List Somalia's major obstacles in becoming a proper functioning state

[Sabriye amp co.]

AfricaOwn.

 

Since you seem to regard your self and other Somaliland compatriots as people of a different nation to those of Somalia. I and others here should treat you like foreigner (AJANABI) who has no business in Somalia's politics. Despite the fact its only virtual and internationally unrecognized obsession. Please Get out and stay out of Somalia’s Affairs.

[Che -Guevara]

^Whatever happen to being to diplomatic?

[Sabriye amp co.]

Che.. I strongly believe that Somalia's problem can be sorted out by Somalis ONLY.

 

There for I’m not so keen on foreigners having a derogatory say in Somalia's Affairs.

 

If one considers them selves to be different then that’s fine by me but prepare to be treated accordingly.

[Che -Guevara]

Originally posted by Dr.Galbeyte:

Che.. I strongly believe that Somalia's problem can be sorted out by Somalis ONLY.

I agree with you on that, but I think the label of foreigner is unnecessary and not helpful. Intii isku dan ah ha israacdo. That would allow anti-secessionists who believe their interests will be served in the south to join the south.

[Sabriye amp co.]

It's clear from its foreign policy towards Mogadishu.

 

A peaceful Mogadishu doesn't serve the interest of Hargeysa well at all.

 

it also damages Dahir's argument for independence.

 

SL forces where sent down south to help Ethiopia crush Maxaakimta.

 

If you think you can convince them, then go ahead.

[Jacaylbaro]

Originally posted by Dr.Galbeyte:

SL forces where sent down south to help Ethiopia crush Maxaakimta.

 

can you elaborate that ??

[Che -Guevara]

Originally posted by Dr.Galbeyte:

SL forces where sent down south to help Ethiopia crush Maxaakimta.

How's that any different than Punt boy being used by Ethios. And mind you Puntlanders are supposedly for the union.

[Sabriye amp co.]

Che:Any negative strategy towards Mogadishu = Promoting Somali disunity.

 

JB: an estimated 2000 SL forces joined the Ethiopian onslaught towards Mogadishu against the United Islamic Courts forces.

[Jacaylbaro]

What are your sources rather than the information from the mirqaan ??

 

Any evidences ??

[Armchair Politician]

#1: Poverty

One reason for the constant fighting and injustice is Somalia's resources are all controlled by closed communities and barely enough to make those closed communities survive. Due to this an impoverished Somali has no possibility of peacefully advancing his situation in life, and the slightly better off have no reason to help them. This alone sets the stage for disputes over water, grazing rights, land and dominance over weaker agricultural communities, and the willingness of Somalis to steal from other communities and callously ignore their sufferings.

 

#2: Corruption

Due to the nature of Somali communities, corruption and nepotism is rewarded with backing and support from his community while merit-based appointments and advancement exposes the progressive appointer to the loss of support of his community. It does not take a mathematical genius to realize that this state of affairs will lead to all honest and unbiased leaders being deposed or pushed aside and corrupt leaders gaining power. These leaders are however incapable of leadership outside of their community, and when pushed above leading their community into leading a group of communities or the whole country, prove to be the worst leaders imaginable.

 

#3: Old Grudges

Worst of all however is the inability of Somali society today to do what their ancestors learned long ago had to be done, to sit down under the acacia tree and stop the endless cycle of revenge. The craving for revenge, rather than being pushed aside as the evil all-devouring creature that it is, is rather nursed and kept alive, generation after generation, and becomes its own motivation. When Somali leaders today find themselves in a position of power over their old enemies, they simply cannot resist its allure. Despite the fact that they, at long last, have the chance to end the cycle of revenge, they instead engage in the next turn of the cycle with no regrets.

 

Each of these, taken by themselves, would be enough to keep a civil war going. Somalia has all three.

[Sabriye amp co.]

Do i really have to dig it up from my library of sources.

 

Ah... and you're supposedly informed about Our beloved Riyaale's government.

[Jacaylbaro]

Thanks for giving up ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you shouldn't made that claim in the first place

[Armchair Politician]

It is Somalis who are ultimately responsible for the tragedy of Somalia. They support leaders who take resources from other communities and give them to themselves, demand members of their community are preferentially appointed to high offices, and encourage them to exact vengeance upon their enemies.

 

For peace to occur, Somalis need to actually care about other Somalis outside of their community, and help each other even if they don't have very much themselves. They must appoint the best man for the job, and criticize corruption even if it benefits you, and they must learn to forgive their enemies.

 

It is a much more difficult and courageous path to take, as it exposes you to hardship, political uncertainty and the fickle nature of their neighbors, who may not be so forgiving themselves.

[Sabriye amp co.]

ArmChair politician: Two thumbs up brother.

 

JB let me give you a hint "fight against terrorism"

 

Lets see if your going to deny this commitment of Riyaale regime.

[Xoogsade]

Originally posted by Armchair Politician:

It is Somalis who are ultimately responsible for the tragedy of Somalia. They support leaders who take resources from other communities and give them to themselves, demand members of their community are preferentially appointed to high offices, and encourage them to exact vengeance upon their enemies.

 

For peace to occur, Somalis need to actually care about other Somalis outside of their community, and help each other even if they don't have very much themselves. They must appoint the best man for the job, and criticize corruption even if it benefits you, and they must learn to forgive their enemies.

 

It is a much more difficult and courageous path to take, as it exposes you to hardship, political uncertainty and the fickle nature of their neighbors, who may not be so forgiving themselves.

You have analysed our ills perfectly and given the solution to our problems in one short post. Amazing. Thanks.

 

 

Dr.Galbeyte

 

Perhaps Riyaale was putting a show for his boss in Addis when he made the offer of 2000 canon fodders. It never materialized. There is always competition between surrogates and Riyaale is no slacker in proving himself more loyal than others saxib. When Muqdisho was plundered into submission, other place-holders sent congratulations to Addis from their bunkers, Riyaale couldn't trust the cables and the phone system to convey his congrats, so he had to travel to Addis, bow down in submission and kiss feet. That was too lowly.

 

Qabiil kastoo soomaaliyeed, iyo inta meel wada deggan, waxaa hormuud u noqday niman dhaqan soomaaliyeed iyo diin fiican aan lahayn.

 

 

Baashi raised some good points although I disagree with the occupied properties being among the motivating factors of the conflicts. Neither the TFG and its supporters, nor the people who oppose it are motivated by property.