Somali woman called islam a backward religion

[Lefty]

loooooooooool@nuune

 

She looks a man to me!

[nuune]

lefty,she is labeeb!!

[Haashim]

This women is the unluckiest person in this world, because when many non muslims discovering the beauty of our religion she accused

backwardness to islam.

she wanted to become a famous person as sister BULO said, but she entered a dark tunnel which she will never get out from it unless she returned to her creator and commited FULL TAWBA.

 

She is poor and misguided by ISLAM enemies who cann't encourage to accuse ISLAM publicly.

 

I don't believe she should be debated with because u can debate with someone who deserve to debate with such as christian or any other religion bishops, or intelectual person who wants to know the reality of ISLAM etc, instead i think she need some knowldege about ISLAM and the

hazard of such accusations and how and where her friends ended up.

 

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LACNADI HA KU DHACDO DAALIMIINTA IYO KUWA KABAHA U QAADABA, LAAKIIN MAXAYNU NIRAAHNAA KUWA KA AAMUSAN IYO KUWA MARKA MOORADOODA LA SOO GALO UUN QAYLIYA.

[Haaruun]

Nuune Good job bro, waan u baahnaa inaan arko sawirkeeda, qandho ilko taag taaganleh qaxooti camal.... tnx barwaaqo iyo nuune for the $$..however our friend SomaliOnline-president is some how upset about me going there...waryaahee adiguna miyaad kula jirtaa, ma anigii baabad wax soo waalanaya igu tilmaantey markii aan usii booteynaayey taas gafuurka dheer leh...wax laga aamuso miyey istaahishaa? War naga daa sxb, adigiibaaban kaa shakinee.. :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Blessed]

loooooooooool @ Nuune and Haruun .. alah maxaad cey u dhameeyseen lol I never wanna get on the wrong sides of U two.

 

Labeeb? qandho lol. I am learning here lol

 

Haaruu hadaan lacagta kuu dhiibno, ma hubnaa inaad soo qaraaceysid? Maybe you should take Barwaqo with ya, just to make sure!

[Macalin]

Damn she Ugly as Hell!

 

Fanaa cuudu..Geeda fool xumaa?

Waamaxay ma TB beey qabtaa?

 

Daya ilkaheeda, bal ila daawada somaaley... aad moodid cunug yaroo Marasmus(its a disease) Qabo..or rather a malnourished Waxar!..yahuuuu.

 

Indhaheeda aad moodid Shimbir Guumees

Ilaahow kusoo hanuuni cajuusayahey dhunsan

 

Waryaa yaawaaye kan tan soo tumi rabbo?..one advice waraa..wax aan shaabuug aan ahayn haa uqaadan!!..

 

Ku orodsii wadooyinka Amsterdam or wherever the hell she is.

 

Allow soo hanuuni somalida iyo muslinka idil!..Amiin kusii daraa

[nuune]

lakkad,waad laheshay sxb,marasmus ay qabtaa,meel aan kamaqlay inay cudurkaas qabto.

 

laakiin kun cuduroo jinni ay qabtaa bilaayada!!

[Ayaan8321]

Haaruun nagadhaaf nooh....iskadhaaf naagta kondolaaryada qabto...saaxiibo wax yer waalaga fiicanyahay....CEEB WAAYE NOOH MAKASEE........

 

:mad: :mad: :mad: anaa naaag eh oo sooxagxaganaayo nooh...ilkaha masaarahaane waan soo duminaa

[jabarti]

Asalamu Aleikum:

 

Dear Bro and sisters,

 

Aduunyo nin joogoow maxaa aragti kuu laaban,

 

I have seen Somali Gay, Prostitution, and Drug dealers etc. But I never expected this kind of news, never seen such a low person like this lady in holland who sold her religion, culture and ethnicity in a cheap price.

 

She tried to be more civilize and secular but that costed her religion and freedom. Allah says "lan tardaa anka yahuudu wala nasaaraa hataa tatabia milatahum, that the jews and christians will never be satisfy until u fellow their foot steps (religion)."

 

What Allah says is true when he said " whose who betray their religion will live in a (Khisy fil hayati dunyaa) humiliation in this world and (wa Adaabu fil Aakhira) Hell-fire after death.

 

thats what is waiting for her, if she doesn't repent to Allah; most kind, most mercifull.

 

We can see the promose of Allah already, look @ her, before few days she was free lady, and now she became like a hostage person, she can't even go to toilet by herself without a guard (security personal)to accompany her.

 

Look what happened to salman Rushdie, where is he, where is the dutch gay who insulted Islam. Who killed him, a Muslim?!!! No but a fellow dutch, white and christian citizen. (wamaa ya'lamu junuuda rabika ilaa huwa) No one knows the soldiers of Allah except himself. it could be a Muslim or non-Muslim, human or angel.!!

 

Lets wait and see!!!

 

But lets not forget that this kind of news is warning signs and wake up calls for us, Somali Muslims, men and women, young and old. Lets go back to Allah, ask his forgiveness, lets remember that there will be a day of judgement for all of us, lets do the right things and deeds before its too late.

 

No one knows if we are going to hell or heaven, being called by Mohamed or Amina doesn' mean one way ticket to heaven.

 

May Allah forgive us all, and guide her if she deserve.

 

Jabarti Aw-Osman :mad:

[StarGazer]

Listen Up folks

 

So what if she's a self-declared hypocrite. It hits home because she's one of us. But hypocrites existed even in the time of the Rasuul (SAW) and they will continue to exist till the end of time. Its unfortunate that she examined the actions of muslims rather than to take a deeper look at our beautiful deen. Islam Is Perfect. Muslims aren't!!!! remember that. Why is it that I hear comments like " a somali woman isn't capable of that"?? Somalis aren't different from humans and and just like any other society there will be dictators, warlords, murders, rapists, gays, feminists, bikini models, etc. Get it?

Muslims are being challenged about their deen everyday and the question is what can you do about it? Here's a suggestion: Educate yourselves!! Somalis are talkers and the fact of the matter is alot of us don't know much about our deen to even defend it. Another suggestion would be to get involved in groups that aim to educate the public about Islam. We're forgetting that we NEED Islam too. I've said too much. I hope I made myself clear. Habeen Wanagsan akhiyaarta.

[Dhimbil]

Tamina

i agree with you wallahi, you saided all!

 

Haruun

Waan soodiri $$ lakiin "make sure" inaad labada hore ee ilkaha inaad kajabiso. :mad:

[Libaax-Sankataabte]

I found this piece on the New York Times website

 

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Behind the Veil: A Muslim Woman Speaks Out

By MARLISE SIMONS

 

AMSTERDAM — Ayaan Hirsi Ali had done well in the 10 years since she arrived in the Netherlands as a young refugee from Somalia and, until a few months ago, she lived a quiet life in her adopted land. Never did she intend to create a national commotion.

 

She studied Dutch, took on cleaning jobs, went to university and worked as a political scientist. She made a name for herself pressing for the emancipation of Muslim women and documenting how thousands, living even here, were subjected to beatings, incest and emotional and sexual abuse.

 

To the surprise of many, she became a leading voice condemning the government's support for multiculturalism, programs costing millions of dollars a year that she considers misplaced because they help keep Muslim women isolated from Dutch society.

 

Then Ms. Hirsi Ali, 32, began receiving hate mail, anonymous messages calling her a traitor to Islam and a slut. On several Web sites, other Muslims said she deserved to be knifed and shot. Explicit death threats by telephone soon followed. The police told her to change homes and the mayor of Amsterdam sent bodyguards. She tried living in hiding. Finally, last month, she became a refugee again, fleeing the Netherlands.

 

"I had to speak up," she said, in a telephone interview from her hiding place, "because most spokesmen for Muslims are men and they deny or belittle the enormous problems of Muslim women locked up in their Dutch homes."

 

Her ordeal has caused an outcry in the Netherlands, a country already uneasy with its recent waves of immigrants and asylum seekers, now representing almost 10 percent of the population. Many Dutch see the threats as an intolerable assault on the country's democratic principles. The threats have also intensified a fierce debate — one that can be heard these days across Europe — about what moral values and rules of behavior immigrants should be expected to share.

 

Though absent, Ms. Hirsi Ali seems very present here. Her portrait has appeared on magazine covers and television and there have been indignant newspaper editorials and questions in Parliament. Some have called her the Dutch Salman Rushdie. In paid advertisements, more than 100 Dutch writers have offered her support.

 

"I've made people so angry because I'm talking from the inside, from direct knowledge," she said. "It's seen as treason. I'm considered an apostate and that's worse than an atheist."

 

The theme of injustice toward women in Islamic countries has become common in the West, but it has gained fresh currency through Ms. Hirsi Ali's European perspective, her study of Dutch immigrants and her own life. Born in Mogadishu, she grew up a typical Muslim girl in Somalia. When she was 5, she underwent the "cruel ritual," as she called it, of genital cutting. When her father, a Somali opposition politician, had to flee the country's political troubles, the family went to Saudi Arabia, where, she said, she was kept veiled and, much of the time, indoors.

 

At 22, her father forced her to marry a distant cousin, a man she had never seen. But a friend helped her to escape and she finally obtained political asylum in the Netherlands.

 

She was shocked when, as a university student, she held a job as an interpreter for Dutch immigration and social workers and discovered hidden "suffering on a terrible scale" among Muslim women even in the Netherlands. She entered safe houses for women and girls, most of them Turkish and Moroccan immigrants, who had run away from domestic violence or forced marriages. Many had secret abortions.

 

"Sexual abuse in the family causes the most pain because the trust is violated on all levels," she said. "The father or the uncle say nothing, nor do the mother and the sisters. It happens regularly — the incest, the beatings, the abortions. Girls commit suicide. But no one says anything. And social workers are sworn to professional secrecy."

 

More than 100 women a year have surgery to "restore" their virginity, she estimates in her published work. While only 10 percent of the population is non-Dutch, this group accounts for more than 60 percent of abortions, "because the Muslim girls are kept ignorant," she said. Three out of five Moroccan-Dutch girls — Moroccans are among the largest immigrant groups — are forced to marry young men from villages back home, to keep them under control, she said.

 

A year or so ago, Ms. Hirsi Ali's case might not have attracted so much attention. But the mood in the Netherlands, as in much of Europe, changed after Sept. 11, 2001. In the month that followed, there was an unheard of backlash against the nearly one million Muslims living in the Netherlands, with more than 70 attacks against mosques. Sept. 11 also gave politicians licence to vent brewing animosities.

 

Among them was Pim Fortuyn, a maverick gay politician who was killed in May, apparently by an animal rights activist. He said out loud what had long been considered racist and politically incorrect — for example, that conservative Muslim clerics were undermining certain Dutch values like acceptance of homosexuality and the equality of men and women.

 

What Mr. Fortuyn did on the right, Ms. Hirsi Ali has done on the left. Many in the Labor Party, where she worked on immigration issues, were shocked when she told reporters that Mr. Fortuyn was right in calling Islam "backward."

 

"At the very least Islam is facing backward and it has failed to provide a moral framework for our time," she said in one conversation. "If the West wants to help modernize Islam, it should invest in women because they educate the children."

 

To do this, she argues for drastic changes in Dutch immigration policy. The government, she says, should impose Dutch law on men who beat their wives and daughters, even if the Muslim clergy say it is permissible. It should also end teaching the immigrants in their own language and stop paying for the more than 700 Islamic clubs, most of which, she said, "are run by deeply conservative men and they perpetuate the segregation of women."

 

Her views, and the death threats, have divided Muslims, who account for most immigrants here. Almost 20 Muslim associations have condemned the threats, but at the same time faulted her for criticizing Islam. Hafid Bouazza, a Dutch-Moroccan author who in the past has received letters saying he will burn in hell for his writing, said the threats were shocking. "No criticism of Islam is accepted from women," he said. "Muslim women are particularly vulnerable."

 

Others were bitter. Ali Eddaudi, a Moroccan writer and cleric living here, dismissed "all the fuss" over a Muslim woman who "panders to the Dutch."

 

Ms. Hirsi Ali agrees that the criticism is so intense in part because she is a woman. "I am a Muslim woman saying these things, and it has provoked a lot of hatred," she said.

 

One thing is certain: the death threats against Ms. Hirsi Ali have given more prominence to her ideas, which have now become the subject of intense debate among Dutch policy makers. The Dutch Liberal Party has invited her to become a candidate in the parliamentary elections next January.

 

She says she has accepted and hopes to return to the Netherlands, though she fears for her safety. "Either I stop my work, or I learn to live with the feeling that I'm not safe," she said. "I'm not stopping."

[OG Moti]

Caku ciil badanaa ciil badanaa tanookale baa somali sheegan, any way she is MURTAD means she left the islamic religion which also means killing her might be right thing to do, but since our beautiful religion is religion of peace and forgiveness we will ask her to reconsider and bring TOWBA, so I hope some of the sisters who live in Holland will visit her and advice her, cause the sister is going to hell this way when non muslims realize they found the truth and became muslims, what unlucky women, god shows the light who ever god wants, but i feel sorry for the sisters,,

 

That is the problem with some somali ignorant they think the best way to be famouse and accepted by the dirty gaalo is to des Islam, not knowing the gaal will look at you as a hopeless peace of dirt and will never respect you cause u are saying bad words about ur religion which means u do n0t respect urself and how can others respect you then...

 

she is in a big trouble, Allah might show her in this world before the next one... Ilaahey ha hanuuniyo ... iyo kuligeen

 

RAMADAN KARIIM

[OG Moti]

Did I mention she might think that she is ugly, so maybe she thought if she des islam .. one lost white man might jump into her assets ...

[boycott]

What Mr. Fortuyn did on the right, Ms. Hirsi Ali has done on the left