TFG..... Who...?

[Sabriye amp co.]

Somalia: After 15 Months under shameful Occupation, Sickening destruction and shattering of innocent lives..

 

This is what the Top Traitor of the Somali race had to say for him self in an interview: Click Here

 

Analysis:

 

 

“Ciidamada Itoobiyana bixi mayaan ilaa uu wadanka amni ka yimaado, kuwa kalena bixi mayaan, kuwo hor lehna waa la keenayaa”

Surely after all the destruction inflicted on the Somali people, scratches deepened to scars, Somali blood spilled on Somali soil which sounds all too familiar but this time ONLY to the pleasure of foreign elements as they have reduced Somalis to name calling such as “al Qaida” meanwhile hoping to gain any political relevance.

 

In the bleakest of moments, the most optimistic of Somalis would hope to see a step in the right direction, how ever small it is... Then the very reason to loose that naïve buoyancy and a boot of wake up call to reality arrives from the horse’s mouth.

[Sabriye amp co.]

The second quote:

 

“Ra’iisal Wasaaraha in uu yiri Al-Qaacidda baan la hadlayaa Anigu ma maqlin, haddey yeelayaan hala hadlo oo ay Al-Qaacidda ka harayaan, Laakin Adduunkaa na qabsanayee see la yeelayaa?”

The key note to make there is not the adopted cheap American anti Islamic propaganda but notice how the world’s perception of him is more important then reaching a viable solution with the Somali people and bringing back Somalia as nation.

 

So for a man who has no greater aspiration other then to please the world over his nation’s interest, what is there in a sane Somali person to ever call him anything along the lines of presidency, legit or illegitimate? From his speeches to his interviews, to his procedures he lacks common sense, moral, religious and nationalist principles and more importantly displays barely any positive political intent.

 

Further, flaws/humiliation from the horse’s mouth to come.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

Bottom line is, he will not negotiate with terrorist and why should they, no government in the world does for a good reason: You can't negotiate with some trying to blow up or will try to do so every time you disagree with.

 

"Surely after all the destruction inflicted on the Somali people, scratches deepened to scars, Somali blood spilled on Somali soil which sounds all too familiar but this time ONLY to the pleasure of foreign elements as they have reduced Somalis to name calling such as “al Qaida” meanwhile hoping to gain any political relevance."

 

Its a proof of small-mindedness that you see this issue as "Somalis vs. TFG". Those ********s-of-mogadishu, warlords, anarchist, and terrorist like the UIC and Shabaabs do are not Somalia. What i don't get is all this destruction and killings are inflicted on Somali people by those very people you support (terrorist), why not attack them instead of the man who is trying to protect the people from them.

[Sabriye amp co.]

LOL @ "No government in the world"

 

No government in the world has been too weak to even walk in to its own country with out the protection of a foreign army due to lack of support inside its country.

 

No government in the world has used foreign army to destroy its own people.

 

No government has ever been so weak after being militarily injected into a country (Somalia)like a poison and still being gradually spat out by the antibodies(Freedom fighters)although it had over a year of destruction inflicted on its people and millions of dollars to dust it self off.

 

 

Evidently TFG is and will always be just that "NO government" with out its people!

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

"No government in the world has been too weak to even walk in to its own country with out the protection of a foreign army due to lack of support inside its country."

 

yet again, you make up your own facts, time and agian, governements have asked for the asistance of other governments. One, if they are not walking, how on earth are they moving about in Somalia, they must have a lot of segways. as for lack of support in their ow country, you most be mistaking three districts in mogadishu (mogadishu itself is 16 districts) for the whole country because what you and the rest of shabaab-********s-terrorist-warlord supporters can't comprehend is that Somalia is country and Mogadishu is one of the cities in that country.

 

"No government in the world has used foreign army to destroy its own people." Africa is full of these kind of governments and every country having problems with pisky terrorist, but that is irrlevent because what does that have to do with the governemnt of Somalia, clearly by its people you do not mean those warlords and terrorist and "islamic courts" (another no where else fact: there is no where else in the world were self appionted religous courts tried to govern a country)

 

"No government has ever been so weak after being militarily injected into a country (Somalia)like a poison and still being gradually spat out by the antibodies(Freedom fighters)although it had over a year of destruction inflicted on its people and millions of dollars to dust it self off."

 

sad that you cantinue to view how ungovernable Somalia is as a TFG weakness when refects more on the country and its people then on the brave few are trying to govern it.

 

 

Evidently TFG is and will always be just that "NO government" with out its people!

do you mean a government without its people? am gonna assume thats what you mean because otherwise it makes no sense but either way you are wrong. How would you know anyway, do poll the people of Somalia (please give the full data if you do) or you get calls from formers warlords in mogadsihu who mistake their wishs for facts?

[Sabriye amp co.]

Getting calls from warlords would mean getting in contact with members of the TFG camp e.g Mps etc, and that sir is one thing I’m distinctively in opposition to.

 

Governments ask for help, TFG asked for an Invasion and a endless protection, Hoping Ethiopia can solve all its problems. Allowing Somalia to be supervised from Addis Ababa which then supports the fact that Somalia is under occupation.

 

With less then a year on THEIR clock, instead of showing strength and confidence, the old chap utters such spineless rhetoric’s (Ethiopia will stay with us and more will come)

 

Surely, this contradicts the laughable effort of trying to sound powerful or come across as an authority, legit or illegitimate!

 

About their movements, I don’t have to look further then this latest interview from the top traitor to know whom their very existence depends on!

Its all there, you call it a lie, you can all it distorted but every one could watch it live on universal TV. So it’s all there for you to tamper over.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

it doesn't matter where the ones your getting calls are, if they are in the government, they surrendered just like those shabaabs yesterday. Am not even gonna go into the silly distinction you make between governments asking for help and what the TFG asked for but is supervision from adis your talking about? If your talking about how to defeat those dowladiids, it could bloddy well be supervised from mars so long as they are defeated. No the government has no clock, they will ensure those dowladiids and terrorist are defeated, security restored and lay foundation for restoring statehood, then and only then will "they"leave. You call the government spineless but who is left to have a spine for, few children throwing grenades who out of desperation are starting to kill innocent people like the buses they blew up in Mogadishu or the oromas in bosaso? and why do they have try to sound powerful, relative, are they not, what ever their source of power or authority?

[Juje]

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed:

Bottom line is, he will not negotiate with terrorist and why should they, no government in the world does for a good reason: You can't negotiate with some trying to blow up or will try to do so every time you disagree with.....

Its a proof of small-mindedness that you see this issue as "Somalis vs. TFG". Those ********s-of-mogadishu, warlords, anarchist, and terrorist like the UIC and Shabaabs do are not Somalia. What i don't get is all this destruction and killings are inflicted on Somali people by those very people you support (terrorist), why not attack them instead of the man who is trying to protect the people from them.

Bottom line is that Yeey himself is a terrorist and thus should not be negotiated with -

sxb what makes you think that you and Yeey and co. are Somali while the others you mentioned are not.

 

As far as negotiation is concerned just watch how Nuur Caade is doing and what he achieves. Yeey is not good at that and should be left with making tantrums in Universal TV. It is common nowadays that Yeey and co. get agitated at the very mention of the word 'negotiation' - simply cause they are not on board.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

come on juje, how can you call the president a terrorist?

"sxb what makes you think that you and Yeey and co. are Somali while the others you mentioned are not."

I for one never claimed anyone else here was not Somali, might i also add that its you, MMA and perhaps other here who want to copyright "somalinimo". Its not about that at all. Whats disturbing is the people who try to find excuses or even worse, praise people as recently as few days murdered those poor Oromo refugees in bosaso or killed a bus full of old ladies in mogadishu. Please tell how those people are not the terrorist in the country. As for the president, like the man or hate him, he is working toward something we can all get behind: restoring our country.

[Juje]

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed:

As for the president, like the man or hate him, he is working toward something we can all get behind: restoring our country.

Ok sxb, for the sake of argument am sorry if I understood your Somalization code. But on Yeey moving forward, I give you the benefit of doubt - watch that Universal clip, and tell me Naxar in all sincerity whether that guy (Yeey)has any sort of inclination of restoring 'our' country..

[Armchair Politician]

Shabbab aren't terrorists though. They're an opposition paramilitary group.

 

Shabbab's methods and goals are to defeat the Ethiopian military and the TFG, whom they view as a puppet regime, and establish a new administration. They are a textbook rebel movement.

[Sabriye amp co.]

Armchair Politician.

 

Is it really up to a military group of any nature to establish an administration?

 

Free the country an give it back to its people. That should be ideal goal. Establishing sharia law is not a problem as it can be adopted in many ways into a national government.

 

Any effort to forcefully create an al shabaab lead admin will be meat fiercely by the Somali masses..

 

We have to learn from our mistakes and not leave mullahs to do politics with REAL POLITICIANS. That strategy have backfired before and it should never be allowed to happen again for the sake of those innocent people

[Armchair Politician]

Well the problem is that if a government refuses to negotiate with their opposition and are instead toppled by it, what is left is a vacuum, because there was no space made for such an eventuality to exist.

 

When this happens there are several things that can happen. The rebel movement can form a governing coalition of opposition groups and exiled politicians, it can set up a Junta and rule by the might of the gun, or it can fail to do either and collapse into chaos.

 

The Shabab is not the USC, it has a high degree of cohesiveness and could easily establish a Junta, though it would face considerable opposition itself. The hope is that the rift between the ARS and Shabab would be resolved before the TFG collapses.

 

The optimal situation would be where moderate elements of the present TFG would be allowed into a coalition government of national unity with a diminished role, and that radical elements of the Shabab be given nonpolitical roles in the military and police.

 

The biggest single thing that has to happen should the government fall is a rapid phasing-over of UIC, TFG and Shabab soldiers into well-paid military and police roles. This is the only guarantee against things dissolving again.

[Kashafa]

Originally posted by Armchair Politician:

Shabbab aren't terrorists though. They're an

opposition paramilitary group

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Shabbab's methods and goals are to defeat the Ethiopian military and the TFG, whom they view as a puppet regime, and establish a new administration. They are a textbook rebel movement.

The Shabab is not the USC, it has a high degree of cohesiveness and could easily establish a Junta, though it would face considerable opposition itself. The hope is that the rift between the ARS and Shabab would be resolved before the TFG collapses.

 

The optimal situation would be where moderate elements of the present TFG would be allowed into a coalition government of national unity with a diminished role, and that radical elements of the Shabab be given nonpolitical roles in the military and police

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Thank you for being a voice of sanity, logical analysis, and clear-sighted commentary on this forum. Please contribute more. It's always a refreshing antidote to the rationalizations of the Is-Qancis Brigade.

 

Dr.Galbeyte,

Just one question: When the Tigray/TFG alliance is kicked out and dissolved, and the Dhabo-dhilif warlords are hunted down and captured(dead-or-alive, preferably dead) one-by-one, will you support the execution of Abdi Qeybdiid ? Simple yes or no.

 

We have to learn from our mistakes and not leave mullahs to do politics with REAL POLITICIANS.

Heh. This one is too rich to leave alone. Name one 'Real Politician' that has done anything for the Somali people over the last 17 years ? I'll help you: Galaydh ? AbdiQasim ? Nur Cade ? Geedi ? Sharif Xasan ?

 

Compare and Contrast: Who has opened up the seaport and airport of Mogadisho, closed for 17 years ? Who eliminated(albeit a bit too early) the rampant trade of narcotics and Jaat ? Who started a nationwide campaign to clean up trash that has clogged the cities and villages, employing thousands in the process ? Who has unilaterally and unconditionally disarmed the clan militias, something Uncle Sam, the UN, the Arab Union, and the EU couldn't do with all their might ?

 

Twasn't at the hands of 'Real Politicians', friend, nor at the hands of any 'gum'mint'. It happened thanks to a movement of the people, for the people, and by the people. Swift and Fair justice, for the whole world to see.

 

I know you're all enamored of your GalMudug'istan governing model, but we'll relieve you of the worries and stress of governing soon enough. Untill we kick out the Xabashis, hold down the fort, abti.

[Sabriye amp co.]

Arm chair politician

 

You’re unfortunately assuming TFG has some sort of authority which if it looses, may cause a “vacuum” and room for chaos. Which is really not the case for chaos is already wrecking in Somalia. But accepting your scenario for the moment, how large (geographically) would the vacuum be?

 

 

Kashafa

 

Any one movement needs the public support behind them to function successfully. UIC enjoyed much of that which produced great achievements.

 

The Northern State of Somaliland was able to do everything you’ve mentioned and much more but in a sensible fashion. So in short, success is not because of the Excellency of mullahs but due to the full support of the masses. The stark difference is, UIC earned its support as it pledged to clean Mogadishu from the filth that has held the city and country hostage. TFG on the other hand brought these warlords back on top of Ethiopian tanks which’s why they’re almost support less.