(R.I.P) Jaalle Siyaad on 1978 Soviet Threat to Somalia

[NASSIR]

Originally posted by Allamagan:

[ ^I love your sarcasm! The truth of the matter is that MSB didn't inherit anything tangible, anthing good from the previous one-subclan based admins in the 60s who all were guilty of nepotism and corruptions and who done nothing good to the somali nation. Unlike them, MSB had built up an state and reputable army, implemented 1st time the Somali language, cleaned all the mess and qurun that were inherited from previous admins before the same people once again were back and this time destroyed the country with the help of nation's arch-enemy, the ethiopians, in order to please themselves and to reclaim their 'perceived' and imaginary position in the somali politic.

 

Anyhow, historically, one never expects the slightest positive or anything good from this part of the hood when it comes to Jaale Siyad's (AUN) position in the somali history and fair enough understandably we all aware of that

 

Under Siyad Barre

!!!

[/QB]

Well said saxib. read Governance by Ismail to know how corrupt, nepotistic and venal Sharmarke's admin was before the coup.. It's well-known fact.

[Som@li]

Some pple don't talk about or write about the 9 years before Siyad, they were extremely corrupt, full of nepotism, and it is good to know that Ismail writes about cuz he was workign as director those days.

[General Duke]

^^^^Yes the nine years before him were corrupt and bad, and yet Siad Barre (AUN) was part of the system in all those nine years as a top officer.

He inherited a country with corruption. Then he destroyed the constitution, started arresting civilian leaders in mass.

 

He was the first Somali to use the nation as a weapon to kill other Somali’s. Political, civilian, religious leaders were killed or exiled. Under him the Somali people were brutalized, the siege and rape of Galkacyu, the Jazeera massacre of students, the bombing of Hargaysa and heinous atrocities in NW Somalia. are but a few horrid recorded actions against the people of his regime...

 

The targeting of specific clans not to mention the promotion of simpletons like Abdi Xoosh. The scandal of Fai with Jurile and many many other incidents.

 

Yes corruption was bad under the 9 years of civilian rule. It was institutionalized and taken to dizzying heights under Siyad Barre (AUN), he also added mass murder and silly wars that cost the lives of thousands upon thousands of souls.

 

YeT in all the suffering he built a single road, with the help of the Chinese and Italians.

[Somalina]

Under him (AUN), we had one flag, one passport, and there was no Dadaab or anything remotely close.

Under him, PL administration did not have the audacity of deporting non PLanders from Garoowe and Boosaaso.

 

Let's not start pointing fingers now, for we know what happened to Somalia after he was ousted from power.

Barre (AUN) was not innocent, however he is dead now, and I think it is wise to not insult the dead.

[Som@li]

Originally posted by General Duke:

^^^^Yes the nine years before him were corrupt and bad, and yet Siad Barre (AUN) was part of the system in all those nine years as a top officer.

He inherited a country with corruption. Then he destroyed the constitution, started arresting civilian leaders in mass.

 

He was the first Somali to use the nation as a weapon to kill other Somali’s. Political, civilian, religious leaders were killed or exiled. Under him the Somali people were brutalized, the siege and

rape of Galkacyu, the Jazeera massacre of students, the bombing of Hargaysa and heinous atrocities in NW Somalia.

are but a few horrid recorded actions against the people of his regime...

 

The targeting of specific clans not to mention the promotion of simpletons like Abdi Xoosh. The scandal of Fai with Jurile and many many other incidents.

 

Yes corruption was bad under the 9 years of civilian rule. It was institutionalized and taken to dizzying heights under Siyad Barre (AUN), he also added mass murder and silly wars that cost the lives of thousands upon thousands of souls.

 

YeT in all the suffering he built a single road, with the help of the Chinese and Italians.

Waxii ku kacay oo ka danbeeyeyna waa ka sii liiteen.

[The Zack]

Dabshid,

 

Duke will tell you Yussuf was a better leader than Barre LOL. Aduunka wax kasta waad arki.

[General Duke]

Under him (AUN), we had one flag, one passport, and there was no Dadaab or anything remotely close.

Yes and before him we had all of those, it was under him that the current situation arose. His regime destroyed the country.

 

 

Zack, Yusuf can not be compared in terms of that he never had the resources that Barre did.

But we can say that Adan Abdulle Osman was the greatest, Abdirashid, Egaal and even Abdirizaq Haji Hussain were as national leaders superior to Barre.

[Che -Guevara]

Every nation get the leader it deserves

[General Duke]

^^^Every dictator gets what he deserves. Siyad Barre AUN was a defeated man, and he caused his own demise as well as that of Somalia.

 

But new leaders shall arise, one must be hopefull.

[Somalina]

^^ If that statement holds true then Faroole will get what is coming to him soon.

[Libaax-Sankataabte]

Marxuumka Siyaad hala daayo. Waa inaga hooseeya, caydiisuna waxba keeni mayso awooweyaal.

 

Debating politics without facts is a mindless game. Like I said earlier, political corruption is a trivial problem to have bearing in mind where we are at today. I kindly urge the youthful bucks on SOL, who seem only familiar with the regimes of the recent past, to get acquainted with their country's golden era. We had a functioning democracy and united country full of hope and promise.

 

Just to dispel the myth of clan bias, here is a great paper by two Northern scholars whom few have insinuated in the past to be "anti-Puntland".

 

Somalis as Africa’s First Democrats: Premier Abdirazak H. Hussein and President Aden A. Osman by Ahmed Samatar and Abdi Samatar.

 

 

Aadan Abdulle Osman

 

Aden was so strict with the taxpayers’ money that he saved enough from the presidency annual budget to build a presidential retreat in Afgoi while others were pocketing public money. Four issues underscored Aden’s low popularity with many parliamentarians: his refusal to offer personal favors to many MPs who sought such help; his strict adherence to the constitutional division of labor between President

and Prime Minister; his brutal frankness in telling things as he saw them; and his indifference to his reelection campaign.

Abdirisaaq Xaaji Xuseen:

 

Another preoccupation of Abdirazak was curtailment of the theft of state property, and the curbing of corruption. Abdirazak’s respect for the law and his anti-corruption effort has no parallel in our history. Aden and Abdirazak lost, in hindsight, what was the major watershed in Somalia’s modern social and political history.

Abdirashiid Cali Sharmarke

 

Even Abdirashid had his old house rented and made a decent profit. However, he was not a corrupt Prime Minister and, therefore, did not gain wealth as a result of his position.

[Jacaylbaro]

1977/78 waxay ahayd sheeko igu dheer ..... weli waan xasuustaa.

 

 

Siyaad Barre nin rag ah buu ahaa ...... at least wax buu aaminsanaa waanuu ku dhintay.

[General Duke]

Originally posted by NinaNC:

^^ If that statement holds true then Faroole will get what is coming to him soon.

Faroole deserves all that's coming to him and one hopes he and his political supporers lose badly in thnext elction and swept into the dustbin of history .

[Captain_Mike20]

Somali's are a depressing people, every time i encounter i feel sorry for them brothers. Dwelling on the past, what if, we should of, its gonna happen like this.

 

Forget the past, focus on the present and the future. The future is...

Alshabab Vs Somaliland and the world.

 

lets get ready to rumble...................!!!!!!!! the winner takes all.

[NGONGE]

Originally posted by Allamagan:

^ Zack, sxb raggu isku garasha ma ahan markaa halayaabin reerkana odayga illaa al aankay ku qarwaan. Ppl moved on, welina meeshi ayeey taagan yihiin, rag wuu dirriraa wuuna heshiiyaa wax kasta oo rag dhex maraa aaqir wax waa isu ogolyihiin waana heshiiyaa balse waxan ragna ahayn maxay kuu ogolyihiin halkaasay baroor la soo fardhiisani. Dhurwaa baa laga sheegay haddaan dumarka xoolahooda xoola ka aqaano waligaay ma taabteen. Hadda dharbaaxsho yaroo canaana iyo wax tusaalayn oo berri macallinku AUN u dhigay niman dhowra oo kacaan diida ayeey illaa hadda weli hadal hayaan dhaafi la'yihin, ninkiina tagyey, dalkii gacanta kuma jiro manta xaggee wax laga qabtaa malahan, caku garasho!

The one who started the thread was praising the man and you were happy to join in the praise (though even you would admit he was a controversial figure), marka dee lets be fair and take the criticism with the praise, saaxib.