Any Lawyers? Law students or graduates that is

[Sophist]

Salaams,

 

Hello my Law fellows, how are we doing this fine afternoon/evening/morning?

 

I am reading Law and I was wondering whether there is another mad enough Somali who is reading it?

 

Cheerio

 

PS ..... No matter that he was under some gross error or ignorance or was activated by envy, hatred and malice, and all

uncharitableness, he is not liable to an action..

(Lord Denning)

[Jaamac_Bootaan]

Sophist, I'm an 18 year old senior high school student in ATL Georgia. And Insha Allah I'll go to college next year if I pass the SAT, but I'don't know what to study. The only thing I know is something that involves helping other people (no medecine!!).

 

I was thinking about studying Law in Minnesota state University but my dad said that being a lawyer is bad in islam and I don't want to commit a sin every day till I retire. Probably it's gonna be in the direction of business or politics. Gonna live with my uncle there in Minnesota and hope to take classes from a Somali professor and study with Somali students.

 

That would be the bomb but nothing is sure yet, only haddi Alle idmo!

 

Nabad iyo Caano

 

PS: if practising Law is Xaaraam than why were there even lawyers back home in Somalia? Or were they just westernized?

[Armstrong]

Jaama' Bootan, can I point out few hints I ascertained. Firstly, researching the subject or career you want to embark upon before you select a degree is pramount. No one can pick out a course for you from the countless possibilities of subjects; only you know what clicks or doesn't click for you.

 

Otherwise in the future you might be tempted to engage in various u - turns here and there and keep changing subjects hence wasting precious time.

 

Even though this is a cliche, its worth reminding ourselves that sometimes the best career is not the one with the large quantities of money.

 

Perhaps job satisfaction might come from a scenario whereby every morning you come into work you might have a smile on your face, helping people

 

Also take into consideration we are ethnic minorities and must acquire above average grades to have a specialist subject knowledge in our fields.

 

Hence job research is required within our vicinity to find out what sectors of the economy has good inter-race workers. Highlighting the sectors one can realistically initiate a professional career.

 

Personally speaking, I like practical academic subjects that involve application and experimentation. Professionalism is the vital goal in this regard.

 

Also there is salatul istikhaara one can perform when it comes to the crunch time of making that crucial decision - should I do this or that degree?

 

Take your time and evaluate your strenghts and weaknesses, motivation, hobbies and interests, and stating the obvious its best for that the job be as halal as possible.

 

Mujahid over and out.

[Jaamac_Bootaan]

Thanx saaxib,

 

I was allready planning to do that, but you reminded me how serious this is for the rest of your entire life. And that's what's scares me mujahid.

 

Anyway saaxib

 

Nabad iyo Caano

[7_steps_2_Heaven]

nooo, this topic makes me sad, i was studying law for 2 years but then I HAD TO change because of our religion, but I don't wanna complain about what I gave up for the sake of my religion. Allah has guided me, so I'm ever so grateful.

 

ta-da mate....

[Senora]

I dont think its the career that's morally wrong, but the person engaging in ummoral/unethical acts is... How is becoming a lawyer Haraam? If your doing whats right, and youdont let greed drive you, then I dont' see the problem? There are crooked doctors, cops, entrepenuers, but thats doesn't allow you or anyone else to give the whole field a bad name...

[Lake Da agony]

That’s true..^^ a perfect scenario to that is watching the movie the devils advocate... I don’t think becoming a lawyer is haraam either, only if you take cases that you know your client/organization was the wrong doing..and you only in it for the money than it will be a dissolute and unethical act which is haraam...You might get little cases to nothing by being true to yourself though, because good lawyers lie ( Not necessarily) and are very sleazy and will do whatever it takes to win the case .iffy issue

[Sophist]

Salaams,

 

Practicing Kuf Law is Haram; but readin Law isn't. Legal education is quite benifitable; it predisposes you to have skills that are trnasferable in real world-- good writing skills, logical reasoning and perhaps the ability to argue once's case in sophical way.

 

I think studying modern common Law would help one who want to study Islamic Law and want to practice. Most of Laws whether godly or kufr have great similirity--- before the man made Law there was God's Law; thus much influence had been had on man made law.

 

Anyow, these days there are Islamic commercial firms in the world which global firms like- Cliford Chance practice; in the middle East.

[OG_Girl]

Sophist, I am in my 3rd year in Islamic Law and I am really wasting my time coz after I finish only thing I can do as a career is to be Islamic teacher or social worker for youth, and I don't like that . what I am thinking is to take International Law as a master degree if my dad agrees.

 

Good luck

 

Salam

[Sophist]

International Comercial Law would good source for work. You have already have the Islamic Degree.

 

Anyhow, how come though you are not OUR Mufdi in cheif? From Henceforth we shall appoint you to be the Mufti of Somaliaonline.com

[OG_Girl]

lol sophist, my problem my eduction is in Arabic I can't be mufti in English thou

any how we have Nur as a mufti in somalionline ... any thing in Arabic I am ready

 

salam

[BiLaaL]

Most replies to this thread seem to paint the studying of law in bad light, so i thought i might reply.

 

Some of you have rightly highlighted that law as it is taught in western universities is contrary to our religion. Having said this though, we need to take it further by seeing whether all branches of Law taught in the west are 'Haram'. Looking it from this angle, things are not as simple. An Example of a branch of Law that is 'haram' to practice for a muslim is that of criminal law where you will be expected to defend and apply criminal codes that are contrary to the teachings of islam. But the learning and practice of such areas as human rights and International law are not as grey. The reason being, often these branches of Law were derived by western law givers in the medieval Europe using knowledge gained from the Islamic world at the time and therefore having strong similarities to the Shariah.

 

In international law, Islamic treatises anticipated the work of Grotius by eight centuries. In fact the attempt to develop such international law principles long anticipated any similar work in other legal or cultural systems. Human rights doctrine based upon the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet is still envy of the west. There are many examples where European law-givers used principles worked out by islamic jurists in various branches of the British common law.

 

I think the simplest answer is as follows: A lawyer represents his client in legal matters, thus he takes the rule of the 'wakeel'(attorney). So being a lawyer in the west is perfectly fine as long as the branch of law that you select is one where you're able to practice without breaking the laws of Allah. So you can only be a 'wakeel' for another in pursuing what Islam allows him or that other person to pursue using Islamic means but not where he pursues what the Shari'ah does not recognise as that person's right or via using haram means. For example, representing someone as a practicing lawyer in the west, to buy or sell a car may be OK but not representing him to buy a bar, and so on. Another way of looking at it is: One can represent another to do something which the Shari'ah allows him to do for himself, but not to do something the Shari'ah forbids him doing for himself. And in

representing that person, one must use haram means e.g. avoiding cheating, fraud etc.

The principle is quite simple and straightforward, though the application in

today's world might be difficult and testing.

 

 

The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was one of the world's first and greatest law givers. He wrote several documents about government and rights in Medina, which are now seen as one of the world's first constitutions. Furthermore, the Qur'an is as much as a spiritual guidepost as it a legal code of morality.

 

So being a lawyer is perfectly Islamic. In some ways, it makes perfect sense.

 

Furthermore, Muslims today are some of the most oppressed people in the world. The law is a device and tool we can use to help Muslims all over the world -- to bring cases in front of world and UN courts and also individual

nation's courts.

 

Hope that helps.

[Reality Check]

What exactly is "Kufr" Law and what's so haram in practicing Criminal Law?

 

 

:confused:

[7_steps_2_Heaven]

Princess_sexy - boi I better not say anything

 

Opinionated - sis the kufar law is the man made law not send down by god meaning they keep changing the law just like their bible.

let me give u an example, if some1 steels according to islamic law their hand should be cut off right, whereas the kufar law they go to jail or community service depending on how severe is the case. therefore if some1 who is muslim n wants to become a lawyer in these western countries they are doing haraam thing coz they are NOT FOLLOWING gods law.

and what law is better than Allah's?

[OG_Girl]

Wallahi somalis never stop amazing me!,guys nothing wrong learning other's law and even better to learn their laws and use them against them like they using our laws against us.

Plus I am Islamic Law student and believe it or not they r not using it in our courts and use instead it some thing we call " qanon al-faransi" French Law!.... as some Islamic scholar said once when he went to so called kofur country he said his famous words " I seen moslims with out Islam , and i see here ( in moslim country) Islam with out moslims.

 

My point is till we find real moslims whom follow Islam in right way we should not talk about Halal and Haram.

 

Opinionated , nothing wrong sweetyy.

 

 

salam