Gaalkacyo siege continues, Puntland demands resident’s compliance!

[xiinfaniin]

GAALKACYO : Maamulka Puntland oo jawaab ka bixiyay bayaankii ay shalay soo sareen qaar ka mid ah Issimada gobolka Mudug

Posted to the Web Dec 05, 16:38

 

 

GAALKACYO:-Wasiirkuxigeenka Wasaarada Arimaha Gudaha iyo Amniga Faarax Cabdi Doorshe ayaa Issimada dhawaan bayaanka soo saaray ee gobolka Mudug ku sheegay kuwo shaqadii dawlada soo faragashaday islamarkaasna galay hawl aan hawshooda ahayn wuxuuna sheegay in aan Ciidanka Ethiopia aan la oran karin ka baxa dalka.

 

Doorshe wuxuu Ciidanka Ethiopia ee ku sagan gudaha Puntland ku tilmaamay kuwo tababarayaal ah oo laga warqabo sidaas-darteedna aysan Issimadu ka hadli karin joogitaankooda.

 

Dawlada Ethiopia ayuu sheegay in ay leeyihiin xiriir wanaagsan oo soo jireen ah ayna iska kaashadaan dhinacyada ammaanka labada dal iyo ganacsiga sidaasdarteedna aysan jirin cid ka hadli karta joogintaankooda dalka.

 

Joogitaanka Ciidanka Ethiopia ee gudaha Puntland gaar ahaan magaalada Gaalkacyo ayay dad badan oo horay u dhaliilsanaa Maxaakiimta ay ka caraysiisay , waxayna sababtay in ay Maxaakiimtu ay dad badan u galaan oo ka mid noqdaan Ciidankooda ku waa soo horay xaga afkaarta aad uga soo horjeeday Maxaakiimta kadib markii ay dalka soo galeen Ethiopian-ka.

 

Source.

[General Duke]

^^^ Well dera Xiin, many are running back home giving scary stories and reaffirming the belief that this is no more than the old enemy coming back in disguise.

 

The Courts have lost, this brand is not gonna sell in Puntland.

[xiinfaniin]

Jananka, this brand may not sell in Puntland but desperate measures and the policies of confused folks aint gonna cut it either adeer! the logic of bringing Tigre boys to fight a distant clan is beyond absurdity saaxiib!

 

I think Baydhabo promoters in Galkacyo have committed a fatal plunder this time. We will see if the sons of that city watch Ethiopian troops rule over them and buy into current admin’s bogyman!

[General Duke]

^^^Saxib you are far too intelligent and insightful to start parroting the lines of Mogadishu media.

 

I have personally spoken to folks in Galkacyu and not one has confirmed the lies of Mogadishu based media. The Ethiopian presence is no more than to counter its own rebels holed up In Cadaado and being used to attack the state.

 

Thus while we have had sightings of foreigners in Mogadishu fighting, in Kismayu burning the flag, you would focus on the few Tigray fighters which are there to give support and training?

 

Come on, you want us to tie our own hands and then call it a miracle when, Oromo, Eritrean, Pakistani fighters take over? No saxib, we are not fools..

 

Also the measures being taken in Puntland are no more than what is taking place in Mogadishu or Hargaysa, everyone wants to secure his position.

[xiinfaniin]

^^Generale, you are not being honest here! I have received enough emails from Galkacyo to confidently discuss Tigree being in it without relying on Mogadishu media. People who are vehemently apposed to the courts are both confirming it and against it. The threat of Courts invading Puntland is an imaginary one! You know because of the old man policies, Puntland worked overtime to provoke Courts militias in Galgaduud! You can’t wage proxy war intended to release some pressure from the TFG in Baydhabo and try to mislead masses that Courts are coming to get them. That’s beyond dishonest saaxiib!

 

Ethiopians are there in Gaalkacyo and they are not hiding. In fact they already started to whip city’s residents in line and killed two of Puntland soldiers. I just cant swallow the raw notion that says Tigre bullets casualty is tolerable but some clans whom we share both blood and faith are to be fearlessly contained! Midda kale, you, as a regional political analyst you are, know the crux of the matter very well. The practice of dual policies is over for Puntland. Either the state stays true to the objectives for which it was created and reflect its peoples sentiment or it will die trying to achieve two diametrically opposed goals: its survival as an entity and that of its former ruler, the old man!

[General Duke]

^^Saxib, you are not being truthfull here.

Galkacyu's people are all united in their anger against the Clan Courts. I spoke to Galkacyu on many occasions these past few days and the news is as I have reported and as the Puntland media reported, very few Ethiopians in the area and most to support the Puntland troops.

 

Now, you are blaming the whole issue on Puntland when even you highlighted conern, before Kismayu, when Caqowayne rushed to Galkacyu and Xasan Dahir used the clan argument of representing the southern Galkacyu clan as a pretext. This was not long ago, and these people ahve even taken over Cabudwaaq, without the support of the locals since then.

 

Saxib, the old man is not out of the game yet and neither has Xsan Dahir acheived anything other than binging order to his clan base. Thus this whole opposition to the TFG and Ountalnd is not about religion, Ethiopia or justice. Its the same clan agenda that led to Puntland creation and the split of the Somali nation. It will only make us stronger as it did before.

[xiinfaniin]

^^^Courts are not coming to Puntland, so no concern is warranted from my side on that account! What’s alarming though is the length some are willing to go to exact failed policies of before! As for the issue regarding the presence of Tigre in Galkacyo, its getting redundant saaxiib, is it not? People are concern for a good reason and if Puntland collapses blame it on the old man being in the game too long, and not on the Courts fixing and cleansing their regions from filths of warlords who are hosted in Gaalkacyo as we speak!

 

Some times you defy the basic logic of examining things yaa Duke! But again you told me before that you disagree with me on this issue!

[Jaylaani]

In the world of the Duke, no one is telling the truth but him. He has all the answers.

 

What did the minister of information under Sadam Hussein said just before the collapse of the regime. THEE ARE NO AMERICAN TROOPS IN IRAQ. WE CAPTURED THEM AND WE KILLED THEM. (not those exact words)

 

DUKE you have a bright future under Yey's administration...in Baydhabo or Garoowe of course.

[General Duke]

Xiin, I see no threat to puntland outside the Clan Courts, its collapse will only come about when its people do not eblive in it anymore. So far nothing I have indicates this. The Tigray presence a new excuse, before it was Shariah law introduction and South Galkacyu clan area, so it will go on, till either they lose or we do.

 

Also Xiin, Xasan Dahir is repeating the same mistakes he did in Bossaso and Gedo. I would bet on this thing being no less than a new fake dawn for his ambitions.

[xiinfaniin]

C'mon Jananka, don't be in denail now. Puntland is having internal conflicts now, and no matter how hard you try to sidestep the core issues, they just aint gonna go away. And believe me, Xasan Dahir has nothing to do with it.

 

These are main issues:

1-Chronic corruption; Cadde and his close ilk are percieved to have embarked a milking project of Puntland's resources!

2-Misplaced policies/priorities; does Puntland state go to war not because it was attacked but becuase its former leader is in danger and his TFG is besieged?

[General Duke]

^^^I agree with you that we have internal disputes and differences of opinion. Its also a given that this is nothing compared to the civil war we had a few years ago and we survived.

 

Internal dissent is to be expected, since we are poor with high unelployment rate and lack of prospects for many of our young men and women.

 

The idea that the Clan Courts will run the affairs of the state better than its people is quite laughable. Consider how they manage the occupied areas of lower Shabbe & the abukar Cadaan monopoly on the ports of Mogadihsu and Kismayu. Nothing in the south can be compared to Puntland state.

 

Also when the Clan Court reared their ugly heads, the clan have come together supporting the state, thus this conflict is not bad for Cade, it cements his position further.

 

I want change for my state, but setting up competing sub-clan based courts and weakening the centre is not my idea of a solution to our many problems.

[xiinfaniin]

^^Duke, i like when you stick your script and stay with official line! As I say before Puntland is not facing a threat from Mogadishu's courts. Baydhabo is! The only relationship between the two is Puntland's former president happens to be the leader of the current TFG. The question i asked how far would Puntland go to support him in his quest.

 

Midda kale, there's no validity to the Abukar Caddaani tale in Kismayo! Ask me about that city saaxiib! The harbor is open and managed by that city's native sons!

 

Again although you admit Puntland is having its share of internal politiking (and i agree that it's expected), you are not however willing to discuss it independent of Courts. You just want to repeat Cadde position of Courts are coming and hence we will do every thing to defend ourselves! An assertion which even Galkacyo elders found quite unconvincing!

[General Duke]

Midda kale, there's no validity to the Abukar Caddaani tale in Kismayo! Ask me about that city saaxiib! The harbor is open and managed by that city's native sons

I like that line, there no validity to anything against the Clan Courts. But we have to take all allegations against Cade as certain like the the holly scripture.

 

Saxib, Xasan Turki has admited that he has to repay the 1.7 million loan by Abukar Cadaan. This is a afact unless you are living in denail.

 

Xiin, Puntland is part of the TFG governemnt, it is the only state that fully recognises and has had dealings with it. Any attack on Baidoa is one on Puntland. much like any attack on the clan courts is an attack on the clan courts.

 

Saxib, I cannot support the very men who occupy lower Shabbele and this not only IndaCade, for Xasan Dahir, Abdiqasin the leadera are the masters of those areas. Or will you again say, there is no validity?

[xiinfaniin]

Originally posted by General Duke:

Xiin, Puntland is part of the TFG governemnt, it is the only state that fully recognises and has had dealings with it. Any attack on Baidoa is one on Puntland.

^^Marra waaxida yaa Generale! That’s not however a popular position to take in Puntland. Waa meesha sarta ka quruntay adeer. To be sure some people, and a minority of them at that, hold such a view. The notion that Puntland would sacrifice its existence for the survival of the old man is quite faulty. When Cadde (a man whose share of intelligence is increasingly becoming a moot point) came to Gaalkacyo intending to wage a war on Bandariidley, the elders of that city has voiced strong objections against that whole scheme! The reason was simple: Gaalkacyo was not attacked and Bandariidley does not fall under Puntland’s jurisdiction. Cities like Boosaaso, Garoowe, Laascanood, and Baran had already signaled more strongly a negative sentiment toward entering unprovoked conflict with the Courts.

 

Now the reason you have Ethiopian troops is because Puntlanders have resisted the policy of fighting with the Courts simply because they are from a particular clan. I have no doubt in my mind that they will resist the presence of armed Tigre boys in their midst. The lampoon is now on you yaa Generale; calling in foreign troops to fight with a familiar clan (if we even assume Courts are aiming to invade Gaalkacyo)!

 

But by having your above quote simplifies our discussion. Because, as you put it, a war on Baydhabo constitutes a war on Puntland! The reason you said is because Puntland supports the TFG! That part may be true but you forgetting that Puntland has no control over all the factors that could cause a major conflict to erupt between the TFG and any opposing entity! According to your reason if Gedo or Bay goes to war with the TFG, Puntland would promptly declare a war on them! All of that because the old man is from the region! Is it not that the peak of confusion yaa Generale? This is the crux of the matter, and Puntlanders seemingly have already decided against this notion.

 

So the issue is no longer Courts did this and that in Bandiiradley, but rather is whether Puntland enters a conflict with Courts based on their policy about the TFG. And as you can see, good Generale, that’s where I draw the line and I fail to see the value of Puntland initiating a war that could exasperate its latten internal conflict simply to put the old man in Baydhabo in a favorable position with Mogadishu Courts. That I find unwise.

[ElPunto]

Xiin - I don't know why you keep insisting ICU has no designs on Puntland. These guys want to bring the 'light' to everyone as they have declared. And that certainly has been their record. It seems to me premature to keep insisting on the 'purity' of their intentions vis-a-vis Puntland.

 

I just cant swallow the raw notion that says Tigre bullets casualty is tolerable but some clans whom we share both blood and faith are to be fearlessly contained!

Adeer - this was very disingenous of you and rather pathetic. Puntland and all other regions have suffered from an excess of Somali bullets NOT Tigre bullets. History clearly demonstrates that and that is why people fled to the 'Amxar' and 'Bantu' country as refugees.

 

General - there most definitely are Tigre in Galkacyo. Their numbers are disputed but there is some discontent though nothing like Xiin seems to present.