NASSIR Posted September 16, 2010 The full report is available via WardheerNews, but here is a snapshot of it that caught my eye. Covers conflicts of tribal and resource nature in "Puntland", "Somaliland" and the rest of SOMALIA 13.Beyond Mogadishu, sporadic clashes between Al-Shabaab and ASWJ continued in the central regions, albeit with no significant changes in control of territory. Al-Shabaab continued to control the town of Kismaayo and its seaport, while its positions in the Juba Valley and along the Kenyan border continued to be attacked sporadically by local clan militia associated with the Transitional Federal Government and by the rival Ras Kamboni group. 14. Meanwhile, Hizbul Islam was severely weakened following the severance of ties in May with the Ras Kamboni group. This has undermined Hizbul Islam’s efforts to gain positions from Al-Shabaab in various regions in southern central Somalia. During the reporting period, it was alleged that Al-Shabaab and Hizbul Islam militia were responsible for several security incidents in border towns inside Kenya. 15. The security situation in “Puntland” has generally become more volatile for several reasons, including inter-clan disputes and continuing targeted assassinations of government officials. Further exacerbating the situation was the increased activity of a clan militia located in the foothills of the Golis mountain range, believed to have close connections to Al-Shabaab. On 23 July, that militia attacked five villages and a military checkpoint along the main road between Boosaaso and Garoowe, which triggered fierce clashes with “Puntland” forces. 16. The situation in “Somaliland” has remained stable during the reporting period, with the exception of a few security incidents related to the “presidential” elections held in June. However, isolated clashes were reported in the disputed Sool and Sanaag regions, in particular the Buuhoodle border area between a group known as the Sool, Sanaag and Cayn militia and “Somaliland” troops. 17. Continuing insecurity has hampered United Nations operations in Somalia by limiting freedom of movement for United Nations staff and contractors. In July, Al-Shabaab seized the compound of the World Food Programme (WFP) and the houses of six national staff in Wajid and attempted to loot non-food items from the WFP compound in Buaale. United Nations security missions continued in the central regions to assess the security conditions and obtain assurances from local authorities for an expansion of United Nations operations from Gaalkacyo to Dhuusamarreeb and to the coastal town of Hobyo....... 34. Monitoring networks recorded some 138 incidents of rape, attempted rape/ sexual assault, forced prostitution and domestic violence for the period from May to July 2010. Assessments revealed a high prevalence of sexual violence in settlements of internally displaced persons, mainly in “Somaliland”, where victims were generally of minority clan origin and bereft of clan protection. It should be noted that gender-based violence remains grossly under-reported, particularly in southern and central Somalia. 35. Human trafficking both inside and outside Somalia remains a serious concern. In May, a report by the International Organization for Migration (IOM) highlighted the widespread nature of trafficking and the vulnerabilities of internally displaced persons and economic migrants, particularly women and children. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacaylbaro Posted September 16, 2010 The situation in “Somaliland” has remained stable during the reporting period, with the exception of a few security incidents related to the “presidential” elections held in June. However, isolated clashes were reported in the disputed Sool and Sanaag regions, in particular the Buuhoodle border area between a group known as the Sool, Sanaag and Cayn militia and “Somaliland” troops. Hmmmm ,, Not bad at all Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NASSIR Posted September 16, 2010 ^indeed SL is by far the best place to live.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted September 16, 2010 15. The security situation in “Puntland” has generally become more volatile for several reasons, including inter-clan disputes and continuing targeted assassinations of government officials. Further exacerbating the situation was the increased activity of a clan militia located in the foothills of the Golis mountain range, believed to have close connections to Al-Shabaab. On 23 July, that militia attacked five villages and a military checkpoint along the main road between Boosaaso and Garoowe, which triggered fierce clashes with “Puntland” forces. Thus Nassir posts a thread that completely rubishes his stance towards Attam. 1. That he has close connection to Al Shabaab, as any agent would. 2. That his militia attacked the state.. Good, and this came out before the ONLF brilliantly exposed the Somaliland myth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NASSIR Posted September 16, 2010 It's too much to expect of "Somaliland" for what Ethiopia, the most powerful country in the Horn hasn't been able to accomplish: guarantee the security of oil firms in the ****** basin. Yet and yet the report disproves Puntland's claim that deliberately avoided to designate Atam's forces as "clan militia". My stance that Atam's militia is made up ofclan forces is now clear and valid claim as you can see it in the report. The details of why they have mobilized in defense of their territory is not necessary. On the other hand, the report still employes the phrasal verb Believe to be that quite means something that is thought to exist but subject to complete verification. And PL has yet to produce one shred of evidence concerning its spurious charges. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted September 16, 2010 ^^Nassir adeer, what evidence do we need other than his own Paltalk admission? Also this report does mention his links to Al Shabaab as the other ones also mentioned that he supplied Al Shabaab weapons. The other important thing that you missed out is that it also blames him for starting the clashes by attacking villages and a police check point. Puntland does not need to provide evidence, as Garad Eid stated no one made Attam a clan leader or elected him for anything to do with the clan. Again today are you an Attam supporter or not? Or maybe you have switched over to the secessionist camp.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thankful Posted September 16, 2010 Originally posted by Nassir: The UN Monitoring Group reports are extremely biased and based on questionable findings. I don't know if some members of its committee has special relationship with "Somaliland" but their reports correlate very close with the secessionists' news information, editorials and opinions. It does in fact glean most of its sources from Hargeisa. In its last report (I believe) it alleged that the people of Sanaag and western Bari regions supply arms and weapons into the ONLF in order to facilitate support for their expansionist policies of SL against our regions. The UN Monitoring Group is very corrupt that it has turned into tool for others to advance their own narrow interests. Nassir SOL This is what Nassir said about the last UN report, in which it cleary stated Atom's terrorist agenda! Yet for the newest report Nassir says that Yet and yet the report disproves Puntland's claim that deliberately avoided to designate Atam's forces as "clan militia". My stance that Atam's militia is made up ofclan forces is now clear and valid claim as you can see it in the report. The details of why they have mobilized in defense of their territory is not necessary. ".....So the reports that you agree with you will quote but the others you will call corrupt. As well Nassir, everything is believed to be, until it is proven in court nothing can be said to hold any weight. Basically what Nassir and this report is saying is that Atam is supported by a clan militia, which was defeated in a day and forced to hide in the mountains, Atam said on the BBC interview that he is fighting those that are against the Islamic Creed or Shahada...who he says are backed by the U.S and Ethiopia. Atam aslo says that he must resort to hit and run tactics and he questioned why the people are helping him. So the man and his clan militia are very weak right and incapable of defeating the Puntland government? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xudeedi Posted September 16, 2010 The fact that Atam has mobilized clan militias from the sub-clan that resides in Galgala is undisputable. He clarified this very statement in many interviews with both BBC and VOA. They are men here in the U.S who know Atams men by names and have confirmed that his militias are 100% from the sub-clan of Galgala. Facts must be assorted from wishes. Atam is from Husein Idris sub-clan who inhabit Madarshoon, Galgala, Karin, Bosaso and others in Western Bari. If his sub-clan were not assisting him, he would have not survived this long. His militias receive food, medical treatment and ammunition from his sub-clan. A fact understood by top officials of the clan fiefdom in Garowe. Their aim is obvious as I have numerous stated here on SOL. They are committed to confront injustices that have long been instituted in Bosaso, a city they hold large share in. They are even rumors that Mr.Geeldoon, head of Bosaso city council from Atam’s sub clan has resigned from his post, although not confirmed. Thanksful: the report that you are reffering to was conducted by the U.N Monitoring Group, an organization directed by Matt Bryden (a corrupt individual with ties to Somalia). This is a report from the secretary. Also your making up stuff here. In the report that you are reffering to, the state that he violated arms embargo, they never accused him of any terror related activities. Despite what your clan wishes for, the war will continue and instability will surelly be an end product. Your claims to victory is indeed comical, where is your victory when your confronted on the dailly basis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thankful Posted September 16, 2010 Originally posted by Xudeedi: The fact that Atam has mobilized clan militias from the sub-clan that resides in Galgala is undisputable. He clarified this very statement in many interviews with both BBC and VOA. They are men here in the U.S who know Atams men by names and have confirmed that his militias are 100% from the sub-clan of Galgala. Facts must be assorted from wishes. Atam is from Husein Idris sub-clan who inhabit Madarshoon, Galgala, Karin, Bosaso and others in Western Bari. If his sub-clan were not assisting him, he would have not survived this long. His militias receive food, medical treatment and ammunition from his sub-clan. A fact understood by top officials of the clan fiefdom in Garowe. Their aim is obvious as I have numerous stated here on SOL. They are committed to confront injustices that have long been instituted in Bosaso, a city they hold large share in. They are even rumors that Mr.Geeldoon, head of Bosaso city council from Atam’s sub clan has resigned from his post, although not confirmed. Thanksful: the report that you are reffering to was conducted by the U.N Monitoring Group, an organization directed by Matt Bryden (a corrupt individual with ties to Somalia). This is a report from the secretary. Also your making up stuff here. In the report that you are reffering to, the state that he violated arms embargo, they never accused him of any terror related activities. Despite what your clan wishes for, the war will continue and instability will surelly be an end product. Your claims to victory is indeed comical, where is your victory when your confronted on the dailly basis. So I am making things up, this is what they said about him in the report that I am referring to. The rugged, mountainous terrain of eastern Sanaag region, inhabited mainly by members of the ********** sub-clan of the ***** *******, has long been associated with smuggling and arms trafficking. In its report of December 2008, the Monitoring Group described the emergence of a Shabaab-affiliated militia headed by a ********** former arms dealer (see section IV.A. below). Since 2008, eastern Sanaag has also become associated with another threat to peace and security: piracy. Further Xudeedi, that Last UN Report already stated what this new report is saying, there is little to no difference between these two reports except the Monitoring Groups report from March 2010 is substantially bigger and detailed. Several recent incidents have been specifically attributed to Mohamed Sa’iid “Atom”,78 described in the Monitoring Group’s report of December 2008 (S/2008/769), whose activities pose a growing threat to peace and security in both Puntland and Somaliland. 147. Although he remains essentially a ********** clan warlord, Atom reportedly calls his militia the “Eastern Sanaag Mujahidicen”79 The Monitoring Group has received eyewitness reports that Atom continues to import arms from Yemen and to receive consignments from Eritrea, including 120-mm mortars, which may have been transferred to southern Somalia. Also, if you read the UN Monitoring report from (December 2008 less than 2 years ago), it says this about Atam. UN Monitoring Report 2008 Since 2006, a new armed group has emerged in the region of eastern Sanaag, in the largely ungoverned area disputed by the Somaliland and Puntland authorities. The militia is led by Mohamed Sa’id “Atom”, and comprises as many as 250 fighters. The group has been implicated in incidents of kidnapping, piracy and terrorism, and imports its own weapons, in violation of the arms embargo. So, no I am not making things about Atam’s alleged ties to terrorism, of course as I have stated it has not been proven in court. If you want to attack Matt Bryden as a person because he made a report that was unflattering towards those that you support then you can, but you need to first see what he said in that report and compare it to this report that Nassir has posted. For instance, the Monitoring Group from March 2010 said this back in March 2010 Meanwhile, Atom appears to be preparing to confront both the Puntland and the Somaliland authorities more directly. If you see in this new UN report that Nassir has posted it says that On 23 July, that militia attacked five villages and a military checkpoint along the main road between Boosaaso and Garoowe, which triggered fierce clashes with “Puntland” forces. So this new UN Report states exactly what the Monitoring Group had predicted many months ago, that Atam would attack Puntland! Again, these two UN Reporter are virtually the same except for size. Both state that Atam gets his support from a clan militia and both say he is alleged to be tied to terrorism. P.S stop with these clan, clan, clan…even Atam never mentions it, he has clearly stated that he is against those that he believes are against Islam, for him it is religious. I am not sure what you define as surviving, Atam is a man in hiding who is forced to retreat. If you state that Atam is being supported and aided by his sub-clan because he is fighting against injustice, then why did he have to retreat from his base, as he has stated himself? Why haven't they ensured his safety? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted September 16, 2010 The dilemma for the Attam supporters is simple. If it’s a local uprising and a clan struggle then it’s a weak one and bodes badly for the clan and its overall ego. If it’s a “religious” movement then it has had no impact since the clashes have been minimal since the first days clashes at the start of the fighting and Attam has lost allot of men and all the territory he once held. If it is a combination of “religious” Al Shabaab, and a sub clan mix, then Attam is by far the worst leader in history. It’s a no win situation for them. The strategy of the Radical Diaspora supporters of Attam has now shifted to whole sale clan insults and ludicrous attacks on individuals. Even the daily reporting of fictitious clashes and “Attam has taken over Galgala” have now been reduced. The Attam affair clearly shows that clan incitement is not as effective political tool as some people hoped it would be, also its positive that the people of Puntland have moved on. The small pockets of resistance still holding outwill only further frustrate this group who are fighting a “war” all on their own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xudeedi Posted September 16, 2010 Adeer I don’t want to further demean your comprehension of the reports, but your last post only highlights added contradictions. The reports categorize Atam as a clan leader with potential link to Islamist groups, thus that tosses everything you and others from your clan (SSDF) have illustrated here on SOL. Those same reports label Faroole as a pirate and referred to the clan fiefdom in Garowe as incompetent thugs doomed with countless matters. Also the latest crisis group report illustrated how Puntland draws on claim to Sool and Sanaag as a bargaining chip for the SSDF clan. If what these organizations write is true, then Farole is a pirate; Puntland is an SSDF fiefdom and so forth. A sub sub sub clan that inhabits western Bari has confronted the clan fiefdom in Garowe. Indeed certain Makhiri sub-clans have supported the clan fiefdom along with some of the most armed Makhiri men in Somalia including Ilka Jiir, Abdi-Jamaal, Saciid Shire, Dahir Qodax, Bootaan, etc. Who is weak? The clan fiefdom that you paraded for 12 years along with mercenaries from Sool and Sanaag were humiliated in broad daylight. Tuuta-weyne, commander of your clan fiefdom was wounded along with militias from your clan as evidenced by the photos I presented here on SOL. You’ve cried and have been emotionally scarred as even our good Duke went as far as insulting the entire Makhiri clan. Your ministers have repeatedly been calling BBC day and night only to convey blasphemous claims to the world (waan soo afjaraynaa). You arrested innocent media officials and your president went as far as calling the prominent reporter Ali Haraare a clanist. You paid agents including Abdulahi ali Ciid and poured enormous amount of energy to combat a sub-sub-sub-sub clan. Was it not 2 days ago when your press minister told BBC that you lost men in a skirmish near Galgala? Yes Have you captured any prisoners from Atam? No Many on SOL have raised a question that serves as a testimony to how weak your clan fiefdom is. “How can a fiefdom so weak ever free Laas’anood?” All this for a sub-clan from Galgala alone, even subclans from nearby villages have not joined the war. What do these men from Western Bari want? “Dalka ka-dhoofa anaga ayaa xukumeeno”. The man has said it, “ninkii dhoof ku yimid bay geeridu dhibaysaa.” The war will continue until justice is attained. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted September 16, 2010 It’s clear that you have comprehension issues and in order not to further confuse you I shall try to be as clear and make everything as simple as possible. So bare with me if you can. Let me repeat for umpteenth time, this is not a clan war, nor a war over resources, nor even a war in the traditional sense of the word. Its not a war as we have become accustomed to in the Somali civil war. These skirmishes between the Al Shabaab agent Attam and his militia and the State of Puntland arose out of the miscalculation made by Attam. As we have highlighted to you before and the events themselves acknowledge that he started the skirmishes. He was defeated in battle after a single day and lost all his territories including the village of Galgala which served as his headquarters for a few years and the place he claims to have been born. Now the facts don’t lie and this is not a Rambo style contest of acting tough and scoring inane points. If we look at this purely from military point of view Attam’s defeat and the shock it sent his militias and sympathizers was astonishing in its ease and so far the security of the state is much better than before the skirmishes began. Its ironic to note that a police operation in Jaimaca this year against a bandit cost the lives of hundreds of people and much destruction in the Galgala skirmishes Attam lost many men, one of his main commanders was caught wounded and died in custody on the first day of battles. Many of his AL Shabaab cells in the city of Bossaso were cleaned out and there has not been a single bombing in the city since his defeat. Coming back to the claims of “Clan war” and justice, Attam’s sub clan have a number of MP’s Ministers, Mayors who represent the state like any other, none of these individuals have resigned, let alone join Attam. Aside from a few forged elders petition and rushed interviews on the BBC its telling that no one has stuck his kneck out for this “Popular” hero and clan chief Attam. Even those who scream the loudest and make threats online, in Galgalanews.com and even on this forum will never come out and support their man in public. Thus if Attam is fighting for a just cause, for the people, and has mobilized the sub clan and has the support of the Diaspora Why then is this cause not worthy of their true support? Attam does not even show his face, yet he is ready to be martyred? His supporters are here foaming from the mouth ready to fight the “SSDF” and defend the “indigenous” rights of the local clans of “Western Bari”. On the Puntland side we know who our leaders are, who our commanders are, our MP’s are not afraid and even ina Faroole is well known and gets his message across. Dalka ka-dhoofa anaga ayaa xukumeeno”. The man has said it, “ninkii dhoof ku yimid bay geeridu dhibaysaa.” The war will continue until justice is attained. On the Attam side we have a faceless commander, and that’s it just a silly man who contradicts himself, and who has lost the “war” his few out of touch supporters were wishing for in a single day. Thus no sane person can take this man and his mission seriously nor the rhetoric of his supporters until they have the confidence to believe in this cause. Untill then Justice my foot… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thankful Posted September 16, 2010 General Duke, I have no clue why these guys choose to support Atam, he has made it clear his is a religious war. Xudeedi, no doubt the majority of Atam's men most likely come from the tribes that reside in the area's he set up base. I will not deny that, however, you logic is flawed. You see this does not mean he has support of the community and elders. Because like I have said many times if Atam has clan support then please explain to me why he had to retreat so quickly (he admits he retreating)? How was Puntland able to make him flee in a day and force him to be fearful to show his face? Either he has no support which is why he lost ground, or if he does have support - as you say, then the support he has is so weak it can't protect him. You obviously will never admit a single negative thing about this guy, because if you think Puntland was humiliated then you are obviously not be rational. Puntland showed pictures the very next day after the fight of its vice-president and interior minister touring Atam's base that they captured. Puntland went to Atam's base which is in a mountainous area, I truly expected this to cost a lot more lives then it had, the terrain is difficult and I never ever thought they would make Atam retreat, let alone in one day. Puntland has definitely lost people, that is what happens when you are on the offensive and the other side is defended an area, I knew it would be difficult. About who is winning, let me start by saying Allah u naxariisto too those that have died! Also, you have no clue what constitutes victory and what does not....deaths, prisoners do not! What matters the most is who is gaining ground and who is losing it. Listen to Atam, he admits he retreated; he questions why locals haven't defended themselves! So you can say this man has been killed or that man, but Puntland is the one that took areas away that Atam once controlled and the man has never shown his face! If his cause is just, why is he in hiding? He use to talk about taking Bosasso and now he can't even take back the town he lost! That is why he is weak, and whoever supports him is weak as well. Enough with Atam though he is old news, he can only resort to hit and run tactics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted September 16, 2010 Thankful, its clear who lost. When a person or group attacks a whole clan, insults people and then makes up facts and clashes then clearly that person and his group have lost. However the right question is here, why make hostility and declare a war you don’t want to fight? The Attam man is scared to show his face, he hides and only ever talks on the phone, which successful rebel leader in history has done this? Thus its easy to break down these lies. Garad Cali Ciid, IlkaJiir, Abdi Jamal our leadrrs not only speak but we know who they are, they inspire the troops because they are amongst them. This fraud and his naked supporters just make outrageous accusations and attacks from the safety of their anonymity, because they know they will lose and then melt back into the state… Simple really. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NASSIR Posted September 17, 2010 Thanksful: the report that you are reffering to was conducted by the U.N Monitoring Group, an organization directed by Matt Bryden (a corrupt individual with ties to Somalia). This is a report from the secretary. Well said Xudeedi. Thankfuk, you seem to have amnesia of what I've been telling you and the folks in here. The latest reports from AP, UN Secretariat, and so on disprove the puppet regime's earlier allegations. You are sticking to an outdated reports, all of which preceded the Galgala conflict.(Do ur homework and just compare the dates) I'll be back IA should time permit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites