Embrace TFG now before....

[Khalaf]

The realistic alternative would be to let the TFG do its work and not resist.......war or having somalia become the new iraq has no benefits for our country, ethiopian troops can always leave their destruction behind......any government is better then chaos or being bombed to stone age......Its unrealistic to have shariah in Somalia now or anywhere else in the muslim ummah. 1: the enemies are many 2: the muslim public is not trained/ready.

 

I would say take the approach of the muslim brotherhood in Egypt work on the communities, civil service, the people will follow.......war, car bombings, is not the answer right now.

[Taliban]

Originally posted by Khalaf:

Its unrealistic to have shariah in Somalia now or anywhere else in the muslim ummah. 1: the enemies are many 2: the muslim public is not trained/ready.

Somalia had Sharia' for 6 months. The majority of Somalis benefitted from Sharia'; it offered them security, justice, trust, better productivity, environmental protection, iwm. Therefore, it's not unrealistic to have Sharia' in Somalia now or anytime in the future. The problem, as I have outlined, is with the constitutions of Ethiopia and the US; both ban Somalis from adopting Sharia'. And you are wrong; the (majority of the) Muslim public is ready for Sharia', has always been ready for it. If you think I am wrong, poll SOL members.

[Khalaf]

^^No sxb i dont think u wrong many good things were done in those 6 mths, they were somalia's best hope even with the faults. but thats not the point, point is even if there was no ethios or uncle sam.... u cant deny man between somalis/muslim their would be ideological struggles, fights, ect..... u need not to look far sxb check on the masjids and islamic organizations....we cant even celebrate eid on the same day in the same city.... There is no unity the time the Prophet scw described is here!

[Taliban]

Originally posted by Khalaf:

u need not to look far sxb check on the masjids and islamic organizations....we cant even celebrate eid on the same day in the same city....

But those masjids are located in the West. In Muslim countries, it's different. For instance, in Somalia, all Muslims celebrate Eid on the same day. Your analogy is unfair.

[Khalaf]

^^Sxb the muslim world is complex......the discussion here is what is good for somalia right now? A resistance war (with their weakness) is not a good option but its not my call.

[Alle-ubaahne]

Baashi is the best example of habar-fadisho lagdin la fudud! lol

 

Saaxiib dagaalka waan wadeynaa insha-Allah, geedkaa gaarto miro ka guro!

[Libaax-Sankataabte]

Garaad Baashow, you’ve become quite the pragmatist, didn’t ya?

 

Originally posted by NGONGE:

[Yeey] stands as a living representation (in the eyes of everyone else) of all that is bad about his clan (rightly or wrongly of course). As long as he is president, he will have opposition from almost all sides.

NGONGE, I tend to agree with you on that old man. Yeey is a very polarizing figure and an distant one at that. However, it is imperative for the levelheaded folks not to loose track of how this great calamity came falling on us. In reality, the “Somali problem” transcends Yeey, the ICU or the recent Ethiopian invasion. To appreciate the subject matter, one needs to merely borrow garaad Baashi’s term "negative tribalism" and decode it splendidly.

 

In simple “fadhi-ku-dirir” terms, today it is Cabdiqasim’s sub-sub clan and few other allied clans who feel “politically alienated” the most for they represented the core power base of the now disbanded ICU. Tomorrow it will be Yeey and Gheedi’s sub clans who will demonstrate similar sentiments when the “Wind of Victory” changes course as is quite often in Somali politics. It is a vicious cycle.

 

What is the solution?

 

I am a strong advocate of Shariah rule which in all probability is the best line of attack to "confront" this inherent problem. Having said that, Shariah in the most genuine form, can only take roots as the end result of a long indoctrination process (I still get jitters when I see pictures of thousands of civilians welcoming warlord Maxamed Dheere back to Jowhar). It will require time and a great level of effort to completely transform the present Somali psyche. The “who, how and when” is all open for a debate.

[Alle-ubaahne]

^^Saaxiib Libaax ba'ay ha noqon, shareecada hirgalinteeda waxay u baahan tahay hogaan fiican oo kaliyah, sidii aan hadeerba ku aragnay Magaalada Muqdisho, balse inaad shuruud kaga dhigto 'a long-term indoctrination' waa arin wax kama jiraan ah.

 

Let's remain the vicious cycle if we can't get what the vast majority of somali people are asking, which is the uncompromised Islamic Law and governance!

[Libaax-Sankataabte]

^^

 

Alle-Ubaahnoow, one can go on and on, and bring forth a laundry list of criticism, mishaps and could-have-beens today, but the fundamental fact remains, and I hope you agree with me on this, that the ICU experiment is a stepping stone for brighter days to come even if the typical pragmatist perceived their recent rush to war as comic miscalculation at best.

[Alle-ubaahne]

Originally posted by Libaax-Sankataabte:

^^

 

Alle-Ubaahnoow, one can go on and on, and bring forth a laundry list of criticism, mishaps and could-have-beens today, but the fundamental fact remains, and I hope you agree with me on this, that the ICU experiment is a stepping stone for brighter days to come even if the typical pragmatist perceived their recent rush to war as comic miscalculation at best.

Yes, awoowe, I agree, but don't you think there is nothing to discount of our previous wishes - the peak of our Islamic Military Power i.e. to have a complete Islamic system no matter what the world paints on us - in this state of less military power of UIC?

 

Waa inaan wadnaa howsha intey gabar gabadheed naga nooshahay, awoowe!

[Abu-Salman]

Although I firmly believe that the root cause of Somali mayhem is Western secularism, instead of "tribalism" which could be assimilated somehow to a different version of regionalism, we all agree that Shariah implementation is not only our fundamental Islamic obligation but also the only empowering tool available to our wisests in the urgent necessity of filling the moral void left by the colonization and the concomitant loss of traditional values such as the established Somali culture of respect for the elders, consensus and dialogue, as the chaotic sedentarization associated with acculturation and materialism attracted khat addicted youth in the hands of ruthless warlords with neither religious nor traditional authority (colonial legacies of tribals elders marginalization being pursued by the successive secular democracy or socialist regimes).

 

One just have to imagine Western societies deprived of their historical capital of "Judeo-Christian ethics" alongside their core values/coherent hierarchy of authority and their masses left with little other reference than the unmitigated pursuit of personal enrichment at all cost to realize the extent of ravages; a most tragical situation, moreover further exacerbated by foreign interferences in our context (not least in the form of pseudo "assistance").

 

When the civilian "democratic" governments succumbed to state-sponsored, institutionalized corruption and suicidal nepotism, it was hardly surprising that the acclaimed military regime irresistibly went down the very same path he so ardently criticized in his rethoric.

 

Thus, clan manipulations by state authorities should be seen as a consequence in the light of that ruthless struggle for political supremacy and its associated economic benefits, mainly in the form of the rather nefast foreign aid (for most Somalis Islam is their prime source of identity nevertheless, as testified by ICU success to recruit from every corners, although nationalism is still very present too).

 

 

What is the

solution

?

 

I am a strong advocate of Shariah rule which in all probability is the best line of attack to "confront" this inherent problem. Having said that, Shariah in the most genuine form, can only take roots as the end result of a long indoctrination process (

I still get jitters when I see pictures of thousands of civilians welcoming warlord Maxamed Dheere back to Jowhar

). It will require time and a great level of effort to completely transform the present Somali psyche. The “who, how and when” is all open for a debate.

 

Good point indeed.But this could also amount to "begging the question".

 

How could the badly needed indoctrination process be engineered when Ulemas are fair game, let alone being in charge of the education system or responsible for the national curriculum?

 

More fundamentally, is not self-defence a requirement at some point, especially when hunted down in his own occupied country by foreign powers who make little secret of their crusade inspiration

[NGONGE]

LST, couldn't agree more. But you’re talking about levelheaded people here while I was trying to roll with the punches.

[Fabregas]

Embrace t.f.g before it's too late.I hear that those Ugandans, South Africa, and Nigerians are quite muscular folk. If you oppose the t.f.g abdullahi yusuf might unleash them on you.