Thierry. Posted July 2, 2006 We often blame non-Muslims for having preconceived ideas regarding ISLAM, the same problem of narrow mindedness exists within Muslims. I myself heard the word Wahhabi before I heard Salafi Here is a little article to remove those preconceived ideas withing the Muslims Ummah What is a Salafi and What is Salafism? The reader will notice that the word "Wahhabi" is always indented with quotation marks here at TheWahhabiMyth.com. Those who are labelled with this word do not themselves use this term, as it is used as a means of belittlement. The reasons for the rejection of this term are clearly outlined throughout this book. The correct way of referring to them is by terming them Salafis, as they are those who adhere to the way of the Salaf - the Prophet Muhammad (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace) and his companions. Following the way of the Salaf is the way which has been legislated in the Quran and Sunnah, the very sources of Islam. The Prophet (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace) said to his daughter Fatimah: "Indeed, I am for you a blessed Salaf." When asked about which was the correct and acceptable way of understanding Islam, the Prophet (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace) replied by saying: "That which I and my companions are upon." Similarly, Allah says in the Quran that He is pleased with the companions "and also those who follow them exactly (in faith)." As such, He said regarding the Prophet (may Allah raise his rank and grant him security) and his companions: "So if they believe as you (i.e. the Salaf) believe, they are indeed rightly guided." All of the orthodox scholars of Islam followed the way of the Salaf in understanding religion. Early scholars such as Imam al-Awzaa'ee, who died 157 years after the Prophet's emigration to Medina, said: "Be patient upon the Sunnah, and stop where the people (i.e. the Salaf) stopped, and say what they said, and refrain from what they refrained from, and follow the path of your righteous Salaf; for verily, sufficient for you is what was sufficient for them." Today, one of the famous Sunni schools of jurisprudence is named after a scholar named Abu Haneefah. Millions of Muslims all over the world ascribe themselves to his school of jurisprudence; those who the media would term "mainstream" Muslims. Regarding adherence to the Salafi methodology, he said, "Adhere to the narrations and way of the Salaf, and beware of newly invented matters (in religion), for all of it is innovation." The orthodox scholars who came after these early generations also followed the understanding of the Salaf in religious matters. Imam ath-Thahabi said: "It is authentically related from ad-Daraqutni (a scholar from approximately 1,000 years ago) that he said: There is nothing more despised by me than 'ilmul-kalaam (innovated speech and rhetoric). I (adh-Thahabee) say: The man never entered into ’ilmul-kalaam, nor did he enter into argumentation (i.e. philosophy), he did not delve into that. Rather, he was Salafee (a follower of the Salaf)." The present day scholars who stick to the mainstream understanding of Islam also ascribe themselves to the way of the Salaf. Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan is considered to be one of the most knowledgeable of scholars alive today. Regarding Salafism, he made the following remark: "It is not a party from amongst the various parties… Hence Salafism is a group of people who are upon the way of the Salaf, upon what the Messenger (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace) and his Companions were upon; and it is not a party from amongst the contemporary groups present today." The media claim that Salafis/"Wahhabis" believe that all those who do not follow their form of Islam are heathens" is a tall tale. Salafis believe that those Muslims who do not follow the understanding of the Salaf are not adhering to these and other clear texts. As such, they do not fall under the above-mentioned Quranic verse as being "rightly guided." Salafis distinguish between those who fall into religious innovation and those who fall into disbelief. When considering the proofs which are contained within the Quran and Sunnah and the statements of all the orthodox scholars of Islam from the earliest generations to the present time, it becomes obvious that it is a great blunder for the media to refer to Salafism as being a new movement called "Wahhabism" which came about only two centuries ago during the time of Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahhab in Saudi Arabia. "So after the truth, what else can there be, save error?" [Quran 10:32] Source http://www.thewahhabimyth.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking Posted July 2, 2006 What ever hapenned to simply being a Muslim, a follower of the Prophet Muhammad SAW? Why does someone have to be anything else? Allah says in the Qur'an that He has blessed us and chosen Islam as our religion, why bother with other sub-grouping? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nur Posted July 2, 2006 Viking writes: What ever hapenned to simply being a Muslim, a follower of the Prophet Muhammad SAW? Why does someone have to be anything else? Allah says in the Qur'an that He has blessed us and chosen Islam as our religion, why bother with other sub-grouping? Can the true "Muslim" in this crowd stand up? It comes with globalism problems, many people are selling different products under the same brand name, which forced some business men to create a new logo for their percieved original brand, saying that they are more authentic than the wannabees, even Coca Cola repented from its trial to change the image of Coca Cola after so many imitations, reinstating the old image as the Original Coke , I personally agree with Viking on this matter, no matter who presents warped ideas to pass as Islam, we should never abandom that great name Abraham named this ummah to be claimed by others with malicious agends ( Huwa Sammakumul Muslimiin). ( He ( Abraham) named you Muslims ( those who surrender to Allah). We need not change the name ( Muslim), instead, we need to understand what the name stands for in the first placer, and then live the name to its fullest meaning. Everyone has a trait in his /her character of their name, if your name is Rahima ( Kind and Caring) you are expected to have mercy on people, if you are Kareem ( Generous) , you are likely to display generosity, if your name is Osama ( LION) you are likely to display Lion like behaviour specially if you live in the BUSH for too long. Now we have a LION in the BUSH, and there is fear in the global village of what is lurking behind the BUSH, luckily though, there is light at the end of this mess, inshaAllah, Nur ( Light) is likely to enlighten you with ideas, (or bore you at tiimes, depending of your mood or persuation) Nur Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Socod_badne Posted July 2, 2006 Originally posted by Viking: What ever hapenned to simply being a Muslim, a follower of the Prophet Muhammad SAW? Why does someone have to be anything else? Allah says in the Qur'an that He has blessed us and chosen Islam as our religion, why bother with other sub-grouping? Good point! So why don't you practice what you preach? Viking: You can not be a Muslim and be against Shari'a. here is where you said the above Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking Posted July 2, 2006 Socod_badne, 1) This topic is about Salafiya or Wahhabiya as some call them. 2) The other topic is about Hadd and other Laws found in the Qur'an and Sunnah. I said one cannot be a Muslim and against the application of Shari'a opting instead for man-made laws. Surely you can see that they are two different issues. I remember you saying that you accept the Qur'an and not the Sunnah, are you also against the Laws that are found in the Qur'an? Do you think man-made laws are superior or more humane? Do you think that we can be Muslims and ignore the rules of engamenet mentionned in the Qur'an (i.e. commerce, divorce, inheritance, criminal law etc.)? Doesn't it defeat the whole purpose of being Muslim? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Socod_badne Posted July 3, 2006 Originally posted by Viking: Socod_badne, 1) This topic is about Salafiya or Wahhabiya as some call them. 2) The other topic is about Hadd and other Laws found in the Qur'an and Sunnah. I said one cannot be a Muslim and against the application of Shari'a opting instead for man-made laws. Surely you can see that they are two different issues. I see you making excuses... rationalizing what you did. It don't matter one whit for what reasons you declare a muslim an anathema! The fact that you and others, ad libitum, take it upon yourselves to say who is and isn't a muslim is the contentious point. Anyone can come up with plethora of reasons for why a person with particular set of believes doesn't meet the criteria for being a muslim but you'd still be doing what you were lamenting about: labels. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking Posted July 3, 2006 I haven't declared any Muslim to be non-Muslim, what I did is point out that one cannot be a Muslim and at the same time be against the principles of Islam. Part and parcel of being a Muslim is accepting that the Laws of the Almighty are superior to those of man. You openly stated that you reject the ahadith, is this the reason why you are fighting Keynaan22's battles? Are you trying to rationalise your rejection of the Sunna? I seriously don't know how you pray or do all the other Islamic rituals if you totally reject the ahadith. How do you do it? Please do enlighten us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites