Pi Posted March 16, 2007 Socod Badne: Dude, it's pretty clear if you think about it. Other than Somaliland and Puntland, before the TFG, the rest of Somali had no regional government. Yes, the ICU came all with all their newly grown beards and freshly rolled up pants, and they formed a regional authority for the south (albiet an unfair one). Anyways, with their annihilation, much of the south became without any regional government or authority. The ppl themselves were too inept to form even a modest government for 16 friggin years. So yes, the current President along with TFG officials were more or less compelled to appoint provisional leaders for each state and region. Once each group builds its regional parliment, they will be free to choose whoever they went to run their internal affairs. The Federal government will have no say in it. As for Puntland and Somaliland, the President cannot appoint anyone. These two regions have functioning governments, with a parliment, security, and the like. To compare Puntland and Somaliland to the lawless south is really foolish. Not even the most biased partisan would make such a comparison. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AYOUB Posted March 16, 2007 Originally posted by General Duke: ^^No saxib the Ethiopians & Ugandans are not occupiying anyone they are supporting the legitimate government of Somalia build up its forces in order to control the whole country. What kind "legitimate government" needs to be protected by foreign armies from its citizens? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miles-militis Posted March 16, 2007 Astonishing when everything has to be argued in this air with no point of reference! Why not just read the bloody constitution as to the legal status of Puntland or Somaliland, and as to why the TFG is appointing regional governors for regions unlike the said entities which existed prior to the inception of the TFG? Or is this a case of "afkii laba daan lihi, wuxuu yidhaa..." I'll you do the honours in finishing off the rest! Ayoub - how old are you, before one could venture an answer for your question? Tata... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AYOUB Posted March 16, 2007 ^^^ 36. Sam, I'm disappointed with that "girly" response and an immature one to put it midly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LayZie G. Posted March 16, 2007 Either all regions get their leaders appointed by the president of 4.5 or those self-declared semi-autonomous regions withdraw their clan representatives. When Siad Barre was the ruler, there was no talk of puntland baranbaro. All of a sudden Puntland is the driving force of this so called government aka TFG. If P-land wants to be part of somalia, they can not exclude themselves from somali weyn. A president Elect aka Oday Yusuf needs to lead the entire country as one or tell him to go back to whatever hole he crawled from. Puntland's first man appointed by the citizens of that region appointed him as the "President of Puntland" not the leader of the region, in other words, Puntland thinks they can have one leg on somalia as a whole and at the same time do just about everything to distance themselves from somali weyn aka "talks such as the naming of the region aka puntland, electing a government with a so called president" all of these actions indicate that they are not part of somalia, present or past, so why all of a sudden the interest in Mogadishu and somalia weyn? That doesn't work awoowe duke, and as hard as you try to convince us all, TFG can't sell that BS. Oday Yusuf wants Puntland to stay intact, because in reality, I don't think the so called "President of puntland" and its people will allow Yusuf and his comrades to tell them what to do with their region, its theirs, they govern it and they have maintained it to the best of their ability all of these years ago and for all of a sudden the structure to change, it just won't work. Awoowe Duke says Puntland was TFG's biggest supporter, if that is the truth, why aren't the leaders of puntland making themselves feel as thought they are part of the country in support of TFG and why not welcome a change, meaning new elections, new structure in that region, be part of the process, regardless of whether or not its well established at the moment. Why does that region continue to maintain their ways of doing things as thought they were their own indepedent country? If Siad Barre were alive and in power, we wouldn't be hearing about puntland or its president or Yusuf for that matter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miles-militis Posted March 17, 2007 Ayoub - The question my dear chap was merely of metaphoric nature, and not quite so literal. The object was to tailor future retorts alongside your riposte, but seeing that you fancy yourself as the sole custodian of query etiquette, I shall stifle myself for a worthier opponent. Tata… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fabregas Posted March 17, 2007 Why can't Somalia have two presidents? In fact we can have one for every clan. That way we will have a house of presidents.We can also three capital cities in Somalia, so everyone is happy. How about that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted March 17, 2007 Ayoub, even you know the answer to the question why the AU force is there. Because we have not had a national army in years, we need training and support in reestablishing our armed forces. That is the reason why the AU force is here, just like they were needed in Liberia, S-leon and other nations of Africa. So far everything is going well, apart from the expected mortars and criminal activity the TFG has not had any major setback since it crushed the clan clourts.. Abwan are you trying to deny the courts of Mogadishu were based on sub-clans and founded by charcoal traders like Abukar Cadaan and the clan most dominant was the one occupiying the lower Shabbele region? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AYOUB Posted March 17, 2007 *Edit* Duke Smith: the problem with you is you believe allpuntland.com propaganda. This is the most illegitimate government on the planet bar none. Formed abroad by the collections of lowest of the hoodlums and protected by foreign military force. Don't bother trying those repetitive few lines either coz even the newbies in here can see through them. I would try somethig laughable like Samurai's "it's in the constitution". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted March 17, 2007 ^^^The AU is here to support saxib and not for protection and against armed groups and criminals and not against the citizen. We have not had a single police station functioning in the whole of the southern regions 1/3 of Somalia The TFG has liberated the unarmed clans and has given hope to all Somali's who lost properties, land and who's regions has been occupied. Example is Afgoyee, district which has a local admin for the firts time in 16 years.. Its simple but I doubt you will get it.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AYOUB Posted March 17, 2007 ^^The criminals are part of this bast*rd government and some them were even at the airport to welcome Ugandan troops. Besides, the invading Ethiopian troops are not part of AU "peace-keepers". PS the courts claimed the same about Afgooye. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taako Man Posted March 17, 2007 ^ They were welcoming them as Mp's of their constituency and in this case clan. They are not armed or even ministers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted March 17, 2007 Ayoub, the courts never set up an admin for Afgoyee becasue their man Cirfo was the occupier only the TFG changed this man and gave the locals back their district. Basic history the lower Shabbele was occupied by, IndaCade, Cirfo, Dhuxulow, Sharuup Xasan Dahir all central players of the courts. The AU force has started to arrive, with the completion of this the remaining Ethiopians will leave.. Also the UN security council has approved the AU force and has come against anyone who opposed the legitimate government through the use of arms. Thus like in the case of Liberia & Sierra Leone this is another great step for the AU.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miles-militis Posted March 17, 2007 Ayoub - See if you could derive a meaningful answer from the following definition. Beware, these are legal terms, thusly more than just common sense is required to absorb their fillings. “legitimate government … a government generally acknowledged as being in control of a nation and deserving formal recognition, which is symbolised by the exchange of diplomats between that government and the governments of other countries.” Am tempted to offer you a definition for "citizens", but I've a feeling you already know that, do you not? Tata… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xoogsade Posted March 17, 2007 ^ Somalis in general do not give recognition to the farcical TFG. We have a minority like you laboring under delusions but the reality is different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
