1 million.

[Juje]

Originally posted by Caamir:

^May Allah help them out. IA, they will get support from both inside and outside the country.

How will it come, and what will the support relieve them from since they are shields as you say? Or are you all of a sudden feel sorry for them?

[NASSIR]

I didn't say they are shields, but they were used as shields by the insurgents. I don't understand why pro-insurgents morally justify the impunity with which the insurgents carry out its relentless combat operation in the city.

 

I often urge for the two main groups to come together and make peace for the sake of their own people. As you can see Ethiopia is willing to pull out by the time the 8,000 strong AU troops come.

 

I even doubt whether the AU troops would be spared.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

the city should be vacated anyways so a more through clean up, rebuilding and deterrorizetion

[Cara.]

You mean it's necessary to destroy Xamar in order to save it?

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

cara, walaal, there is nothing destroy in xamar.

[xiinfaniin]

^^Don’t be guilty-ridden adeer! Admit that you don’t care whether Xamar is destroyed or not!

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

War xiinow, i have nothing to be guilty about, i hope that xamar will be rebuilt to what it was if not better, is that something to feel guilty about?

[Armchair Politician]

Originally posted by rudy:

xamar was 3 million! prior to uncle's wild party.

It was once upon a time a city of 3 million, before the Ethiopian invasion it stood at about 2.4 million.

 

This is only counting the million people in IDP camps, not the people who had somewhere else to go, so the number of people who have left Mogadishu is probably twice that.

 

I'd say there's probably only about 400,000 people left in Mogadishu.

[rudy-Diiriye]

well here is the latest estimate!!

 

Number of displaced in Somalia tops 1 million mark

November 21st, 2007 Number of displaced in Somalia tops 1 million mark. The UN refugee agency announced on Tuesday that by its latest estimates the number of displaced people inside Somalia has risen sharply to a staggering one million. UNHCR said 60 percent of the population, or some 600,000 people, are believed to have fled from the lawless Somali capital, Mogadishu, since February – nearly 200,000 of them in the past two weeks alone, leaving entire neighbourhoods in the volatile capital empty. The numbers of displaced this year are in addition to some 400,000 people displaced by previous fighting.

 

The displacement figures, updated regularly through information received from a network of local partners and compiled by UNHCR, show the number of internally displaced people (IDPs) in Mogadishu has risen to an estimated 43,000 people from 33,000 a week ago.

 

Many IDPs in Mogadishu are sheltering with relatives and friends, sharing cramped rooms with several other families. An increasing number of IDPs have also headed to makeshift settlements in Mogadishu neighbourhoods such as Madina/Wadajir, Dayniile, Waaberi, Dharkenley and Kaaran.

 

At the same time, estimates on the number of IDPs living in desperate conditions in more than 60 makeshift settlements along the 30-kilometre stretch of road linking Mogadishu westwards to the town of Afgooye have shot up to nearly 200,000 – a 50 percent increase in the past two weeks alone.

 

“We are also beginning to see new arrivals from Mogadishu in areas as far afield as Afmadow, Sakow, Jillib and Bu’uale in the Juba valley about 350 km south-west of Mogadishu. There are an estimated 8,500 IDPs in these areas,” UNHCR spokesperson, Jennifer Pagonis, said in Geneva on Tuesday.

 

A UN inter-agency mission to Afgooye on Saturday echoed reports of dire living conditions for IDPs living in the area. Families continue to lack proper shelter and consistently resort to using any material – mostly plastic bags and rags – to patch up their flimsy dome-shaped shelters.

 

IDPs told the inter-agency team their most urgent need was food, with many children being malnourished. IDPs also expressed a pressing need for health care. Many relied on one hospital and some mobile clinics operated by NGOs, but the health needs of those displaced surpassed the capacity of these structures.

 

Displaced children in the settlements have not attended formal school in months, although a few Koranic schools have been set up in some areas.

 

Many of the IDPs told the team that they felt relatively safe in the Afgooye area. In general, landlords who provide IDPs with a tiny patch of land to erect their shelters, also provide security. IDPs usually have to pay 1,000 Somali shillings a day – US$1.5 a month – a sum which may seem tiny but is a burden to families who are totally destitute.

 

Some IDPs also have to give part of the humanitarian aid they receive to gatekeepers, individuals who act as self-proclaimed managers in some of the settlements. In addition, IDPs pay for the use of latrines – often too few for the number of people.

 

Although IDPs express confidence in security in the Afgooye area, UNHCR has become increasingly worried about security incidents there in the last several days. On Sunday, an explosion in Afgooye town killed six people, creating panic among the IDPs. On Friday, an aid worker was killed by a stray bullet as she helped distribute relief supplies to needy IDPs in the area.

 

Elsewhere, another inter-agency team based in Galkayo, 700 km north of Mogadishu, visited late last week the Dusa Mareb area in Galgaduud – the first visit to the area in nearly six months. The Galgaduud area has an estimated 120,000 IDPs – some of them former residents of Mogadishu.

 

The team visited five towns and found that in some areas the population had more than doubled, placing a huge strain on host communities. Because of persistent insecurity, regular humanitarian assistance to these areas south of Galkayo has been ad hoc and dependent on security access. Water, health and sanitation needs are immense. UNHCR is working to establish a presence in the area.

 

http://free-somalia.org/?p=407

[Seekknowledge]

He mans a Qabil got cleansed in the early 90s and the same is happening today

What is wrong with you guys this is not something that happened centuries ago and we can argue about if it is true or not. :confused:

Pretending that never happened wont help GJ. We need to face our dark history and work on the future. Negotiations is the only answer. This so called insurgents tell them to give back the houses they are living right now and give it to the owners cleansed as you put it from the city and maybe they will all support them. They are acting like the israelis calling for the international community to help them while living on Palestinian properties.

[Armchair Politician]

UIC returned properties to people, regardless of their clan. That was one of their priorities.

 

"The Government" has not done this, in fact rather the reverse.

[Nephissa]

Originally posted by Armchair Politician:

UIC returned properties to people, regardless of their clan. That was one of their priorities.

 

"The Government" has not done this, in fact rather the reverse.

I cannot "amen" loud enough for this reply.

 

Amen.

[Seekknowledge]

which properties? The ones who had relationship with their own? Well you don't want to admit what happened to the ethnic cleansing in Xamar how about King Indhacadde did they tell him to give back the properties? Nooooooooooo on the contrary they gave him the title Sheikh and told him never to live the bread basket of somalia. This government never had the chance to give back anything because they never give them a chance on the contrary they had the chance and choose not to.

[Fabregas]

Originally posted by xiinfaniin:

^^Don’t be guilty-ridden adeer! Admit that you don’t care whether Xamar is destroyed or not!

saxiib, he believes reer Muqdisho should be sent to the countryside for "dhaqan celis".....

[Fabregas]

Originally posted by Seekknowledge:

which properties? The ones who had relationship with their own?

So people from Northern Somalia who returned from the diaspora to get their houses back from the I.C.U belong their "own"?