Juje Posted January 14, 2009 The TFG disintegration has not halted at the resignation of Yeey . It is quite obvious now that it is heading to an unchartered areas of conflict. We have on one side PM Nuur Caade calling for a unification of ARS and TFG parliament and the seating to be temporarily moved to Djibouti , and in there the combined parliamentarians to elect a new President . He has the support of the UN special representative and most of the donor countries not mentioning Djibouti who will host what is termed as an historical event. On the other hand we have the acting president of the TFG and who is also the Speaker of parliament calling for the utter opposite – that the process of electing a new president should be conducted in Baydhabo, where the TFG parliament are legally based, and that it should exclusively and solely be done by the recognised TFG parliamentarians. He has the support of IGAD, the US Ambassador for Somalia based in Nairobi , and it is heavily rumoured he has the strong backing of the Ethiopians – please note that the support of the latter is also present in Nuur Caade’s camp , therefore it is evidently clear it is working towards the creation of confusion and chaos. Two extremely opposing views that could possibly see the emergence of two governments, one based in Baydhabo and another based in Mogadishu. Who in your view do you think is right and why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Resistance Posted January 14, 2009 they all wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peace Action Posted January 14, 2009 It is clear that both of them are clueless and it shows how flowed was the Djibouti accord. What was the point of doubling an existing parliament and giving to the same group the extra seating without any clarification of how the seats will be distributed. This was purely intended to sideline the President without having any plan on future course of action. Hence the confusion, The main problom in Somalia is the Mogadishu clans who have refused for the past 18 years to pacify the south because of too many internal conflicts. Nothing will change until they realize they need to compromise for the sake of their own people and for the sake of saving the Somali nation. All the factions in Mogadishu should sit in dirrin as Bashi often repeats and reconcile and committ to peace w/o outside interfernce. If this happens, the Somali problem will be solved in no time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xiinfaniin Posted January 14, 2009 Peace action, The rationale for doubling the Parliament seats was to sideline what is perceived to be a corrupt PMs who have no regard for national considerations. It was to dilute their vote so it will not have the decisive effect it currently enjoys. While it has not been officially publicized or communicated, the method to distribute these seats will not be that much different then the one current parliament is based on. It will be 4.5. Only this time the head of opposition will have the luxury to select whom who deems representatives of his political platform. That itself could open another quandary as it will be hard to reconcile selecting the new members on clan bases yet denying the clan Isims to have a say in that selection. But that could be sorted out. What is difficult to control is Ethiopia’s meddling and continual interference in shaping the politics of Somalia. Considering Madoobe’s pronouncements, Ethiopia’s shrewdness will be tested soon. There is a hope if the Jabbuuti gathering takes place. But if a president in selected in Baydhabo, as Madoobe apparently wants, then the whole thing could go back to what it was prior to TFG’s inception. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abwaan Posted January 14, 2009 Xaaladdu ma sahlana meel culus ayeyna maraysaa wixii jiraba la arki doonee Insha Allaah. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Somali Pirate Posted January 15, 2009 bring back the icu. We had peace for 6 months in xamaar when they ruled. lot better than these warring politicians Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Juje Posted January 15, 2009 Originally posted by xiinfaniin: The rationale for doubling the Parliament seats was to sideline what is perceived to be a corrupt PMs who have no regard for national considerations. Then the rationale is absurd - are we to believe the proposed incoming 275 are free from corruption and hollier than thou. Where is the evidence and where have they been proven. We dont even know who they are going to be , their form of selection and the requirements used in pcking them. Hence it is in my opinion bit hasty to portray them as saviours of sanity while they are still abstract. The TFG parliament can be labeled as stooges, thugs, corrupted, etc. but they are there and present and visible. Furthermore they are legal and internationally recognised. They are in their seat of power and are open to amendment and changes in order to achieve a secured and safe environment for the country. But the rationale for asking them to move from Somalia to merge with another group based in Djibouti smells of controversy and predicts anarchy . I think Aden Madoobe , the Speaker, is now regretting the hands-up vote he allegedly conducted which approved the Djibouti Accord as its was. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacaylbaro Posted January 15, 2009 It is heading nowhere ,,, just like the same old circle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liqaye Posted January 18, 2009 The shady spoilers by Abdulkadir Mohamed -Ato Friday, January 16, 2009 It is not unusual that the Djibouti peace deal that some rightly dubbed the peace caravan of Prime Minister Nur Adde, Somalia's celebrated political son of the moment - to end the Ethiopian occupation and to form of an all-inclusive unity government - is at times shrouded in doubt. Now that he wants to run for the office of presidency, there are confusions of where would the elections be held? Would it be in Baidao or Djibouti? The confusion has to do with contradictory statements coming from the acting-president Aden Madobe, a former warlord. In recent days it has been reported that the acting-president and the speaker of the Transitional Federal Parliament, Aden Madobe, made a very incongruous statements, the latest in a series since assuming office with regards to the election of the next transitional president. He summoned the parliament to meet in Baidao at the end of January to elect a new president thus snubbing the expansion of the parliament seats to 550 and the establishment of a unity government in Djibouti before the election. There are those who believe that the speaker has undertaken a dubious design with the intent to dictate or undermine the Djibouti peace agreement ratified by a majority of the members of the parliament. The formation of an inclusive power-sharing government of national unity and the election or selection of its president is a serious matter. One wonders about the gravity of the acting-president/speaker's actions and motivations. What is the rush? Why convene already fractured and feuding parliamentarians to circumvent the Djibouti agreement? There are those who perceive this as a treasonous act dictated to the speaker by Ethiopia. Or is it just a mere folly on the part of Madobe? No one knows but Madobe must follow and obey the Djibouti peace deal and the wishes of Somalis for peaceful settlement after catastrophic civil war and enemy occupation. Predicting what might happen at the end of January and how it will affect the selection of the next transitional president is impossible but it would be interesting to see how the contradictory statements coming from Baidao and Djibouti deal work out. Now that the Ethiopians left the capital and supposedly from Somalia, would they totally wash their hands of Somalia and stay true to their withdrawal or would it continue to be business as usual? Would they continue having satellite spoilers and seditious subordinates to keep Somalia in failed state situation? Would they continue supplying weapons and spies to ruthless warlords to wreak more havoc in Somalia? The international community has some sway on Ethiopia. Ethiopia must stop be told to discontinue its destructive intervention and manipulation of the Somali political problems. The radical hordes of Shabaab are certainly the usual suspects who swore to be the foremost spoilers to the chances for peace in Somalia regardless of the Ethiopian withdrawal. Shabaab are obviously on the wrong track for rejecting to take part in the Djibouti peace deal. Their strict my-way or the-highway ideology is incompatible with the pragmatism needed to nurture goodwill and understanding between all Somali stakeholders. Al-Shabaab must understand that Somalia belongs to all Somalis and that Somalis don't subscribe to the same ideas and allegiances and their extremism is detested and unpopular. No group can dictate the destiny of a whole nation by means of terror and irrational adherences to detested dogmas. The level of violence they perpetrate against others in the name of a twisted interpretation of the beautiful religion is incredible and that not only defies humanity but mocks the same religious overtones they advocate. They could end up as sore losers if they prolong the violence in Somalia through extreme violence and slaughtering innocent civilians. Al-Shabaab's standing would then be on par of blood thirsty satanic cult in the eyes of many peace-loving and war-weary Somalis. Then you have those so-called moderate Sufi sects that with merciless salvo slaughtered scores of Shabaab soldiers. They seem to have appetite to prolong the sectarian wars as they swore to completely get rid of Shabaab heretics from every district in Somalia, which is beyond their reach. The sectarian wars started with a swagger in central Somalia and are being waged with senseless ferocity in an effort to settle old scores. Ironically Ash'ari, the Sufi leader in Guriceel where scores of Shabaabs were killed is said to be the brother-in-law of Dahir Aweys, the so-called spiritual leader of Al-Shabaab. This is just getting silly. All these religious sects should be aware that there is no justification for more bloodshed and they should be taught to get along and respect each other's ways of worshipping the same GOD and practicing the same RELIGION. Another uncertainty to the Djibouti peace deal has to do with the many irregular and unruly would-be Islamist spoilers lurking behind the scenes. The side of the discredited individuals from the Islamist camp and their rush to take hold of every base the Ethiopians abandoned is kind troubling. Some of them seem to be erratic in both their deliberations and dealings. They have known loose cannons as the infamous Sheikh Indha'Adde. His political and militia maneuverings have always been unpredictable. To make matters worse, Islamist screwballs are now darlings of Mogadishu media and websites. Some of them publicly proclaim some injudicious things that could be considered to challenge Sheikh Sharif's authority and the Djibouti peace deal. This is intolerable and these kinds of broadcasts must be discouraged. Unruly warlords and Islamist bullies should be restrained and told that there would be penalties for their subversive sabotage to spoil the Djibouti peace process. For those who are inclined to resolve things through fighting or want to grab power through the barrel of gun must know that insisting on their extreme ways would bring about their downfall. There are indications that most Somalis are dissatisfied with the radicalism and the continuation of the war. There is no external enemy within to justify the bloodshed of innocent people any more and you can't declare Jihad on fellow Muslims. This is the time for peace. Any group or individual that is not for peace would be seen as spoiler of peace. The Djibouti peace agreement is a landmark and one hope for the suffering people of Somalia to have peace and stability. Abdulkadir Mohamed -Ato abaadir0@gmail.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xiinfaniin Posted January 22, 2009 It's heading to Jabbuuti , in case Juje is still in doubt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabbal Posted January 22, 2009 ^I suspect the American stand had something to do with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xiinfaniin Posted January 22, 2009 Yes no doubt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Libaax-Sankataabte Posted January 22, 2009 Meles and Mefsin are sleeping sad today. Used and abused by Uncle Sam, the Habashis were discarded and told to get lost. Qoloba qolay u qayishay. Rag is guraye. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paragon Posted January 23, 2009 ^ Nimankaas caawa tiiraanyaa ku taagan lol. Originally posted by HornAfrique: ^I suspect the American stand had something to do with it. Lol. Adeer, wixii Cabdillaahi Yuusuf xamar ka carraabiyey wax yar ma ahayn ayaan anigu is iri. Somalis are always accused of being the puppets of Ethiopia or another state, laakiin maanta we're living in a world where the puppet that pulls the strings of another, soon enough finds himself his strings yanked so violently and abruptly lol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites