enough to defeat the enemy. The insurgent's underground cells or infrastructure must be neutralized first because the infrastructure is his main source of tactical intelligence and political control. Eliminating the infrastructure within an area achieves two goals: it ensures the government's control of the area, and it cuts off the enemy's main source of intelligence. An intelligence and operations command center (IOCC) is needed at district or province level. This organization becomes the nerve center for operations against the insurgent infrastructure. Information on insurgent infrastructure targets should come from such sources as the national police and other established intelligence nets and agents and individuals (informants).

 

The highly specialized and sensitive nature of clandestine intelligence collection demands specially selected and highly trained agents. Information from clandestine sources is often highly sensitive and requires tight control to protect the source. However, tactical information upon which a combat response can be taken should be passed to the appropriate tactical level.

 

The spotting, assessment, and recruitment of an agent is not a haphazard process regardless of the type agent being sought. During the assessment phase, the case officer determines the individual's degree of intelligence, access to target, available or necessary cover, and motivation. He initiates the recruitment and coding action only after he determines the individual has the necessary attributes to fulfill the needs.

 

All agents are closely observed and those that are not reliable are relieved. A few well-targeted, reliable agents are better and more economical than a large number of poor ones.

 

A system is needed to evaluate the agents and the information they submit. The maintenance of an agent master dossier (possibly at the SFOD B level) can be useful in evaluating the agent on the value and quality of information he has submitted. The dossier must contain a copy of the agent's source data report and every intelligence report he submitted.

 

Security forces can induce individuals among the general populace to become informants. Security forces use various motives (civic-mindedness, patriotism, fear, punishment avoidance, gratitude, revenge or jealousy, financial rewards) as persuasive arguments. They use the assurance of protection from reprisal as a major inducement. Security forces must maintain the informant's anonymity and must conceal the transfer of information from the source to the security agent. The security agent and the informant may prearrange signals to coincide with everyday behavior.

 

Surveillance, the covert observation of persons and places, is a principal method of gaining and confirming intelligence information. Surveillance techniques naturally vary with the requirements of different situations. The basic procedures include mechanical observation (wiretaps or concealed microphones), observation from fixed locations, and physical surveillance of subjects.

 

Whenever a suspect is apprehended during an operation, a hasty interrogation takes place to gain immediate information that could be of tactical value. The most frequently used methods for gathering information (map studies and aerial observation), however, are normally unsuccessful. Most PWs cannot read a map. When they are taken on a visual reconnaissance flight, it is usually their first flight and they cannot associate an aerial view with what they saw on the ground.

 

The most successful interrogation method consists of a map study based on terrain information received from the detainee. The interrogator first asks the detainee what the sun's direction was when he left the base camp. From this information, he can determine a general direction. The interrogator then asks the detainee how long it took him to walk to the point where he was captured. Judging the terrain and the detainee's health, the interrogator can determine a general radius in which the base camp can be found (he can use an overlay for this purpose). He then asks the detainee to identify significant terrain features he saw on each day of his journey, (rivers, open areas, hills, rice paddies, swamps). As the detainee speaks and his memory is jogged, the interrogator finds these terrain features on a current map and gradually plots the detainee's route to finally locate the base camp.

 

If the interrogator is unable to speak the detainee's language, he interrogates through an interpreter who received a briefing beforehand. A recorder may also assist him. If the interrogator is not familiar with the area, personnel who are familiar with the area brief him before the interrogation and then join the interrogation team. The recorder allows the interrogator a more free-flowing interrogation. The recorder also lets a knowledgeable interpreter elaborate on points the detainee has mentioned without the interrogator interrupting the continuity established during a given sequence. The interpreter can also question certain inaccuracies, keeping pressure on the subject. The interpreter and the interrogator have to be well trained to work as a team. The interpreter has to be familiar with the interrogation procedures. His preinterrogation briefings must include information on the detainee's health, the circumstances resulting in his detention, and the specific information required. A successful interrogation is contingent upon continuity and a welltrained interpreter. A tape recorder (or a recorder taking notes) enhances continuity by freeing the interrogator from time-consuming administrative tasks.

 

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Political Structures .

 

A tightly disciplined party organization, formally structured to parallel the existing government hierarchy, may be found at the center of some insurgent movements. In most instances, this organizational structure will consist of committed organizations at the village, district province, and national levels. Within major divisions and sections of an insurgent military headquarters, totally distinct but parallel command channels exist. There are military chains of command and political channels of control. The party ensures complete domination over the military structure using its own parallel organization. It dominates through a political division in an insurgent military headquarters, a party cell or group in an insurgent military unit, or a political military officer.

 

[...]

 

Special Intelligence-Gathering Operations

 

Alternative intelligence-gathering techniques and sources, such as doppelganger or pseudo operations, can be tried and used when it is hard to obtain information from the civilian populace. These pseudo units are usually made up of ex-guerrilla and/or security force personnel posing as insurgents. They circulate among the civilian populace and, in some cases, infiltrate guerrilla units to gather information on guerrilla movements and its support infrastructure.

 

Much time and effort must be used to persuade insurgents to switch allegiance and serve with the security forces. Prospective candidates must be properly screened and then given a choice of serving with the HN [Host Nation] security forces or facing prosecution under HN law for terrorist crimes.

 

Government security force units and teams of varying size have been used in infiltration operations against underground and guerrilla forces. They have been especially effective in getting information on underground security and communications systems, the nature and extent of civilian support and underground liaison, underground supply methods, and possible collusion between local government officials and the underground. Before such a unit can be properly trained and disguised, however, much information about the appearance, mannerisms, and security procedures of enemy units must be gathered. Most of this information comes from defectors or reindoctrinated prisoners. Defectors also make excellent instructors and guides for an infiltrating unit. In using a disguised team, the selected men should be trained, oriented, and disguised to look and act like authentic underground or guerrilla units. In addition to acquiring valuable information, the infiltrating units can demoralize the insurgents to the extent that they become overly suspicious and distrustful of their own units.

 

[...]

 

After establishing the cordon and designating a holding area, the screening point or center is established. All civilians in the cordoned area will then pass through the screening center to be classified.

 

National police personnel will complete, if census data does not exist in the police files, a basic registration card and photograph all personnel over the age of 15. They print two copies of each photo- one is pasted to the registration card and the other to the village book (for possible use in later operations and to identify ralliers and informants).

 

The screening element leader ensures the screeners question relatives, friends, neighbors, and other knowledgeable individuals of guerrilla leaders or functionaries operating in the area on their whereabouts, activities, movements, and expected return.

 

The screening area must include areas where police and military intelligence personnel can privately interview selected individuals. The interrogators try to convince the interviewees that their cooperation will not be detected by the other inhabitants. They also discuss, during the interview, the availability of monetary rewards for certain types of information and equipment.

 

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Civilian Self-Defense Forces [Paramilitaries, or, especially in an El-Salvador or Colombian civil war context, right wing death squads]

 

When a village accepts the CSDF program, the insurgents cannot choose to ignore it. To let the village go unpunished will encourage other villages to accept the government's CSDF program. The insurgents have no choice; they have to attack the CSDF village to provide a lesson to other villages considering CSDF. In a sense, the psychological effectiveness of the CSDF concept starts by reversing the insurgent strategy of making the government the repressor. It forces the insurgents to cross a critical threshold-that of attacking and killing the very class of people they are supposed to be liberating.

 

To be successful, the CSDF program must have popular support from those directly involved or affected by it. The average peasant is not normally willing to fight to his death for his national government. His national government may have been a succession of corrupt dictators and inefficient bureaucrats. These governments are not the types of institutions that inspire fight-to-the-death emotions in the peasant. The village or town, however, is a different matter. The average peasant will fight much harder for his home and for his village than he ever would for his national government. The CSDF concept directly involves the peasant in the war and makes it a fight for the family and village instead of a fight for some faraway irrelevant government.

 

[...]

 

Members of the CSDF receive no pay for their civil duties. In most instances, however, they derive certain benefits from voluntary service. These benefits can range from priority of hire for CMO projects to a place at the head of ration lines. In El Salvador, CSDF personnel (they were called civil defense there) were given a U.S.-funded life insurance policy with the wife or next of kin as the beneficiary. If a CSDF member died in the line of duty, the widow or next of kin was ceremoniously paid by an HN official. The HN administered the program and a U.S. advisor who maintained accountability of the funds verified the payment. The HN [Host Nation] exercises administrative and visible control.

 

Responsiveness and speedy payment are essential in this process since the widow normally does not have a means of support and the psychological effect of the government assisting her in her time of grief impacts on the entire community. These and other benefits offered by or through the HN government are valuable incentives for recruiting and sustaining the CSDF.

 

[...]

 

The local CSDF members select their leaders and deputy leaders (CSDF groups and teams) in elections organized by the local authorities. In some cases, the HN [Host Nation] appoints a leader who is a specially selected member of the HN security forces trained to carry out this task. Such appointments occurred in El Salvador where the armed forces have established a formal school to train CSDF commanders. Extreme care and close supervision are required to avoid abuses by CSDF leaders.

 

[...]

 

The organization of a CSDF can be similar to that of a combat group. This organization is effective in both rural and urban settings. For example, a basic group, having a strength of 107 members, is broken down into three 35-man elements plus a headquarters element of 2 personnel. Each 35-man element is further broken down into three 1 l-man teams and a headquarters element of 2 personnel. Each team consists of a team leader, an assistant team leader, and three 3-man cells. This organization can be modified to accommodate the number of citizens available to serve.

 

[...]

 

Weapons training for the CSDF personnel is critical. Skill at arms decides the outcome of battle and must be stressed. Of equal importance is the maintenance and care of weapons. CSDF members are taught basic rifle marksmanship with special emphasis on firing from fixed positions and during conditions of limited visibility. Also included in the marksmanship training program are target detection and fire discipline.

 

Training ammunition is usually allocated to the CSDF on the basis of a specified number of rounds for each authorized weapon. A supporting HN government force or an established CSDF logistic source provides the ammunition to support refresher training.

 

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Acts of misconduct by HN [Host Nation] personnel

 

All members of training assistance teams must understand their responsibilities concerning acts of misconduct by HN personnel. Team members receive briefings before deployment on what to do if they encounter or observe such acts. Common Article 3 of the four Geneva Conventions lists prohibited acts by parties to the convention. Such acts are-

 

Violence to life and person, in particular, murder, mutilation, cruel treatment, and torture.

Taking of hostages.

Outrages against personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment.

Passing out sentences and carrying out executions without previous judgment by a regularly constituted court that affords all the official guarantees that are recog-nized as indispensable by civilized people.

 

The provisions in the above paragraph represent a level of conduct that the United States expects each foreign country to observe.

 

If team members encounter prohibited acts they can not stop, they will disengage from the activity, leave the area if possible, and report the incidents immediately to the proper in-country U.S. authorities. The country team will identify proper U.S. authorities during the team's initial briefing. Team members will not discuss such matters with non-U.S. Government authorities such as journalists and civilian contractors.

 

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Most insurgents' doctrinal and training documents stress the use of pressure-type mines in the more isolated or less populated areas. They prefer using commandtype mines in densely populated areas. These documents stress that when using noncommand-detonated mines, the insurgents use every means to inform the local populace on their location, commensurate with security regulations. In reality, most insurgent groups suffer from various degrees of deficiency in their C2 [Command & Control] systems. Their C2 does not permit them to verify that those elements at the operational level strictly follow directives and orders. In the case of the Frente Farabundo Marti de la Liberation Nacional (FMLN) in El Salvador, the individual that emplaces the mine is responsible for its recovery after the engagement. There are problems with this concept. The individual may be killed or the security forces may gain control of the area. Therefore, the recovery of the mine is next to impossible.

 

[...]

 

Homemade antipersonnel mines are used extensively in El Salvador, Guatemala and Malaysia. (Eighty percent of all El Salvadoran armed forces casualties in 1986 were due to mines; in 1987, soldiers wounded by mines and booby traps averaged 50 to 60 per month.) The important point to remember is that any homemade mine is the product of the resources available to the insurgent group. Therefore, no two antipersonnel mines may be the same in their configuration and materials. Insurgent groups depend to a great extent on materials discarded or lost by security forces personnel. The insurgents not only use weapons, ammunition, mines, grenades, and demolitions for their original purpose but also in preparing expedient mines and booby traps.

 

[...]

 

A series of successful minings carried out by the Viet Cong insurgents on the Cua Viet River, Quang Tri Province, demonstrated their resourcefulness in countering minesweeping tactics. Initially, chain-dragging sweeps took place morning and evening. After several successful mining attacks, it was apparent that they laid the mines after the minesweepers passed. Then, the boats using the river formed into convoys and transited the river with minesweepers 914 meters ahead oft he convoy. Nevertheless, boats of the convoy were successfully mined in mid-channel, indicating that the mines were again laid after the minesweeper had passed, possibly by using sampans. Several sampans were observed crossing or otherwise using the channel between the minesweepers and the convoy. The convoys were then organized so that the minesweepers worked immediately ahead of the convoy. One convoy successfully passed. The next convoy had its minesweepers mined and ambushed close to the river banks.

 

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Military Advisors

 

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Psychologically pressuring the HN [Host Nation] counterpart may sometimes be successful. Forms of psychological pressure may range from the obvious to the subtle. The advisor never applies direct threats, pressure, or intimidation on his counterpart Indirect psychological pressure may be applied by taking an issue up the chain of command to a higher U.S. commander. The U.S. commander can then bring his counterpart to force the subordinate counterpart to comply. Psychological pressure may obtain quick results but may have very negative side effects. The counterpart will feel alienated and possibly hostile if the advisor uses such techniques. Offers of payment in the form of valuables may cause him to become resentful of the obvious control being exerted over him. In short, psychologically pressuring a counterpart is not recommended. Such pressure is used only as a last resort since it may irreparably damage the relationship between the advisor and his counterpart

 

PSYOP [Psychological Operations] Support for Military Advisors

 

The introduction of military advisors requires preparing the populace with which the advisors are going to work. Before advisors enter a country, the HN [Host Nation] government carefully explains their introduction and clearly emphasizes the benefits of their presence to the citizens. It must provide a credible justification to minimize the obvious propaganda benefits the insurgents could derive from this action. The country's dissenting elements label our actions, no matter how well-intended, an "imperialistic intervention."

 

Once advisors are committed, their activities should be exploited. Their successful integration into the HN [Host Nation] society and their respect for local customs and mores, as well as their involvement with CA [Civil Affairs] projects, are constantly brought to light. In formulating a realistic policy for the use of advisors, the commander must carefully gauge the psychological climate of the HN [Host Nation] and the United States.

 

[...]

 

PRC [Population & Resources Control] Operations.

 

Advisors assist their counterparts in developing proper control plans and training programs for PRC measures. They also help coordinate plans and requests for materiel and submit recommendations to improve the overall effectiveness of operations. They can be helpful in preparing to initiate control.

 

Select, organize, and train paramilitary and irregular forces.

Develop PSYOP [Psychological Operations] activities to support PRC operations.

Coordinate activities through an area coordination center (if established).

Establish and refine PRC operations.

Intensify intelligence activities.

Establish and refine coordination and communications with other agencies.

References

↑ Newsweek.Special Forces May Train Assassins, Kidnappers in Iraq by Michael Hirsh & John Barry, Jan. 14, 2005, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6802629/site/newsweek/ print/1/displaymode/1098/

↑ US State Department, FOIA record

[Nur]

Billions of tax payers money is spent to deny freedom to poor nations like Somalia, so many "experts", writing so many pages of occupation plans, so much weopons, and technology, and so many advisors for the Ethiopian Dictator and his Somali uncle Toms, yet, money stolen from American Tax Payers failed to outlast the will of the somali people for true freedom under Allah alone.

 

The Somali people have made their choice, they dont want war, warlords, the CIA and Ethiopian equipped and financed "government". And contrary to the official lies of the American Zionist owned Media, Somali resistance fighters have nothing to do with AlQaeda.

 

 

Nur

[Biixi]

No mystery they were clan based and people saw their true colors.

[Nur]

You may be right in a way, all Somali clans are somehow involved in this movement, otherwise it would be ludicrous for a single clan to pull a trick this big and such a short time and succeed against all odds, their newly adobted clan is called, Islam.

 

So, from your point of view, is the answer more of clan politics, the only thing the TFG knows of or you have a non Clan based solution bro?

 

Nur

[NGONGE]

So, how do your endless feel good reports about the Islamic Courts reconcile with their constant bumbling and mistakes, xaaji Nur? Put conspiracy theories aside and, for once, deal with facts, xaaji.

 

Do you think their fall did not have anything to do with their political naivety?

 

Do you believe they were right to challenge Ethiopia and refuse to follow the peaceful (though, understandably, undesirable) option of sitting down and thrashing a deal with the TFG?

 

Do you think their current squabbles and breakdown is down to the CIA, Ethiopia or even green men from Mars? How do you explain this or do you even acknowledge it at all?

 

In light of their recent contradictory messages, do you think should they ever come back to power they are not likely to make the same mistakes again?

 

Deal with facts, Xaaji and do not insult the intelligence of your readers with half-baked conspiracy theories.

 

Who are the Islamic Courts today? The Shabaab or Sh. Sharif and his Djibouti followers?

[dhulQarnayn]

To the moderator:

 

Don't you think it'd better to post this thread in the politics side of the SOL Forums? Last I checked, this section was solely designed for exchange of ideas on Islam.

 

dhulQarnayn :cool:

Republic Of California

[Nur]

Ngonge bro.

 

Good to hear from you saaxib, you are missed here.

 

You write:

 

" So, how do your endless feel good reports about the Islamic Courts reconcile with their constant bumbling and mistakes, xaaji Nur? Put conspiracy theories aside and, for once, deal with facts, xaaji ."

 

 

Answer:

 

Well, I am an agent of hope, not despair and surrender. Ngonge bro., in your right mind do you think that their adversaries have none of the bumblimg and the mistakes? wake up pal, its only a game, Muslims play by a rule from Allah, others play politics which has no bounderies of morality. The Somali resistance may have started with the name of the ICU, but the torch of light of freedom is being passed to a generation after another, one thing is permanent, there will always be evil, and there will always be a resistance to evil, and there will always be skeptics of change and there will be champions for a just cause like ours, I made my choice saaxib, I champion Islam all the way and I am neither sorry nor sad nor ashamed of my principles, in bad times as well as good times, you are entitled to yours.

 

 

You write:

 

" Do you think their fall did not have anything to do with their political naivety ?"

 

 

Answer:

 

Political naivety is not the reason for their fall, because the politically advanced American and Ethiopian and there stooges the TFG are losing big as we talk, if that was a reason .

 

A plant in order to grow, begins with a seed, the right soil, season, watering or rain at the right times, pest control, and finally harvesting. Likewise, the seeds of Islamic revival was planted in Somlia, and for harvest, Sunan of Allah will take its course, The ICU did not plan out their short lived victory, it was handed over to them by Allah SWT as a mercy after 16 years of oppression by the CIA financed Warlord criminals who are the TFG, the steps for a final success will depend on the learning curve, which in short two years, the Somali resistance as a whole has matured and are on the verge of routing the well financed and equipped and politically Pinocchio adversaries, despite the apparent divisions ( on strategies only ).

 

 

You Write

 

" Do you believe they were right to challenge Ethiopia and refuse to follow the peaceful (though, understandably, undesirable) option of sitting down and thrashing a deal with the TFG? "

 

 

Answer:

 

It was not Ethiopia that the ICU challenged, dont be so naive and give Ethiopia more than its weight, Ethiopia is a regional client on a payroll, the ICU challenged the world order that enslaves the planet, as Muslims, they simply refused to bow for other than Allah (which is the real pleasure and joy in this life). Do you have problem with true freedom saaxib? even if it comes at a cost, like dying for your principles? or living as a slave to other slaves is your choice in this life?

 

 

You write:

 

" Do you think their current squabbles and breakdown is down to the CIA, Ethiopia or even green men from Mars? How do you explain this or do you even acknowledge it at all ?

 

 

Saaxib.

 

I know that you are a believer of the Coincidnece theory, and that FOX news and CNN are always telling us the truth, that there are no hidden agendas in policies that caused non-exsistent poverty in the third world prior to 1960, that politicians are honest peace brokers, that the CIA is fighting mosquitoes in Somalia to save Somali Children, and that their Military equipment and shipments to the Ethiopians and TFG are advanced Malaria medications. Saaxib, there is another side to this story, which you are adamant in its rejection, time will tell inshallah who is right, Falaa tastacjiluun!

 

 

You write:

 

" In light of their recent contradictory messages, do you think should they ever come back to power they are not likely to make the same mistakes again ?"

 

Answer"

 

Well, its not neccessarily the ICU this time around, just like Obama is not Jefferson (the slave owner), events on the ground are changing with time, so are players, time changes people, but people cant change time, but one think will remain constant forever, in face of tyranny, some people will always struggle for justice, while some will be uncle toms, very comfortables in their shackles.

 

 

You write:

 

" Deal with facts, Xaaji and do not insult the intelligence of your readers with half-baked conspiracy theories ."

 

 

Answer:

 

Can you share with us your fully cooked Conicidence Theories for a change to counterbalance mine? If my memory doesn't fail me, I read somewhere that you are a good cook!

 

 

You write:

 

" Who are the Islamic Courts today? The Shabaab or Sh. Sharif and his Djibouti followers ?

 

 

Answer:

 

If you dont know this by now, its time to change channels.

 

 

DhulQarneyn bro.

 

Can you please tell us what is your understanding of the differece of Islam and Politics? So that we can post every topic where it belongs?

 

Nur

[NGONGE]

Heh. I did not mean to rattle you there, xaaji. But you are not giving any quantifiable replies here (nor in your first post).

 

Now, unlike Mr Rumsfield with his known unknowns and unknown unknowns, I tend to deal with facts.

 

First and to get the little digs out of the way, as Muslims, we ALL want to see Islam prevail. How it prevails is where we differ. So, even though I would not agree with you or sit in the same table with (my perception of) your version of Islam – in the Somali context - I do want to see Muslims prevail.

 

Now the facts.

 

Fact one: Sh. Sharif, in his capacity as the spokesperson of the Islamic Courts huffed and puffed and dared the Ethiopians (they story about who their bosses are is simply your word and nothing more than that. Give me proof otherwise and I will gladly accept your version of events). They (the Ethiopians) in turn found an excuse to invade and defeat the Courts. These are the facts.

 

Sh. Sharif and his colleagues were the people you were supporting not that long ago. Today he is sitting down with the TFG and all manner of people who disgusted him in the past. Today he dropped that kalshinkoff he was brandishing two years ago and is talking about peace! This is the man you supported (in fact, I recall you calling him a capable man once). Yet, Sh Sharif did not abandon the Islamic cause (according to him). He is still perusing it by a different route. Is he the one you still support, I wonder!

 

Fact two: The resistance is made up of all sorts of groups and people. Amongst them, the infamous Shabaab. Their cause is noble, execution rotten. Are they the ones you are supporting?

 

Come on, have the strength of your convictions (as you bragged about earlier) and tell me. Don't ask me to find out for myself. You volunteered this subject on a discussion forum and to face questions such as mine should have been expected.

 

As for the conspiracy theories and coincidence theory (nice touch by the way), I am not at all anti conspiracy theories. Some of them might turn out to be true and your one has a very good probability of being true - in light of American loathing of all Islamic groupings and their previous protestations of terrorist groups operating in Somalia – however, you present these musings as fact and that is what I pick you up on.

 

CNN, Fox and Al Jazeera present us (almost always) with facts. That they stretch these facts to suit their own ends is expected and, most reasonable people would allow for that when making up their minds. But, more importantly, these channels are merely broadcasting the news. When they tell me a young girl was stoned in a Somali city, the cynic in me raises his head and asks for proof. When they bring me her father testifying that she was under age and was raped I start to waver. When the other side start talking about her confessing yet do not mention if she was married or not, I waver some more.

 

You see, Nur, I go by facts (or at least what convincingly appears like a fact). I do not go by arguments of something that (allegedly) took place in Iraq and therefore it is certain to have taken place in Somalia.

 

The short and long of it is that there is so much negative news coming out of the Islamic resistance's corner (even after sifting through TFG, Ethiopian and American propaganda). My problem - and, really, the problem of any reasonable person – is that their pronouncements, actions and overall behaviour do not encourage me to hope for a happy resolution to their struggle. They also do not inspire confidence in their (as you hope) eventual (probably short lived again) rule.

 

When the Courts appeared in 2006 I remember asking you about their plans and how were they going to sail through the shark infested international political waters. Ha o bixin, you said. These guys know what they are doing and, amongst them are found many educated and experienced brothers. Well, the educated and experienced brothers messed up and lost in the war of words and politics (not to mention the real one of guns and bullets).

 

In keeping with that theme, everything is indeed up to Allah in the end, lakin la yolda'co mo'menon min joxrin marataan, xaaji. Allah is the final arbiter but he (sw) gave us the brains to think and make the right choices. Are these people you support making the right choices? When? Where and How? You never mention any of that in your feel good reports; you always waste your time (and ours) by fighting windmills.

 

Marka, xaaji, bal xisaabtada ku so noqo and don't let your hopes and wishes overtake your common sense.

[ElPunto]

^Walle - you are really turning on the screws there Ngonge. I look forward to Nur's reply.

[Nur]

Ngonge bro.

 

You write:

 

" Heh. I did not mean to rattle you there, xaaji. But you are not giving any quantifiable replies here (nor in your first post )."

 

 

Answer:

 

I fail to see a question of yours that requires an exact quantifiable answer, I read your questions twice to make sure, you seem to throw words around here and there without paying attention to there meaning.

 

Just to help you saaxib, a question that begins with " Do you think, Do you believe, how do your endless feel good reports, who are the Islamic courts" is known to beg a qualitative answer, not quantitative, there is nothing measurable in your questions.

 

 

You Write:

 

" Now, unlike Mr Rumsfield with his known unknowns and unknown unknowns, I tend to deal with facts ."

 

Answer:

 

It all depends on who reports the facts you are reading unless you are an eyewitness. Mine, are from Chatham House and Amnesty International, showing the attrocities of the Ethiopians, burning of villages, documented pictures taken by US Sattelite pictures, and their subsequent rape and genocide of Somali women in Western Somalia, and Chatham Houses report on US and Ethiopian special Interest in defeating the ICU and maintaining the chaos in Somalia, both reports are on my threads.

 

 

You write:

 

" First and to get the little digs out of the way, as Muslims, we ALL want to see Islam prevail. How it prevails is where we differ. So, even though I would not agree with you or sit in the same table with (my perception of) your version of Islam – in the Somali context - I do want to see Muslims prevail ."

 

 

Answer:

 

Where do you see our versions of Islam differ from mine, may be this is the best way to start a healthy debate.

 

 

You write:

 

" Now the facts."

 

Answer:

 

About Time!

 

 

You write:

 

" Fact one: Sh. Sharif, in his capacity as the spokesperson of the Islamic Courts huffed and puffed and dared the Ethiopians (they story about who their bosses are is simply your word and nothing more than that. Give me proof otherwise and I will gladly accept your version of events). They (the Ethiopians) in turn found an excuse to invade and defeat the Courts. These are the facts. Sh. Sharif and his colleagues were the people you were supporting not that long ago. Today he is sitting down with the TFG and all manner of people who disgusted him in the past. Today he dropped that kalshinkoff he was brandishing two years ago and is talking about peace! This is the man you supported (in fact, I recall you calling him a capable man once). Yet, Sh Sharif did not abandon the Islamic cause (according to him). He is still perusing it by a different route. Is he the one you still support, I wonder !

 

 

Answer:

 

First, Lets ask; Who are Ethiopia's sponsors in this war?

 

Its not my claim, the US has openly admitted to a tacit support of Ethiopian invasion, major newspapers have reported that the US is giving military air support for the Ethiopians as well as financial and logistical support, the documents are publicly available at US Congress records, this was not Nicaragwa Contra affair, it was an overt US war on Terror targetting the ICU in broad daylight along.

 

Secondly:

 

In Islam, we evaluate people with how much they adhere to Islamic principles, not the other way around. Islamic principles are constant since Allah revealed them, people on the otherhand, knowingly or unknowingly can flip flop on their positions. Allah SWT warned Prophet Muhammad in Quraan:

 

" Wa lowlaa an Thabbatnaaka laqad kidta tarkanu ileyhim shey an qaliilaa, Idhan la adhaqnaaka dicfal xayaati wa dicfal mamaati thumma laa tajidu laka caleynaa nasiiraa " meaning " ( O Mohammad), if We have not held you firm (on your position against Quresih) you would have leaned (in reconciliation in error) on their side, in that case, We would have made you taste twice the (punishment) of the worldly life, and twice the (punishment of the hereafter, and then, you would not have found a rescuer from US"

 

The point here is if Muhammad SAWS was in dire need to be made firm, then we all need to seek Allah's help to make us firm.

 

Do I agree with Sheikh Shareef on everything? No, do I still have the same respect I had for him, Yes.

 

The problem with both sides of the despute is that each one has a single tool, either political or military, I firmly believe that the Somali resistance needs both, with varying combinations depending on the situation, just like the Irish Republican Army, the ICU political wing without a strong military wing has no chance, and the same goes for the militant side. If there is a mistake, it is a combined mistake, but in my opinion, there are times when a political solution is wiser ( not breaking any Islamic rules) and when a military solution is wiser ( not marginializing allies). Resistance to foreign occupation should never stop as long as an enemy is in Somalia soil.

 

You write:

 

" Fact two: The resistance is made up of all sorts of groups and people. Amongst them, the infamous Shabaab. Their cause is noble, execution rotten. Are they the ones you are supporting? "

 

Answer:

 

Where do you get the fact that execution of their cause is rotten?, please back this up with reliable sources, (A neutral source). As for my moral and emotional support, it goes for all those active in any way to lead Somalia to a permanent peace through Islam alone, all those who are sincerely trying to protect the lives, property and faith of Somalis from harms way and its enemies deserve my respect. The ICU did that in 2006, and today the Somali resistance is collectively liberating the land from the warlords and their patrons, inside and outside, I do not belong to any of the groups you have mentioned, my current job is a champion of Islamic principles on SOL since 2001, are you taunting me to join the resistance to get rid of me? I thought you like me as a moderator, not a martyr, saaxib?

 

You write:

 

" As for the conspiracy theories and coincidence theory (nice touch by the way), I am not at all anti conspiracy theories. Some of them might turn out to be true and your one has a very good probability of being true - in light of American loathing of all Islamic groupings and their previous protestations of terrorist groups operating in Somalia – however, you present these musings as fact and that is what I pick you up on."

 

Answer:

 

 

Saaxib, what is yor criteria of what is a fact and what is not? you seem to have two yardsticks, one for yourself and one for me?

 

 

You write:

 

" CNN, Fox and Al Jazeera present us (almost always) with facts. That they stretch these facts to suit their own ends is expected and, most reasonable people would allow for that when making up their minds. But, more importantly, these channels are merely broadcasting the news. When they tell me a young girl was stoned in a Somali city, the cynic in me raises his head and asks for proof. When they bring me her father testifying that she was under age and was raped I start to waver. When the other side start talking about her confessing yet do not mention if she was married or not, I waver some more ."

 

 

Anawer:

 

Saaxib,When an ignorant mob takes a law, any law to its hand, this misfortune and more are expected, it happened during the French Revolution, it happened in Kenya and Burundi, by Christian Priests , Is Chriatianity that bad? nope, its the people, you and me know that what the mob did had nothing to do with Islam, unfortunately, the news used this piece of human failing as an Islamic Law. Come to think of it, let us assume that we adobt the Secular law, how do we explain what happened to black Americans who were executed for no crime at all? all the killing in Vietnam, the Holocaust, attricities of Abu Ghureib, Guantanamo?. I am sure that no western ethics or faith supports such actions, its simply human errors, so, be objective saaxib.

 

 

You write:

 

" You see, Nur, I go by facts (or at least what convincingly appears like a fact). I do not go by arguments of something that (allegedly) took place in Iraq and therefore it is certain to have taken place in Somalia ."

 

Answer:

 

Saaxib, the article reads "mysteries, NOT FACTS" , you are having a field day on abuse of this "FACT" word, my suggestion was never presneted as as a fact, but as a point to ponder, to debate if indeed what happened in Iraq has already happened in Somalia to divide and weaken the resistance, since Ethiopia is a US client and a DECLARED US ALLY ON FIGHTING WHAT IS KNOWN AS "TERROR" ( aka ISLAM).

 

 

You write:

 

" The short and long of it is that there is so much negative news coming out of the Islamic resistance's corner (even after sifting through TFG, Ethiopian and American propaganda). My problem - and, really, the problem of any reasonable person – is that their pronouncements, actions and overall behaviour do not encourage me to hope for a happy resolution to their struggle. They also do not inspire confidence in their (as you hope) eventual (probably short lived again) rule ."

 

 

Answer:

 

Allah SWT says in Quraan: O you who believe, if a faasiq ( outlaw of Allah's law) brings you a piece of information, verify it" Saaxib, how many of the news items you read have you cross verified?

 

 

You write:

 

" When the Courts appeared in 2006 I remember asking you about their plans and how were they going to sail through the shark infested international political waters. Ha o bixin, you said. These guys know what they are doing and, amongst them are found many educated and experienced brothers. Well, the educated and experienced brothers messed up and lost in the war of words and politics (not to mention the real one of guns and bullets)."

 

Answer:

 

Its true that I trusted their political Judgement, Dr. Ibrahim Addou, being their Foreign Affairs spokesman, ( Dual Masters in Education and political Science, and a PhD from AU in Washington DC). However, in popular revolutions, the masses at times, overtake the wise men. Should we be heartbroken, Nope, its another challenge, and if we are persistent enough, we shall overcome barriers from within and from without. Being defeated begins with loss of will to change events to ones advantage.

 

 

You write:

 

" In keeping with that theme, everything is indeed up to Allah in the end ,"

 

 

Answer:

 

100% Ileyhi yarjacul amru kulluh!

 

 

You write:

 

" lakin la yolda'co mo'menon min joxrin marataan, xaaji."

 

 

Answer:

 

Agree again!

 

 

You write:

 

" Allah is the final arbiter but he (sw) gave us the brains to think and make the right choices. Are these people you support making the right choices? When? Where and How? You never mention any of that in your feel good reports; you always waste your time (and ours) by fighting windmills ."

 

 

Answer:

 

Saaxib, Like you said, Allah is the final arbiter, He is also a factor in this war, a popular weak and a divided group seems to be routing a superior group with international legitimacy, TFG clowns just admitted that there is no government in Somalia, which we knew all along.

 

is the resistance making the right choices all the time, No, even Muslims in Uxud battle lost after making the wrong choice. As for the how and when, I am not an imbedded Journalist, but I seek information from more reliable sources than yours, which makes me happy all the time, and infuriates our adversaries.

 

 

You write:

 

"Marka, xaaji, bal xisaabtada ku so noqo and don't let your hopes and wishes overtake your common sen Allah is the final arbiter but he (sw) gave us the brains to think and make the right choices. Are these people you support making the right choices? When? Where and How? You never mention any of that in your feel good reports; you always waste your time (and ours) by fighting windmills

 

 

Answer:

 

Saaxib, my hopes are tied to Allah SWT alone, and anyone who ties his / her hopes with Allah, Allah is their Xasab, as Allah says in Quraan:

" Wa man yatawakal calal Allahi fa huwa xasbuh " because only the faasiquun, the evil livers feel despair in face of trials according to Quraan.

 

 

Nur

[NGONGE]

Salam again, saaxib. Your last reply is much better. But must I always squeeze your real opinions out of you in such a way? Ma caleena (I do enjoy it if truth be told).

 

I am now happy with your position and don't need to quiz you further. Of course, there are some areas where we would never see eye to eye but, as they say, that's by the by.

 

Still, a few clarifications as to why I picked you up on this.

 

First, your first post did imply that this is a fact. You can split hairs all you like but when you say:

 

 

“The following reports about American involvement in Iraq is an indicator of what had happened to the Islamic Courts Union of Somalia, just interchange Somalia for Iraq and you get the picture of how the Somali resistance was weakened and defeated “.

 

You implicitly give the impression that is a fact. Since you now explained things further lets leave it as simply being an unfortunate case of choosing the wrong words.

 

Secondly, my questions were not about an issue that is new or unknown. Someone that is following Somali events could easily understand what I am getting at and reply accordingly. That I gave you scope there, was to allow you room to express yourself and wriggle(if you had to) without being restricted by a yes or no question. For the sake of pedantry though, I shall bow to your superior knowledge of the English language and withdraw the use of the word quantifiable. Lets just say that your (second) reply was measured and found wanting.

 

Thirdly, I do not reject ALL of your reports. I only reject the conspiracy theory ones. Let us be clear on that point, only the conspiracy theory ones.

 

Fourthly, our versions of Islam do not differ much. But that is only because you finally chose to come clean and declare your position rather than hide behind flowery language and feel good reports. If all you write is praise of these movements without ONCE acknowledging their numerous shortcomings, how am I (we) to know that you are not yet another blinkered fan?

 

I am fine with the rest of what you wrote there and happy to read all your future reports (conspiracy theories and all). As long as you acknowledge there are faults and hope for their correction I am on your side. But to know I am on the right side, I (and many of the readers I bet) would want to see you touch upon these issues from time to time. Feel good reports on their own give the whiff of propaganda you see.

 

Carry on..

[dhulQarnayn]

^^^Now I definitely did not waste my time reading that post-- Kudos to you, my Zulu friend

 

dhulQarnayn :cool:

Republic Of California

[Nur]

Ngonge bro.

 

You write:

 

" First, your first post did imply that this is a fact. You can split hairs all you like but when you say: “The following reports about American involvement in Iraq is an indicator of what had happened to the Islamic Courts Union of Somalia, just interchange Somalia for Iraq and you get the picture of how the Somali resistance was weakened and defeated “."

 

 

Answer:

 

You are right, the word ( IS ) is indeed misleading, a better choice would have been ( May be ).

 

 

You write:

 

" Thirdly, I do not reject ALL of your reports. I only reject the conspiracy theory ones. Let us be clear on that point, only the conspiracy theory ones ."

 

Answer:

 

Please dont reject ALL Conspiracy Theories, and do not accept ALL COINCIDENCE THEORIES, you see brother, when those who do injustice to you own the entire media, its not easy to digest ALL of the COINCIDENCE THEEORIES! A simple eNuri rule of thumb says: ,When in doubt, only trust news by your friends.

 

A CONSPIRACY THEORY IS ONLY TRUE WHEN PEOPLE REFUSE TO BELIEVE IN THEM . When it comes to mainstream news, Dont believe ALL You hear, and HALF of what you see! (Sayings).

 

 

You write:

 

" Fourthly, our versions of Islam do not differ much. But that is only because you finally chose to come clean and declare your position rather than hide behind flowery language and feel good reports. If all you write is praise of these movements without ONCE acknowledging their numerous shortcomings, how am I (we) to know that you are not yet another blinkered fan ?"

 

 

Answer:

 

As a moderator, I go out of my way NOT to explicitly show my true stand on divisive issues, a critical reader may get a drift, but, I leave a lot of room to a readers discretion, however, with your heart piercing questions, no room was left this time around to manuever in order to safeguard my self imposed gag-rule on sharing my positions on current contraversial issues in the Somali political arena. Its an eNuri trademark to bring our people together, not help division, as i do not belong to any specific group, which gives me the freedom to speak on the issues rather about the players, because speaking about issues are likely not to insult intelligence, while, speaking ill of players can be a hot potatoe ( Exception to this rule are the Warlords, for whom I dedicated my Somali Anarchist Threads ). A lasting eNuri Tagline is : We Attack Problems, Not People !

 

 

You write:

 

" I am fine with the rest of what you wrote there and happy to read all your future reports (conspiracy theories and all). As long as you acknowledge there are faults and hope for their correction I am on your side. But to know I am on the right side, I (and many of the readers I bet) would want to see you touch upon these issues from time to time. Feel good reports on their own give the whiff of propaganda you see ."

 

 

Answer:

 

Your remarks remind me of an incident that took place during the famous battle of Dhagax Tuur ( Mogadishu Stone Throwing Revolt, Before Gazza), in Mogadishu, during the Somali Youth(Shabaab ) League's ( SYL) resistance and fight for liberation from Italian occupation," The feel-Good-Reports Faarax " who was telling his comrades that the Italian guns where simply a ( Baaruud, Fire Cracker ) sounds, was refuted by a comrade (Ngonge)who was hit by a real bullet. The Feel-Good-Faarax had to muffle the cries of the wounded Comrade to safeguard the morale and zeal of his compatriots who were throwing rocks at advancing Italian troops with live bullets.

 

 

Brother, I acknowledge faults, and there are quite many, but, my greatest fear is to add to the plethora of divisive mindless wannabees who thive on pointing at the resistance's faults without providing practical solutions. They are like flies, they seek out wounds, not to heal them, but to further in-flame our national wounds.

 

 

Brother, We need peace, its about time, we need unity, we need reconciliation, we need wisdom, we do dont need to create more enemies than we already have, we need to be respected for our unyielding prinicples, and we equally need to respect others, we need to live with our principles and we need to know when to accept a genuine offer for peace ( NOT A TRICK ,) an old eNuri post has the definition of Somali peace as ( Period To Plan Out Next Round Of Cheating ). What we dont need is splinter groups, who are in bed with the Ethiopians while angry at their brothers.

 

A Saying goes like this: When you have a hammar, everything looks like a nail. Now, the eNuri Converse says: When you are a NAIL ( Somalis), everyone looks like a Hammar ( enemy), this is the reason for my inclination to believe in the Conspiracy theory saaxib, and rightfully so, we are tired of being clubbed by so many interst groups, and now just when we thought we where out of the woods, that we got rid of the Warlords for the second time, our American CIA and Warlord tag team are working with the Pirates they created to make an international mess to justify an international intervention to deny the Somali resistance to set up a government that serves the Somali People's interest. ( my newest Conspiracy Theory )

 

I appreciate your piercing questions and grace, like you, I have my faults, and a bit more, I bet, I can beat you in that turf, I hold the ( UKG) trophy , the Undisputable King of Goofiness.

 

 

Nur

[Nur]

As predicted by eNuri a year ago, (Last post on this thread, last paragraph), the US is using predator planes to fight the Somali Resistance forces in the southern coastal towns to help the ailing TFG Warlord government of Somalia, which it helped create with the assistance of Client organization of African Union (A Corrupt Organization) and Ethiopia ( Somalia's Historical Enemy) to help establish, a Warlord government to serve what is perceived as the "American Interests in the region".

 

By "Coincidence", (Recently, one Predator plane was shot down over Somali town, Kismayo skies, which exposed the secret American war against Somali resistance fighters, while the whole world is fixated on American adventures in Afghanistan. After the loss of that Predator plane, Lucie had some explanations to do, why such an expensive plane carrying long range missiles was lost over Somalia?, so, like the Iraq Nuclear WMD Lie, the Us had to justify the Somalia affair, so in order to keep its Pinocchio nose longer and longer, the justification comes as I have predicted, the US is floating a new version of news carried by the Murdoch News Network (Who owns 60% of world Media, Enjoy Democracy!), that The US Navy Predator Planes are protecting the Fishing Vessels and Mega Trawlers on the Indian Ocean stealing Somali fisheries from "Somali Pirates" on the high seas.

 

A Spectacular Internationally Sanctioned Organized Crime in Progress before our eyes!

 

Read the news:

 

Drones protect ships in Somalia

 

Sunday, October 25, 2009.

 

NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) — For the first time, sophisticated U.S. military surveillance drones capable of carrying missiles have begun patrolling waters off Somalia in hopes of stemming rising piracy.

 

Three ships have been seized in a week off Africa’s lawless eastern coast and Vice Adm. Robert Moeller, the deputy commander for the U.S. Africa Command, said pirates continue to pose a significant challenge.

 

With the monsoon season now ended, there have been a rash of attacks as pirates return to the open seas. More than 130 crew members from seven ships are currently being held, including about 70 from the latest attacks.

 

In an effort to stem the surge, unmanned U.S. military surveillance planes called MQ-9 Reapers stationed on the island nation of Seychelles are being deployed to patrol the Indian Ocean in search of pirates, Moeller told The Associated Press in an interview at command headquarters in Stuttgart, Germany. The patrols began this week, military officials said.

 

The 36-foot-long Reapers are the size of a jet fighter, can fly about 16 hours and are capable of carrying a dozen guided bombs and missiles. They are outfitted with infrared, laser and radar targeting. (Just to fight Pirates! What a joke? eNuri Comment)

 

Military officials said Friday the drones would not immediately be fitted with weaponry, but they did not rule out doing so in the future.

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Questions.

 

 

Q. Who pays for the US to patrol the Indian ocean to protect the Fishing Ships on Somali Sea Lanes?

 

A. The bottomless expense account of "War On Terror" which is helping Americans join the Developing Nations soon, just like us in Africa, corrupt, and poor!

 

Q.Who Created the Pirates? and precisely when were they created?

 

A. Initially, it was a protest by poor Somali fisherman in Puntland state, against giant Spanish, Japanese, Korean fishing trawlers vacuuming the entire Somali Coast. Later, they began policing the Somali coasts and seizing ships violating territorial integrity of Somalia and then, it turned out to be a lucrative business with the assistance of "American Advisers" who found in the Pirates a great scapegoat opportunity for creating an international uproar to validate their undeclared strategic objectives in the Horn of Africa.

 

The full fledged outcry of the Pirates began right after the defeat of the American Backed Somali Criminal warlords. I leave for the reader to connect the dots.

 

Since the Pirates are based on Puntland, with the full protection of the local government of Puntland, a region that is under the control of the TFG, and hence a US Client, Why would the US need such an expensive gear to fight Pirates? and why was the Predator planes shot down over kismayo doing there , a 2500 Kilometer away?

 

 

Lucie has some explanations to do.

 

 

Nur