The suffereing of unarmed clans was greatest....

[General Duke]

Maxamed Abbas: “Dhibaatada Ugu Weyn Waxaa Loo Geystey Beelaha Banaadiriga…”

 

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Maxamed Cabbaas Guddoomiyaha Beelaha Banaadiriga Ee Taliyaaniga.

[Taliban]

Originally posted by General Duke:

Maxamed Abbas: Dhibaatada Ugu Weyn Waxaa Loo Geystey Beelaha Banaadiriga

Maxamed Abbas is incorrect. Every group of Somali has suffered; it's natural each or some groups would overestimate their sufferings. However, history documents reer Bay and Bakool are those who have suffered most (in terms of loss of life). In terms of torture, deliberate killing and massacre, iwm-- Islamists (regardless of any group) have suffered (at the hands of seculars) the most.

[General Duke]

Saxib you do talk allot of tush, trying in vain as you will. No oen targeted Islamists, the country is 100% Muslim and even secular is just a word in Somalia, most people pray and follow the faith.

 

The armed groups such Al-Itixad, and lately the clan courts lived by the gun and lost by it. They wanted power and faced others who competed with them. However the unarmed clans, such as the one mentyioned above, lost out because they did not have guns, their religious one and non religious were not spared by the aremd factions, which included Xasan Dahir, IndaCade who occupeid their territories for a decade or so.

[NASSIR]

I am delighted finally my birth town was freed from the forces that occupied so long. The local clans should be appointed to lead the district's council and most of the police and army personnel should recruited from them. This will be firstly a source of income to the locals. It will also empower them politically.

[General Duke]

^^^I agree, the former unarmed groups should play the leading role in the affairs of their districts.

[NASSIR]

What happened to them was that they hardly played a role in the last regime. They were also unarmed after the civil war hence becoming an easy prey to the wolves. They were also divided and systematically persecuted for petty matters. Now is the time for them to maximize their gain and think about their future by working and collaborating with the government and rebuild their city by getting direct help from the post-conflict recovery and reconstruction projects of the JNA.

[Jacaylbaro]

They have many well-educated figures living in abroad ,, those can take the lead and play a key role in the reconciliation process

[NASSIR]

Absolutely but they have to return their home and take the initiatives of the government to heart. One of the major clans has a good history of resisting the colonial rule, so getting the chance to be the captain of their ship would quickly bear fruits for them. Let us face the truth, they were surrounded by heavily armed ferocious nomads from tribal encampments of Galgudud and Mudug. It was hard for them to challenge or overcome such obstacles at their doorsteps.

[Jacaylbaro]

but it still depends on the current TFG if they give them the floor or still willing to use the same armed clans in the country. I mean they have to try to take the initiative but after all it depends on the management and how they deal with them.

[NASSIR]

I agree.

 

Asalamu Aleykum

[Gabbal]

Originally posted by Taliban:

Maxamed Abbas is incorrect. Every group of Somali has suffered; it's natural each or some groups would overestimate their sufferings.

I disagree. I think there is a consensus these groups have been the most marginalized in Somalia's already marginalized society.

 

There is no legitimate contention there.

[Taliban]

Originally posted by Caamir:

What happened to them was that they hardly played a role in the last regime.

Quite incorrect. Beelaha Banaadiriga have been part of the last and previous regimes. In the last regime, the commander of the Naval Forces, some military judges, senior officers of the army, diplomats, mayors, bank managers, iwm were from Beelaha Banaadiriga.

[Taliban]

Originally posted by HornAfrique:

I think there is a consensus these groups have been the most marginalized in Somalia's already marginalized society.

First, there's no such thing as "the most" when it applies to humans. Absolutism doesn't apply to humans. There's only such a thing as "among the most." Second, that consensus is incorrect; Beelaha Banaadiriga have had their shares of successes, some failures, some marginalizations, iwm-- just like the rest of Somalis.

[Taako Man]

^ The people of Shabelleha hoose haven't had any weapons to defend themselves for the last 16 years. They were truly unarmed and sitting ducks for somali nomads to take advantage of them.

[Fabregas]

The people of Somali Bantu have suffered for more than a hundred and fifty.......I say the have suffered the "greatest".