Gaalkacyo siege continues, Puntland demands resident’s compliance!

[General Duke]

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That’s not however a popular position to take in Puntland. Waa meesha sarta ka quruntay adeer. To be sure some people, and a minority of them at that, hold such a view.

Brother you must be jesting with me, aside from the legal considerations, that Puntland is part and parcel of the TFG. There are also local factors to take into account, for the majority of the people from Puntland in supporting the TFG, the TFG armed forces comprise a large number of local boys and officers that hail from all corners of the state. Famous ones like Col Sacid Dheere and Afgaduud. Thus the Puntland population and diaspora have strong feelings and will not watch their kinsmen attacked by fake Clan groups from Cadaado and Guriceel, who are also bent on capturing Galkacyu city.

 

Saxib, your idealistic picturing of the situation in favor of the blood thirsty clan courts of Mogadishu have a few holes in it.

1. The Clan Courts policy is of aggression towards Puntland. They have publicly stressed that they would like to see, the establishment of sub-clan based militia in Puntland. A case in point is the BADBADO clan court. This would lead to the demise of the state and favour the Mogadishu group.

2. The Clan courts have pushed their clan militias from Guri-Ceel and Cadaado to lower Mudug, with the clar intention of fighting their way into south Glakcayu.

3. The Clan Courrts have the support of a large number of foreign fighters, who already have fought in Kismayu and Mogadishu.

For these reasons, Puntland has taken these precautions. They have aligned themselves with the Sub Clan that is residing in South Mudug, gaining a buffer zone south of the state. They have also called on the support of outside help, to limit any military advantage the Clan Courts may have. They have also tightened up security in their state, thus preventing local sympathizers from gaining a foothold and causing mayhem within the state.

 

Puntland support for the TFG, ensure its survival as a State within the republic. The Clan Courts and their masters want to return us to a centralized dictatorship. With them making all the decisions. Garowe wants to rule its territories with a weak Federal centre.

 

The difference here is that Puntland and its people want to be partners with Mogadishu and not servants to it.

 

Thus, from a legal point, internal clan issue as well as future interst. Any war on BAIDOA is a war on Puntland state. The TFG is not weak nor does it lack support when you consider that Puntland is its back bone.

[General Duke]

Point..

 

the debate was not about, if there are, my point was that there is a valid reason to get outside support. Since the enemy has major support and funding from oustide the country, notably Eritrea.

[xiinfaniin]

Employing words slurred with negative adjectives don’t necessarily lend strength to your argument (or rather to your assertions), yaa Point! Disingenuous I am not. You suffer me say that. Fact remains that peaceful city is invaded by Ethiopian soldiers to defend it against imaginary enemy whose threat is not realized by the majority of that city’s residents! You are of on a tangent when you used refugees caused by civil war to refute my point saaxiib. There is a long history of inner clan fighting among Somali clans. It happens all the time. Sadly. What does not happen that much often, good The Point, is to call in Tigre boys, concede the authority of the city to them, and have their first casualty to be your own soldiers. I have not seen any protest from that regions admin. But they have been very loud about Bandariidley skirmishes.

 

I insist that Courts have no evil design to demolish Puntland admin. But that’s a side issue here really because even if we agree that these courts are aiming to invade us, I still see no justification why Ethiopia is allowed to be in Galkacyo! Puntland has been in a undeclared war with Somaliland. Somaliland is a much stronger foe than courts are to Puntland if I am not mistaken. Yet we don’t see Tigre boys roaming in Lasanod to strengthen our defense! Give me a break yaa the Point!

 

Generale, yours is no creative writing any more! You are raising germane points that need thoughtful considerations. Still I see you are making a limp handshake with the truth as it were in your attempt to set up a grand showdown between courts and Puntland. I shall address your points especially the fact that Puntland’s sons are shepherded in Baydhabo’s military camps as a sacrificial lamps for the old man broken policies. I got to leave now though and when come back I shall do justice to your points.

[General Duke]

^^^I was never got at creative writtings brother. Thus I stick to facts.

Puntland's interst lies with the Somali governemnt and the establishment of a Federal state within the country.

 

The Clan Courts are the same groups who have always been against Puntland and any government that is not run by them.

 

You have avoided the core issues, which hinder your arguments. Thus your arguments is to go in circles, shouting " Tigray, Tigray, Tugray".

 

Here are the core issues, why one canot take the courts seriously.

 

1. The continuing occupation of the south and the central role Xasan dahir, IndaCade and Cirfo [shura] member played in it. There is much evidance to this.

2. The irrational behaviour of the courts lately with their daily demo's and calls for Jihad, their aggressive policy of land grabing and their consistant lies to hinder the truth.

 

These two points have swayed the public at latge to take a step back and watch the game as it unfolds. What ever weakenisses the TFG might have had, the Clan Courts have much more and have even less legitimacy and right to rule.

[General Duke]

Pardon me saxib, but I am of for the night.. Salamu Aliakum..

[ElPunto]

Originally posted by xiinfaniin:

Employing words slurred with negative adjectives don’t necessarily lend strength to your argument (or rather to your assertions), yaa Point! Disingenuous I am not. You suffer me say that. Fact remains that peaceful city is invaded by Ethiopian soldiers to defend it against imaginary enemy whose threat is not realized by the majority of that city’s residents! You are of on a tangent when you used refugees caused by civil war to refute my point saaxiib. There is a long history of inner clan fighting among Somali clans. It happens all the time. Sadly. What does not happen that much often, good The Point, is to call in Tigre boys, concede the authority of the city to them, and have their first casualty to be your own soldiers. I have not seen any protest from that regions admin. But they have been very loud about Bandariidley skirmishes.

Adeer - These guys did not invade the city. They were invited by the ruling authority. I don't know how you make that claim. As to people not feeling threatened - I don't know. But I wouldn't go so far as to say there is no threat whatsoever. Nor is there evidence that city authority has been conceded - how do you back up that claim? Last I checked Galkacyo was in Puntland and Puntland was ruled by Cadde and Company.

 

The civil war is a reality - and you cannot dismiss it as the regular 'clan skirmish'. I was in the West when it was happening but I know the upheaval and destruction caused is something never before seen in Somali history. And never even imagined according to my parents. And all this was caused by Somali on Somali. So for you to magnify the Tigre presence as something overwhelmingly threatening or occupation is more than is justified by recent Somali history. Somalis, plain and simple, have been the subject of Somali bullets for the longest time not Tigre bullets - I don't see you refuting that.

 

Rightly or wrongly - the fact is - the Puntland admin sees the ICU as more of a threat to them than Tigre or Somaliland. Otherwise why call them in. And imo, they can call in whoever they want if they perceive a threat. Obviously, the admin will have to shoulder the blame if things go wrong.

 

I insist that Courts have no evil design to demolish Puntland admin. But that’s a side issue here really because even if we agree that these courts are aiming to invade us, I still see no justification why Ethiopia is allowed to be in Galkacyo! Puntland has been in a undeclared war with Somaliland. Somaliland is a much stronger foe than courts are to Puntland if I am not mistaken. Yet we don’t see Tigre boys roaming in Lasanod to strengthen our defense! Give me a break yaa the Point!

Why is there no justification? If someone is coming to attack and take over your region you're supposed to sit back? Or do you do everything it takes? I don't know who the stronger foe is Somaliland or ICU - what is clear is Somaliland is not going for expansionist agenda while ICU is.

 

I've never understood this strange sort of mentality that says that while my 'brother' is killing me - I cannot ask for help for my 'historic' enemy because they're my 'historic' enemy. Man - if your 'brother' is coming to kill you - you got a new and present enemy and 'historic' enemy shi*t goes out the window.

[xiinfaniin]

The Point, you are not doing hard reasoning here brother---you are merely singing Puntland’s official line! As far as we know Courts have not attacked Puntland—and yes Bandariidley is not a part of Puntland. Another piece of information is that the majority of Puntlanders don’t see this threat for which Ethiopians are called in to deal with. In the Mudug region, Cadde’s argument for a fight with the Courts failed to convince the elders to rally behind his war cries! One reason Ethiopia’s lackeys have argued that this ‘extra help’ was needed since Galkacyo’s residents lacked foresight to see Courts coming threat!

 

Brother Ethiopia hardly needs an invitation from Puntland to come in. We all know that. But the reason they hastily come now is because Puntland’s internal conflict is so strong to the extent that those who run the show now were forced to seek help from the Tigre boys! Tigre boys are not your typical clansmen---they come to serve their country’s national interest--they are not there to merely tip the balance of this nomadic squabble that you are having in Mudug! As for ceding Galkacyo’s authority to them, that’s hardly in dispute. Their presence is felt everywhere in the city---they are in the airport and manned checkpoints! I can’t believe that you are willing to argue that Ethiopian troops just come to serve Puntland’s interest and will act as a guest while they are there! It just doesn’t work that way brother!

 

Tuuji maxkaxdaada walaal, I may be biased toward Courts but I am not against Puntland and her existence! As long there is a group of us who wants to singularly own it and decide its destiny single-handedly, however, I doubt it will survive the next storm. The old man and his policies are becoming quite consequential---it transcends tribal blood and challenges our consciousness and loyalties.

 

Generale, the gist of your latest write up is for Puntland to be deposited for the old man’s experiment in Baydhabo! Shacab dhan baad rabtaa in odoga loo rahmo; that’s beyond insanity adeer. It’s that simple! But to convey that simple point is not easy, I must admit, for the very reasons you have delineated! There are hundreds of Puntland sons waiting to take bullets for the TFG. Majority of them are innocent clansmen who came to serve for their country. They are not to blame. Needless to say Puntlanders are emotionally attached to these soldiers---after all they are their sons in a distant land. But my head tells me their mere presence in Baydhabo is not adequate enough of a reason for Puntland to enter a conflict with whom these soldiers happen to be fighting.

 

 

Aside from its emotional appeal, that logic has gaping holes in it. It’s not practically supportable for Puntland to fight with TFG’s enemies everywhere. TFG is a national entity now. Its policies and regional agendas could create many enemies that are not Puntland’s typical foes! There are Puntlanders who could be classified as TFG opponents---there is no hard evidence of armed opponents yet but I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some! Historically there were incidents where communities, who count themselves as an extended family of Puntland, were wrongly occupied and military defeated. Kismayo is a good example of that. There you find people who endured hardships brought by the civil war in a different forms and names. Clannish wishes aside, Puntland couldn’t do much to their fate.

 

 

Now if that was the history then, what’s so especial now with the old man’s case? The federal framework is one. Certainly. Another is the large collection of Puntland soldiers there. Sure. So what? Accuse me utter indifference of our elder politician in Baydhoba, if you will, but I don’t see any reason why an entire region is sacrificed for an entity whose policies it can’t influence, technically. Some people may feel very strong about this issue and want us all to be wood burns for the TFG, but Puntland masses should know better. Actually they seem to know better, and I like their early reactions to this.

 

 

ps:As for what you termed core issues, you are clever saaxiib but we are not talking about the south. And you know my positions about that issue anyway!

[General Duke]

Xiin, with all due respect, I have outlined the link in legal terms, in kin affiliation and in future strategic interest that links Puntland to the TFG in Baidoa.

 

The two administrations are linked at the hip, and there is no skirting around it. Thus the courts attack on Baidoa, is an attack on Puntland, and so on.

 

Again you present nothing beyond, misplaced idealism and a romantic view of everything Clan courts. We have been here before; Galkacyu is not under siege by anyone even the Courts, let alone “Tigray” who are the states allies. Puntland is standing firm regardless of what few disgruntled groups and later day religious folks want.

 

The core issues are important; the TFG has been given a new lease of life with the emergence of Xasan Dahir and his group. They are not a real alternative to the government and have swayed the world powers to the side of the TFG.

 

This is why many in Somalia already see beyond the lies and see the Clan Courts for what they are.

 

This conflict will be settled through force, though I don’t see a major war, or a lasting insurgency or any of the dooms day scenarios many “experts” are predicting.

[xiinfaniin]

^^^^So you vote for war!

 

This issue is beyond analysis phase now adeer, and unfortunaately for the likes of you who blindly support the TFG and fraudulently call Ethiopia regional ally, will only realize that we are indeed at a historical juncture after it is too late!

[General Duke]

^^^As you know war & peace is beyond our control.

So we wait and hope, pray to Allah for peace in the long term, equality and justice.

[RedSea]

^yes we shall wait and see,unfortunately that is what it takes for one to get hold of reality.

 

Insha Allah we wait and see.

[xiinfaniin]

Jananka, I pray for Ethiopia's defeat, and the rebirth of independent Somali government!

 

Redka, wait and see is what left for us to do, i suppose. Pray for the folks who are doing the hard-lifting.

[General Duke]

^^^Amiin saxib..

[NASSIR]

Originally posted by xiinfaniin:

Historically there were incidents where communities, who count themselves as an extended family of Puntland, were wrongly occupied and military defeated. Kismayo is a good example of that. There you find people who endured hardships brought by the civil war in a different forms and names. Clannish wishes aside, Puntland couldn’t do much to their fate.

Good point!

 

Xiin, I agree with your points that the invitation of Ethiopian troops into Puntland territory was totally unnecessary but if that is a precautionary measure taken by the Puntland president to protect the city from harm by the maruading Islamist, why not be it.

 

You implied somewhere that the Islamist are not that powerful and may be in close ranks with the secessionist, thus Puntland could defend itself if the Islamist array their troops for battle. The courts's military composition I believe has foreign elements from neighboring countries and even abroad.

 

 

Anyway, Good debate there and May Allah bring peace to Somalia.

[xiinfaniin]

Originally posted by Caamir:

Xiin, I agree with your points that the invitation of Ethiopian troops into Puntland territory was totally unnecessary but if that is a precautionary measure taken by the Puntland president to protect the city from harm by the maruading Islamist, why not be it.

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Caamir, nobody is attacking Puntland and you know it saaxiib. It's sham adeer. As for where the majority are on this issue you will hear soon IA. Ethiopians will have no chioce but to retreat. Isims of that region have already spoken out against it. Those who think they could get away with such a deciet will be greatly mistaken.

 

Dagaal maan jeclayn dhiig gubtiyo dirirta soomaale

Waase lagu dirqiyey reer tolkey daqarka qaarkeede'e

Daandaansiga ********* ninkii dayaba qiirooye'e

 

Jus wait and see!