WHAT SHIAS BELIEVE IN...Please Read with Caution...

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We NOMADS OF AHLU SUNNA WAL JAMAACAH would love to outline the following points from SHIA books written by their respected shia scholars. Inshallah, we would like to know, from the shia on this thread, if this is the belief of the shia or not. a simple yes or no. if no, then inshallah SHIAS can tell us where if there is a problem with the authors of these books, bi-ithnillaah.

 

NOTE:

 

Readers discretion would matter so that we can differentiate if SHIA belief is ISLAM.

 

Highlights of the Beliefs ( Aqaa'ed) of Shia Ithna Asheriyah.

 

1. The Imam is the Lord who dwells on earth.

 

ACCORDING TO SHIA BOOKS... It was reported that Ali RAA said " I am the Rabb ( Lord) who dwells on earth " source; Mir'aatul Anwaar wa mishkaatul Asraar, page 59.

The Shia Sheikh Al Ayaashi interpreting the verse " Wa laa yushriku fii xukmihi axadaa" " He does not share his authority (judgement) with anyone" Ayaashi says, it means that no one should share the Caliphate with Ali.

 

 

2. Fatima and Ali Reason Of Creation :

 

A contemporary Shia Scholar in Sheikh Hussein Feheid Al Ahsaa'ey, says " Ali RAA is the face of Allah SWT" he also says Allah said " O Mohammad, if it was not for you, I would not have created the universe, and if it was not for Ali I would not have created you, and if it was not for Fatima, I would not have created both of you"

 

3. Affairs of Present Life on Earth and the Hereafter are in the hands of the Imaam . Source Al Kuleiny, Section, that Earth belongs to the Imaam, page 407 -410

 

4. Natural phenomena like Thunder and lightening belongs to the Imaams .

 

It was reported that Samacah Min Mehran that he said that " I was Abi Abdallah, then the sky thundered,, thenAbi Abdallah said, it is Ali ordering it " Source Bihar ul Anwaar, Majlisi Volume 27 page 33

 

5. Extraordinary powers of Ali RAA :

 

It was reported that Ali RAA used to Rideclouds. A concept all Shia sects share, Biharul Anwar, Majlisi Volume 27 page 34. Also Ali is reported saying " I am the eye of Allah on earth, I am the Light of Allah that is never exitinguished, I am the proof of Allah against servants"

 

6. The Imaam holds the keys to the Unknown ( Al Ghaib) Source Al Kaafi, Kuleiny, Voulme 1 page 258, Section titled " The Imaams know when they die, and they never die without their consent"

 

7. Imaams know what was and would happen in the future and nothing is hidden from them Al Kaafi, Kuleiny, Volume 1 page 260

 

8. It was reported (Falsly) that Al Saadiq said " Wallahi we (imams) are given the knowledge of the ancients and the future generations, he was asked " Do you have access to the unknown? the imaam responded " we know what everyman and woman will beget as decendants" Source Bihar ul Anwaar, Majlisi Volume 26 page 27 - 28

 

9. Allah reveals revelations after the death of prophet Muhammad on the Imaams via angel Gabriel . The Imam Muhammad Al Saffar ( Died 290 AH) says " An angel even greater and more knowledgeable than gabriel comes down with revelations to the Imaams" also see source Asxaabul Imaam Al Macsuum, page 111

 

10. ALI Talks To Allah : Al Saffar also reported in the Basaa'er Al darajaat Al Kubraa in ten volume proofs of the continuity of revelations on Shia Imaams, Ali Talked to Allah SWT. That he saw Gabriel, Ten stories volume 8, section 16 page 430.

 

11. Al Saffar also reports : It was reported that Humran ibn Acyun reported from Abu Abdullah Aleyhi Salaam, " I said, O Imaam, I heard that Ali Talked to Allah Aleyhi Salaam " The imaam said " Yes indeed, they talked in Taif Gabriel came down in their middle" Source Basa'r Al Darajaat, Section 8-16, page 430, Printed in Iran

 

12. Al Saffar also reports in 13 reports that the Holy spirit ( Ruuxul Qudus) comes down on the imaams, the imaam said " We are increased knowledge at night, because if we did not have revealations, our knowledge would run out" source Basaa'er ul Darajaat, Section 7, volume, 15. page 252

 

13. Angel Gabriel, JIBREEL, is with Imaams always : Kuleiny explaing a verse " And thus do we reveal to you a spirit form on authority" Kuleiny said the Imaam said " since Gabriel came down, he never left, he is with us imaams" Source Kuleiny Al Kaafi, Volume 1 page 173

 

13. Angels come down on earth on the night of power to tell the Imaams about the Qader and all that would happen the following year. Sources Al Kafi , Kuleiny Volume 1 page 261 and Al Fusuul al Muhimmah fii usuul al a'immah, Volume 94 page 145.

 

14. Divine Light penetrated Ali. Source Al Kafi by Kuleiny Volume 1 page 440

 

15. The Imams are shown our deeds avery day and night Source Al Kafi, Kuleiny Volume 1 page 219

 

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NOW ANSWER THE FOLLWING QUESTIONS....

 

1. Where were Shias when Prophet Mohamed(s.a.w)was there..Alive and kicking..I think he would categorically have answered some of their questions...

 

2.Are Shia Imaams more 'holier' that our prophet(s.a.w)..Why would they stay away from This world Like in 'Mahdis'..for so long that even our Prophet Mohamed couldn't?

 

3.Why are they refuting the Holy quraan..I think they didn't refute the Holy Quraan when The Holy prophet was there...Why now...?

 

4.Why has Shia..never spread more than IRAN and some parts of India..Sunnis have spread more than them by far..It has bypassed Indonesia..Malaysia and Philipines..Does this show the spread of Truth over false...?I am sure 'TRUTH' spread by far..

 

5.What kind of books do they ascribe to if they don't accept The Holy Quraan..?Do they have a different Quraan...?why didn't they say so when The prophet Mohamed was there...

 

6.Why do they classify the Sahabas as..Good and adversaries..when Sahabas were one united group during prophet's time...?Why now?

 

7.Even if they are given the authority to Lead ISLAM...as they say they would have liked...would they still change the Holy Quraan and Hadeeth...I think they would have left it compact and same...And what about the prayers..why do they pray differently...?Why didn't they pray like so...when The prophet was there...

 

8.Why did the birth place of the Holy Prophet never had many Shias..I mean(MAKKAH)..It was infact supposed to be the 'Centre' of Shia if I am not wrong...Why IRAN...now?If they claim anything to the Ahlul..bait..

 

10.^^^^^My question above...did this have a relation with Christianity/Judaism which started in Jerusalem...and now controlled from The Vatican...(ROMAN EMPIRE)..Christians have no option but to accept orders from The Vatican..did we refuse orders from IRAN(PERSIAN EMPIRE) and continued with the Truth...?

 

11.was there some kind of political parties after The prophet's death...Which party was Shia..Did they lose the Elections...

 

12.Now what problems do they have with Sunnis..Why do they hate Sunnis..What brought about this disunity in ISLAM....

 

13.Could this be a plan to 'finish' ISLAM which didn't work fine...?

 

14.Why are they coming back to the fold of ISLAM now after 1200 Years later...?if they didn't prove themselves wrong..

 

...No wonder we are seeing an 'Influx of Shia follower'...coming back to the main Branch of Islam(SUNNI)...

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If indeed Shias ACCEPT the above AQEEDAH...as we posted above...I think it is more inclined to CHRISTIANITY than ISLAM...

 

 

REMINDER:

 

A simple Yes/No to the AQEEDAH by the SHIA will do us great favour in separating ISLAM/HOLY QURAAN/HADEETH AND PROPEHCY with our fellow SHIAS...

 

Thanks all,

[Valenteenah.]

would love to outline the following points from SHIA books written by their respected shia scholars. Inshallah, we would like to know, from the shia on this thread, if this is the belief of the shia or not. a simple yes or no.

Oh for the love of God...

 

 

The same sort of 'questioning' tactics found on Anti-Muslim sites is being utilised here. You know the type...asking questions designed to 'outline' everything that's deemed to be 'wrong' with Islam and the Quran without attacking it outright....

 

 

I'm getting tired of the Shi'a bashing in this forum.

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Originally posted by Zephyrine:

I'm getting tired of the Shi'a bashing in this forum.

Why don't u answer the questions or atleast accept the Aqeedah as part of SHIA DOCTRINE...Why are you putting it like we are asking the questions just aby the way...We need the nomad SHIAS to accept the SHIA AQEEDA or refuse.Nobody is forcing the other about this.We are only requesting them to enlighten others about their faith.

 

and their relationship with ISLAM...indeed we need an answer from them...