Xaaji Xunjuf Posted January 3, 2011 ^^ Moonlight if you like the mullah so much why did you guys destroy his statue in Mogadisho? , he wasn't that great after all Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MoonLight1 Posted January 3, 2011 That status was looted by an individual called (Cusman Cali Xasan aka Caato) and sold indubbai a copper scrap, but millions of Somalis respect Sayid maxamed, he made major mistakes, but who doesn't? Riyale made a major mistake when he worked under a dictator, arresting, interrogation and torturing SNMite political prisoners, but hey he became your boss and you forgave his sins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oba hiloowlow Posted January 3, 2011 anigu koley waxaan maqlay inuu ahaa nin dili jiray dadkii amarkiisa maqlin... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Somalia Posted January 3, 2011 ^ Oo muxuu u dili waayey, badankood Xaaji Xunduf wada miiran bey ubadnaayeene!...lol But I find it funny how those marfashlanders whose ancestors the great Sayid humbled and humuliated are quick to proffer their opinion on a topic such as this as if we were expecting them to say something nice about Ina Cabdille Xassan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oba hiloowlow Posted January 3, 2011 Mr. Somalia;685100 wrote: ^ Oo muxuu u dili waayey, badankood Xaaji Xunduf wada miiran bey ubadnaayeene!...lol But I find it funny how those marfashlanders whose ancestors the great Sayid humbled and humuliated are quick to proffer their opinion on a topic such as this as if we were expecting them to say something nice about Ina Cabdille Xassan. :D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted January 3, 2011 Mr. Somalia;685100 wrote: ^ Oo muxuu u dili waayey, badankood Xaaji Xunduf wada miiran bey ubadnaayeene!...lol But I find it funny how those marfashlanders whose ancestors the great Sayid humbled and humuliated are quick to proffer their opinion on a topic such as this as if we were expecting them to say something nice about Ina Cabdille Xassan. waxad ka sheekeysa barigu wadadki waalna bari ku duulay oo 700 oo nin ka dilay talow kuwasi na ma gaalay ahayeen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bilan Posted January 3, 2011 Waa aduun gees u foorara, mar hadii Sayidka la barbardhigay SNM iyo Caydiid, laakiin reer SL waa gartood inay nacaan Sayidka saa markuu qoriga watay iyagu raashinkay u karinayeen gumaystaha. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SayidSomal Posted January 3, 2011 Sayid Maxamad, aragtidaas iyada ah siyaasad qarsoon kama uu dhigin. Wax badan ayuu gabay ahaan iyo qoraal ahaanba ummadda u bandhigay, 'gaalada aan la dagaallamayno ninkii taageero u fidiyaa isna waa gaal' ayuu in door ah ku celceliyey. Masafo gaaban waa kii ku lahaa: • Nin aqdaamo Ferenjiya, maantiyo abuurriin • Ama aaladduu sida, ama awrta buu rara • Ama adhiga buu qada, ama laba ugaadhsada • Ama uba ilaalaa, ama uurka kala jira • Ashahaado beeniyo, islaamnimo ha lagu dhaqo • Ilaahayna nama oran, anna ma oggolaan karo! Gefaf dhowr ah oo ay Daraawiishi gashay ayaa maanta la tiriyaa, hase ahaatee way yar yihiin markii la barbar-dhigo guulihii ay soo hooyeen iyo sidii ay magaca dalka iyo dadka Soomaalida ahba sare ugu qaadeen, in kasta oo, ciidan ahaan, ugu dambaystii looga adkaaday. Midda kale, waa khalad weyn in lays barbar-dhigo shaqsiyan Sayidka iyo jabhad - waa anigo is barbar-dhigay malab iyo hilib qurmay - oo dhahay kee macaan? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Somalia Posted January 3, 2011 Sayid Maxamed iyo Soomaalidii ka soo Horjeeday keeba Gardaraa W.Q. Axmed F. Cali "Idaajaa" Ingiriiska iyo Soomaalidii uu ku adeegan jirey ee uu dagaalka Sayidka u soo kaxaysatay waxay in badan ku eedeeyeen inuu wadaadku dhiigyacab ahaa oo aan sokeeye iyo shisheeye u kala soocnayn. Ilaa maantana waxaa la helayaa dad badan oo soomaali ah oo ay weli maskaxdooda ku dambayso raadkii dacaayadda shisheeyaha iyo wadaaddadii Soomaalida ahaa ee sida tooska ah Sayidka ula muransanaa. Maamulkii gumeysiga iyo Soomaalidii ay isbahaysteeni markay eedda caynkaas ah Sayidka iyo Daraawiishta saarayeen ma xusi jirin duullaammadii iyo weerarradii colka iyo gaadahaba lahaa ee madax iyo minjo toona aan loo kala sooci jirin, xarumaha Daraawiishtana lagu soo qaadi jirey. Ma ay xusi jirin raggii talada Sayidka la wadey ee maagga iyo sida gardarrada ah Fardhiddin iyo Jidbaale xabbadda loogu leefsiiyey, mana xusi jirin wixii ay xoolo dhaqeen ee Ingiriiska iyo dadkii ay wada socdeeni ay dhaca kula meeri jireen. Ma ay xusi jirin inta jeer ee ay Sayid Maxamed kaga oohiyeen, markay dhegta dhiigga u dareen boqollaal nin-door wada ah oo ay daraawiishi ku dhisnayd. Bal si ka-fiirsi leh u akhri meerisyadan kugu qasbaya inaad Sayidka la oydo oo aad dhankiisa ka soo jeesato: * Eebbow geyiga oo dhan waa nalaga guulaaye * Waa noo gedleeyaan dadkii gaalada ahaaye * Eebbow Giriig kolay ku tahay nala gamuunneeye! * Go'na lagama qaadine dulmay nagu gelaayaane * Gabbaad kale hadday noo helaan waa gam'i lahayne * Eebbow waxay nagu gabreen diinta soo gala e! * Eebbow garka haddaan qabsaday gaaxshe nabaddiiye * Eebbow gammaan iyo waxaan gini-cas dhiibaayey * Eebbow garow kagama helin goolashadaan wadaye! * Ganbalaaligii bay warmaha nagu garraaxeene * Eebow waa gumaadeen raggii gaanaha ahaaye * Eebbow waxay gebawareen Gaaguf iyo Xayde! * Xirsigii garaaraha lahaa Gaarrufkii dile e * Geydhaale Aw-Aadan bay galawga taabteene * Eebow geesigii Ina-Dherey ugu guduudsheene * Guxushaaga Baynaxa ilmadu waa tan gabaxlayne * Gorroska Muuse-taaganaa wadnuhu ila gariiraaye * Eebbow ways gamaamaa markuu gaarka soo maro e! Meerisyadaas aannu soo sheegnay waxay ku jiraan gabayada Sayidka kuwa loogu jecel yahay mid ka mid ah. Waa gabayga 'Gudban' amase 'Gaalo-leged' lagu magacaabo ee, aftahanimmada suugaaneed ka sokow, in badan inoo muujin karaya waayihii Daraawiishta iyo, xilligii isaga la tiriyey, welwelkii iyo hammigii hoggaamiyahooda. Waa meerisyo tusaale kaa siin kara dhibaatooyinkii Ingiriis iyo Soomaalidii horkacaysey ay Daraawiish u geysteen, rag wixii ay ka laayeen, gardarradii ay hadba ula iman jireen Soomaalidii uu had iyo goor xoolaha iyo lacagta ku miisi jirey siday ugu gacan-sayreen. Qalbi murugeysan isagoo wada ah oo Eebbe-weyne u cabanaya ayuu kuu tawaawacayaa: "Eebbow, dhulkii aannu lahayn meel aan ka degno nalooga dhaarey. Eebbow gaalo iyo cawaankeed waa noo gooddiyaan. Eebbow, Giriigga aan aad u kala fog nahayba ha ku ahaatee, nin waliba birta naga aslay. Eebbow, eed kama aannu geline, waa gardarro waxa ay noo gumaadayaan. Eebbow, dhibaatooyinka ay nagu hayaan waan ka seexan kari lahayn, haddii utun aan ka qabnaa ay jiri lahayd. Eebbow, waa diinta ha la taageero oo jahaadka ha loo soo baxo. Eebbow, nabaddii iyo waanwaantii aan la ag-taagnaa la iga hoos-qaadi waa'. "Eebbow, waxay ciriidda jiifiyeen Darwiishkii Xasan-Gaarruf Axmed iyo Xayd Aadan Gallaydh. Eebbow, Xirsi-waal Maxamuud ayay Jidbaale gaalo iyo cawaankeed ku mawtiyeen. Eebbow, Aw-Aadan Seed iyo Xaaji Maxamuud dheri ayay ugu shubeen. Eebbow, garcaddaaga gaboobey ee Baynaxa Aadan Gallaydh waa taa ay ilmadu dhabannadiisa qoysey, markii ay god-aakhiro u direen saddexdii Darwiish ee uu dhalay, goobtii Jidbaalena ruuxda lagu weysiiyey. Eebbow wadnahaygu waa gariiraa, markaan arko Muuse-taagane Jaamac oo keligii kolba murugo meel la taagan. Eebbow, ma eego e, wejiga ayaan ka dadbaa, markaan arko isaga oo naxdin la dalanbaabbiyaaya oo gocanaaya afartii Darwiish ee uu dhalay, Jidbaalena gaalo iyo Soomaalidii waddey ay ku makaleen'. Wuxuu Ilaah u cawdo iyo wuxuu u ashtakoodaba, wuxuu dhibaatadii la soo gaarsiiyey tusaaleeyo oo waxa lagu falay gocdaba, ugu dambaystii wuxuu rabbi ka durraamanayaa inuu libinta u soo meeriyo oo laga gacan-sarraysiiyo dadka gaalada taabacay ee xaqii Daraawiisheed lagu ogaa, godobta badanna ka haya: * Eebbow goonji weyn iyo xaq bay naga gullaafteene * Guullow ma helayaan waxay nagu gubaayaane * Eebbow waxay naga gogtaan waa galoof-olole! * Eebbow sidii guun haween 'gii'du waa aniye * Eebbow nin goba baan ahoy guni rifaysaaye * Eebbow waxaa noo gurmaday gaayo-alifleeye! * Ma gereysni Eebbow waxaa guufanneyska ahe * Eebbow gabooddii dorraad waa ka gar-allayne * Eebbow markaan geyllamey guulmiyoo baqane! * Eebbow guddoonkii sharciga gooye nimankiiye * Eebbow kufriga gedeftaley gacanta haystaane * Eebbow anaa kugu gar lehe guusha ha i seejin! Sida ay cadawyadiisii ka faafin jireen, Sayid Maxamad ma ahayn nin dhiigga dadka u oomman, dhaca xoolahoodana u jeelqaba. Wuxuu ahaa nin ay waddaniyad kululi beer-qaadday, hase ahaayee dadkii uu u danaynaayey ay la garan waayeen. Wuxuu ahaa nin isaga iyo xarunta Daraawiishtaba in badan sidii ifka looga tirtiri lahaa loo guulay, naftiisa la dooni jiray, hagar daamooyin badanna loo geystey. Markuu fekarey oo habeenno aan tiro yarayn aayo-xumada Soomaalida lala maaggan yahay naftiisa kala dooday, dadkiina ay waanadiisii badnayd wax ku qaadan waayeen, weerar joogto ahina uu xagga Soomaalida kaga socdo ayay la ahaatay dadku laba qaybood uun inuu yahay: Qaybta hore oo ah Daraawiishta uu madaxda u yahay, dantooduna tahay Ingiriis, Talyaani iyo Xabashi inay dhulka Soomaaliyeed ka bedbaadiyaan oo dagaal hubaysan kaga saaraan. Qaybta labaadina waxay ahayd Soomaalida xoogaggaas shisheeyaha ah la soo safatay ee soo hormari jirtey, ceelasha tusi jirtey, dhabbeyaasha la qaado u kala tilmaami jirtey, awrta ka iibin jirtey ama ka ijaari jirtey, dabadeedna xarumaha Daraawiishta soo hor-dhoobi jirtay. Labadaas qaybood inay Soomaalidu tahay markii uu ka badin waayey ayuu u qaatay, Daraawiishna dhacsiiyey murtida ah, "cadawgaa jaallihiis waa cadawgaa", sida uu Qamaan Bulxan ku gabyey markuu lahaa: Daabaca ninkii kugu dhufta ee daabku kuu celiyey iyo kii 'duleedshaay' ku yiri wax isma doorshaane! Sayid Maxamad, aragtidaas iyada ah siyaasad qarsoon kama uu dhigin. Wax badan ayuu gabay ahaan iyo qoraal ahaanba ummadda u bandhigay, 'gaalada aan la dagaallamayno ninkii taageero u fidiyaa isna waa gaal' ayuu in door ah ku celceliyey. Masafo gaaban waa kii ku lahaa: * Nin aqdaamo Ferenjiya, maantiyo abuurriin * Ama aaladduu sida, ama awrta buu rara * Ama adhiga buu qada, ama laba ugaadhsada * Ama uba ilaalaa, ama uurka kala jira * Ashahaado beeniyo, islaamnimo ha lagu dhaqo * Ilaahayna nama oran, anna ma oggolaan karo! Waa siyaasad cad oo uu degsaday, digniinna u ahayd nin kasta oo xagga gumeysiga u janjeerasada amaba taageero u fidiya, xilli dagaal iyo xilli nabadeed intaba. Hayeeshee, in kasta oo uu waranka Daraawiishtu si toos ah ugu jeeday ninkaas gaalo-raaca ah ee uu sayidku tilmaamay, haddana waxaa dhici jirtey dar aan dagaalkaba war ka haynini inay haasahaasaha iyo gulufka jidbaysan ee ciidammada sayidka ku le'an jireen, hantidoodana ku waayi jireen. Waxaad mooddaa inay Daraawiishtu marar badan ka ilduufi jireen tusaalaha iyo dardaaranka Sayidka, taas oo sabab u noqon jirtey kooxo badan oo xarunta u han-weynaa in ay ka fogaadaan. Gefaf dhowr ah oo ay Daraawiishi gashay ayaa maanta la tiriyaa, hase ahaatee way yar yihiin markii la barbar-dhigo guulihii ay soo hooyeen iyo sidii ay magaca dalka iyo dadka Soomaalida ahba sare ugu qaadeen, in kasta oo, ciidan ahaan, ugu dambaystii looga adkaaday. Source: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AYOUB Posted January 3, 2011 MoonLight1;685060 wrote: This is my point. The whole SNM mujahid /shaheed stuff is clannish based. I am sure 100% if the Sayid was from the BBH triangle clan (Burco, Berbera, Hargeysa) he would've been worshipped and would've been called the great Shaheed. I does help knowing what you're talking about before opening your gob. Trust me on that. Sayid did not die in battle. He rode his horse in to the sunset alive and well. Secondly, if there it was about clan, then why don't we worship Suldaan Nuur Amaan(AUN)? He sacrificed his throne and died fighting like true Mujaahid. Why not Sheikh Bashiir who achieved martyrdom for emancipation of his people? Please note this not an attack on the whole Darwish movement as a whole, but I'm just trying to answer your questions. If there is a single point you disagree with, let me know. Haddii kale halkaagii ka miis. 'gaalada aan la dagaallamayno ninkii taageero u fidiyaa isna waa gaal' Just what the Shabaab of today say... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polanyi Posted January 3, 2011 He was a Mujahid who errored like many others before and after......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chimera Posted January 4, 2011 AYOUB;684999 wrote: [Another important point is; the Sayid M C Xassan did sign a treaty with the Italians, which mocked by one poet with the famous line Ma Talyaanigaasaa mahdiya tanina waa yaabe . Is that not what some consider selling out or collaborating? That's not collaborating, that's a smart tactic in warfare where you are enabled to replenish your ranks and rearm your military. Keep it in persepective; the British launched four major military expeditions against the Dervish , which they repulsed, and remember that one such British expedition saw the conquest of Ethiopia and the death of its ruler Tewedros II (if the British wanted to colonize Ethiopia, they could have easily done so then). The Sayyid simply used this treaty to import weapons through Illig, which is why a few years later a revitalised Dervish force was back on the scene. He however never paid tribute, never allowed any of his troops to assist either the British, Italians or the Ethiopians, hence he can't be a collaborator. Also your comparison with Al-Shabaab is a fallacy. The Dervish are legendary for having had a Pan-Somalist dream, the Shabab have an Al-Qaeda agenda, the Dervish were funded by local Somalis who believed in their cause, the Shabab are funded by wealthy Saudi devils, The Dervish did not stone victims, unlike the Shabab. The Dervish were all-inclusive with members from all major clans and they had no problems co-operating with other Somali entities, Al-Shabaab sees everything as non-muslim Somalis and muslim Somalis. The Dervish fought their enemies far away from civilians in the open plains and bushes, on the other hand the Shabab throw mortars in residential areas and inspire backlashes from the Barbaric foreigners, which is responsible for the death of thousands of civilians. The Dervish left behind a rich architectural legacy, the Shabab till this day have not constructed a single architectural marvel. Apples & Oranges. To the deluded Xaaji Xunjuf, the Dervish were far from finished, they would build one of Africa's largest Fortress Complexes in Somalia, and many more across the Horn, they were respected worldwide for their resistance against European powers, they had representatives in Berlin and Istanbul and were recognised by these empires as a country in East Africa, and were a regional power to be reckoned with, Whether its forcing the British for the first time in their empire's history to retreat to small coastal enclaves, to establishing schools across the South, or Dervish troops going to Yemen to assist the Ottoman Pasha. The Sayyid despite dominating the O-gaden managed to entice the future King of Ethiopia to become a muslim, he made plans with the Germans who would recognise any territory he were to conquer in East Africa. He was creating a strong Somali State, ten years before Atta Turk would in Turkey, but the British for the first time on African soil employed aeroplanes, which saw the collapse of the Dervish State. This still wasn't the end of the Sayyid, he was regrouping and would have returned to re-establish the movement if he had not fallen ill to influenza. Nevertheless he was never captured and therefore spared the humiliation of being a captive like the great Omar Mukthar of Libya, who was paraded around like a piece of toy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted January 4, 2011 You are wrong chimere the dervishes were influenced by a sheikh called Maxammad ibn saalix.and the saalixiya order they used to claim Darawish AL saalixiya never Somali or Fighting for pan Somalism. You can read it in the poems of Gabay xoog the dervish poet. And why would the Mullah make a deal with the italians and declare war against the British while making treaty's with the italians.. it doesn't add up, Also Sultan nur Axmed amaan the pro dervish sultan in the early stage of the dervishes had Sunusi Soldiers from Sudan not Somalis. it's mentioned in the book. seventeen trips through Somaliland. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chimera Posted January 4, 2011 Saalax;685047 wrote: Chimera. The SNM punished the collaborators of the dictatorial regime of siad bare and not just random people. Sure, sure, which is why the "Butcher of Berbera", NSS officer Riyaale Kaahin was punished and sentenced to death for the killings of innocent civilians in the North. Oops!, my mind must have been in some kind of a alternative reality, as the man became president of Somaliland. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chimera Posted January 4, 2011 Xaaji Xunjuf, Khalid5, Estanaio(sp?), Emperior5 etc, you are well known in the Somali Internet World as a prime-clannist, there is no point in discussing history with a person whose mind is locked by a petty system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites