Get out of looted homes and farms, Shiekh Sharif...

[General Duke]

Some here deny there are is any occupation, or a problem regarding looted property in Mogadishu and the Lower Shabbele...Well for the secon time Shiekh Sharif has spoken out/....

 

Shiekh Sharif start with your buddy Inda Cade, and we will take you seriously. Till then w appreciate your nice words....

 

Shiikh Shariif Shiikh Axmed†Waa in laga baxaa guryaha iyo Beeraha xooga lagu heysto, cadaaladuna waa shaqeyneysaaâ€

 

Gudoomiyaha gudiga Fulinta Maxaakiimta islaamiga ah ee Soomaaliya Shiikh shariif Shiikh Axmed oo manta ka hadlayey isu soo bax ka dhacay garoonka Kubada Cagta ee Koonis ayaa waxa uu sheegay qorshaha Maxaakiimta ee ku xiga Amniga in ay tahay sidii dadka heysta Guryaha iyo beeraha looga qaadi lahaa, waxa uuna ku cel celiyey in Maxaakiimtu ay yihiin kuwa ku dadaali doona Cadaalada iyo Maslaxada Umada Soomaaliyeed.

 

“ Hadii aad ku sii jirtaan guryaha, beerahana heysataan, waxaad noqoneysaan qabiil is dilay umadana barakaciyey, welina xoog ku joogo, ayuu yiri shiikh shariif oo si gaar ah ula hadlayey dadka ku nool Caasimada, oo uu sheegay in Soomaali inteeda kale ay soo fiirinayaan.

Hadalkan uu jeediyey Shariifka ayaa waxa uu ku soo beegmayaa xili dad fara badan oo gudaha iyo dibadaha ku nool guryahoodii iyo beerihoodii xoog lagala wareegay, waxaana u badan Dhulalka sida sharci darada ah magaalada Muqdisho, halka beerahana ay u badan yihiin gobalada Shabeelaha Hoose, iyo Jubooyinka.

 

Gudoomiyaha gudiga fulinta Maxaakiimta islaamka, Shiikh shariif Shiikh Axmed waxa uu sheegay in loo baahan yahay Maamul loo sameeyo Muqdisho, taasina waxa ay ka horeeyo buu yiri dadaal iyo Daraasad, iyada oo dib loo fiirinayo Fashilka Maamuladii hore, waxaana muhiim ah buu yiri in la ogaado in umadu u baahan tahay Cid ka fekerta danahooda aqoona leh.

 

 

Shiikh shariif Shiikh Axmed mar ii ka hadlayey imaatinka ciidamada Itoobiye ee soomaaliya iyo qafiifinta cunaqabateynta hubka, waxa uuna arimahaasi uu ku tilmaamay in ay macnaheedu tahay mashquulinta Maxaakiimta ee dhinaca adeega bulshada, isaga oo dhinaca kalna ugu baaqay Umada Soomaaliyeed in ay u diyaar garoobaan difaaca dalka iyo diinta.

[Uthman1]

Drop the propoganda, there is no time for this type talk when the country is at war.

[xiinfaniin]

^^

[General Duke]

^^ What country is in war, do you mean the Tigray war between Eritria and Ethiopia?

 

I have seen much hype but no action on the side of the courts. What has changed, same old clan millitias..

[xiinfaniin]

^^The country is not at war—at least it currently enjoys more peace than it ever had and it’s future seems promising and full of hope. But to say Sharifs effort is an empty talk---as you implied---is showing resentment without cause. Clearly the man is courageously addressing issues that TFG has been sheepishly timid.

 

Give the man his dues yaa Generale .

[General Duke]

^^^All Somali leaders TFG, clan courts and regional like Puntland and Somaliland talk with nuce sound bites.

 

Xiin you have tried to shuf these people down our throats, but the main issue which are central to or faith have not yet been addressed.

 

I sympathise with his words, but I doubt he runs anything outisde his press confrences. So long as these courts are an exclusively for the armed clans of Mogadishu they will not address the main issue of justice and freedom for all.

 

Only a week ago we had a clan court named in Mogadishu for the areas of Bay and Bakool and yet we have none for the vast unarmed clans of Afgoyee, Marka, up to Kismayu, why Xiin? Why are Bay and Bakool a priority over the areas mantioned above..

 

Going back to Inda Cade, you have said he is a preferal figure, yet now he has been promoted to the security chief of Mogadishu.

Two days ago there were fighting in Qoryoole between his forces and the locals. Guess what his were called....

 

Its either a big scam, or the well meaning Sharif has no power to make the changes that the people require...

[Uthman1]

Tell me General Duke, if they are clan courts as you claim, why would the courts fight their own clans to begin with? This argument is baseless since if they were clan courts they would have gone to places like puntland, somaliland etc to fight.

 

And secondly you say the Courts are just talking, as if they fear the Ethiopeans. Saxib, just last week you were saying Abdullahi Yusuf got outplayed diplomatically and this what the Shiekhs are doing now. If peace can be achieved by means of sitting on the table and resolving our differences then thats good and what the UIC want. However how is this possible when you have 5000 Ethiopeans near the capital occuopying our territory.

 

Time will tell but inshallah the courts will bring humiliation to these Ethiopeans in the coming days. We made Americans run with their pants down in 1992 and now Ethiopiens are apparantly trying to get rid of terrorists, lol be carefull the UIC does not make Addis Ababa their new office

[General Duke]

^^^Uthman1..

Brother let me address your first point, what clan does not have internal cotradictions. What clan has not had internal fueds and wars, in Somaliland we had Tuur VS Egal, in Puntland A/Yusuf Vs Jamac Ali. The courts Vs Warlords is just one episode but this time like the other areas there was a single victor. Thus the suprise to many is that Mogadishu fell into the hands of one faction..

 

 

Now we know the courts are the following. Ifka Xalin, Al-furgan, Chircole, Sisis, Dayniile and so on represent the armed clans of Mogadishu. Yusuf Indacade crew + The Banadir company.. Tell me who represents the minority clans of Mogadishu??

 

Now some tell us the courts are not ready yet, they are not strong enough to face up to Inda Cade, Adaan and other warlords within their umberella. In the same breath though the courts are ready to fight Baido and the Ethiopians..

 

Thus they are ready as you say and will defend the people of Somalia from the Ethiopians but are not yet equiped to defend the poor Somali's from Inda Cade. Such nonsence..

[xiinfaniin]

Generale, don’t be more royalist than the king now. Admit that the courts have achieved what the TFG had failed to attain. Also look who’s hurt by Courts’ progress saaxiib. And if your mind lingers to wonder why Courts are taking their time to deal the issues of Marka and Kismayo the answer is simple. It’s called prioritizing. It works. No problem is particularly difficult if you break it in to workable pieces. This is clearly has been a formula for success. This is how it worked. Confront and defeat the warlords. Lift the roadblocks and open the main commercial channels of the city. Integrate Courts’ militias and bring them under one command. Establish an administrative body that manages the city. Then spread the progress to the other areas.

 

Why Jowhar then? It’s called denying [edit]safe-heaven to the anti-social warlords. Why talk about Ethiopia? It’s called seizing a political opportunity that effortlessly presents it self to you and mobilizing the faithful: your base. One more last thing yaa Generale as long the old man leads a committee of dogs (Qaybdiid, Qanyare, and M Dheere) this Indhacadde argument is not gonna be credible addeer. It’s either a product of utter naiveté or, worse yet, a calculated political trap to draw these Courts in to unnecessary conflict which they could do without. As you can see the good Sharif has started to talk about the issue of land and property as I’ve expected before. Next they will device a plan and strategy to find a resolution for it.

 

If you appose theirs, as you seem to be doing now, what alternative do you have my good friend?

[Jacpher]

I doubt if the Generale has any plan other than the TNG.

 

GD seems to be failing to understand the importance of prioritization. He wants to dismantle the courts by demanding that they confront the butchers of the south, Indhocadde and Hiiraale. While such calls may be valid & necessary, it’s not in the best interest of the courts and the stability of the region. These two criminals should be dealt with, possibly by diplomacy, but the courts have bigger problems on their plate. Cleaning the city, opening the airport & the sea port and calling for the return of looted properties to the rightful owners is a good start and a priority that needed to be taken. It’s hypocritical for GD to advocate for a war in hopes of weakening the courts and perhaps giving in to the goals Ina Yusuf’s Masters, amxaaro.

[General Duke]

Xiin,we have already commended the courts of bringing the security of Mogadishu under their control. However this has been your lifeline for a while and that grace period is over now.

 

They have acieved what Somaliland and Puntland did years ago, which is to have a single authpority. Bravo indeed, but what else?

An internal clan struggle played in a very localised theater produced a winner.

 

Dear Xiin, remember that both these groups were anto government from dayone and members of the Balcad group. Was this beacse they are anti Ethiopian? Of course not. The eventual winner would have claimed that by having Mogadishu they control the country. And thus claim a jihad against Ethiopia. Which is a the same delusion the likes of Qaynyare suffered from....

 

We have looked at the structure of the courts, their support base and we have found it to be no more than a new face, front for the armed clans of Mogadishu. Every armed clan has a seperate court to protect its interests.

 

Xiin the proof is in the pudding, I do not belive as you do that this issue of looted properties will be any more than a soundbite.

 

My view has been that the best bet for the courts is to negotiate, their millitary power is the same as the powerful warlords i.e. in our imagination...

 

Rememer the TFG troops have not fought anyone and have bided their time. Is this weakness?

 

 

Jimcale,

 

Your argument is not valid, because the courts can not disarm Inda Cade, he is the courts, his technicals are a major part of the courts, thus he is every where, Balcad, Jowhar, Ciselay, and he is given the airport and the title of security chief. This man is not a small insignificant warlord in the courts syste,, he has more power than Shiekh Sharif, he turns down the appointment of being his deputy and names himself security chief. Indeed he knows his priorities. To build his power base and hoodwink us all.

[Duufaan]

We must give TNG credit for Baydhabo security, they are one step father than the court by colecting weopens, although Baydhabo is not Moqdisho. The court done good job dismantling the road blocks but simply you cannot chalange the goverment.

[General Duke]

How nieve can we one get, anyone who belives that an organisation with Inda Cade as a security chief will bring back the looted lands is like beliveing Aarial Sharon left Gaza for his well known love of Arabs...

[Gabbal]

^My properties were returned to me and by Indhacade's representatives themselves, ka waran..?

 

I also know others who have also been blessed likewise and still others who are in successful negotiations.

 

Dadku ha xaq-tirin.

[General Duke]

^^^Saxib if there were no prolems, Sharif would not be making an appealing, we would not have this post.

 

The problem is deep, and what ever you might say not everyones property has been returned and not everyone has close links with Inda Cade....