Adan Ayro's death: Shari Ahmed those in Djibouti's role.

[Fabregas]

Akhi, how many times Do we have 2 go thru this?

 

If you have some secret evidence or YOU know something we don't know.........please do share with us..............

[Ibtisam]

Abu_ Geeljire: It is a case of point figures, before someone points at you dee. Another tactic to move attention away from the bombing and the people who died as a result, and people who are continuously dying all over Somalia. Kuwaab maa sharif baa deeleh?

[General Duke]

Abu: Adeer you seem to be in some pain with regards to this post and topic. Maybe you do not want to face the truth.

 

Lets look at the facts: Ayrow was killed by the US forces.

 

US forces are in Djibouti, Ayrows boss is also in Djibouti.

 

Whats going on Abu Geel Jire? Thats a question adeer.

[Fabregas]

Adeer, you seem to having some difficulties understanding a few issues with regards to intellectual debates. The first is that when one presents an argument or case, they must bring some evidences to back up their claims. Otherwise... these percieved " truths" will simply be dismissed as mere conspiracy theories, or in this just pure old Makhayad hearsay.

 

Your case is dismissed and ridiculed, because it's entire evidence is based on the fact that Sheikh Shariff and some old men went to Djibouti, which was before this incident occured, mind you! That's your evidence? Those could all just be coincidences. You want to present that as a " truth"? Bring me evidence mate....is that too much to ask or perhaps is it because you don't have any, which wouldn't be the first time! Now, this will be my last and Shall leave you to it( in your world of conspiracy theories)......

[General Duke]

Your case is dismissed and ridiculed, because it's entire evidence is based on the fact that Sheikh Shariff and some old men went to Djibouti, which was before this incident occured, mind you!

Adeer you are making a meal out of this. I have evidance that Sharif Ahmed was rescued by the Americans and Adan Ayrow was killed?

 

You brush aside that the people who bombe Ayrow are in Djibouti and yet your leader is there.

 

Another fact is that they needed some inside info, who would give it?

 

Again deal with the facts I know it hurts, your Sharif is a mole mate.

[money]

For a lot of Somalis, qabyaalad impaired their senses and thus don't see anything - they became as the ayah in sura baqara says: Summun, bukmun cumyun...fahum laa yubsiroon...dumb, deaf and blind, they don't see. I honestly believe that is what most posters, especially the one who started this thread is and has became. these posters wear clan lenses all the time. they believe in one warlord ( who is from their clan) and forget about ALLAH, ISLAM, the people and the nation. This is no attack on anyone but is just what I have seen in my short stay in the forum.

 

I am just following that saying, let us call a spade a spade. I suggest that my brothers who cheer for clans and warlords to re-examine their support, do some kind of soul searching so they may come to see what is going on and how sick and bad it is to be always obsessed with warlords and possessed by clan sentiments.

 

what is going in Somalia right now? Ethiopian occupiers are slitting Somali children's throats inside mosques, fake money is printed by ruthless and selfish men associated with the warlords. Every Somali elder, politician and so-called leader has become a stooge, selling his people and country to highest bidder. Hypocrisy and evilness is the mantra for survival in Somalia.

 

Mothers and children, millions of them, displaced and wounded, are starving in the blazing desert sun; millions are escaping the country and crossing into neighboring borders as refugees thousands are risking their lives, drowning in the high seas to reach Yemeni shores. Sick and psychotic clan leaders are calling themselves regional fiefdoms and handing Somali citizens to the brutal Ethiopian regime.

 

For the supporters of the TFG, they see now how ineffective and toothless the whole warlord infested government is. The warlords haven't even built one school, one office, or dig one well. Instead they destroyed schools, wells, clinics.

All they did for 4 long years? more disaster and destruction. They sold our sovereignty to our arch-enemy. The TFG ship have sunk brothers and sisters. Wake up to this reality! What is needed is to think beyond Qabyaalad and Qabqable and save this nation and our people.

 

it is time, we just take time out of supporting one faction , one warlord, one clan. We are Somalis and it is times like this, that we have to understand, our whole existence is in danger; that if we don't divorce ourselves from the evils of the clan and its backward mentality, there will never be Somalia.

So please, think about what you could do to help Somalia and its suffering people should be the topic, not to spin and speculate who sold the young Shaheed and martyr who lived like a man and died like one fighting for a cause he believed

Don't try to blame others for your failures. Think about your failures and how to reach to others,so there won't be failures no more, so we can salvage somalia from , tribalism, warlords and Ethiopian occupation.

[Allamagan]

Classical Duke paintings as usaul

[General Duke]

Thus lets avoid the truth.

Ethiopia/ US are bad.

Djibouti/Asmara group are good.

 

The problem with such logic is, the US base is in Djibouti and so was a few months back Mr Sharif Ahmed and the clan elders who were close to the Al-Shabaab.

 

Coincidence that they targeted him so successfully? Maybe not.

[money]

Ethiopia is beyond bad- it is evil and those who brought them to Somalia are culpable of war crimes and everlasting disgrace.

 

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-survive23mar23,1,5787043.story

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/18/world/africa/18ethiopia.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/05/06/news/Somalia-Ethiopia.php

 

For the people you trying to blame, they are not as bad as Ethiopia or the warlords. Actually the clan elders have no clue how to bring peace to Somalia and are just too primitive and ill-equipped to solve the Somali problem.

 

The Sharif you accusing is a very well respected and genuine Somali leader at his young age of 42, he has shown moderation and compromise in a lot of things unlike the warlords you support.

 

But that is not the point here. America's short-sighted policy on 'war on terror" intended to contain and hunt few elements in the radical movements in Islamic world and Somalia and elsewhere is not gonna solve the Somali misery. It will not bring peace to Somalia other than complicate things and prolong our people's suffering. America cares less of Somalia and its suffering people. They are just after three Al-Qaeda men whom they were trying to neutralize since 1998 to no avail and in this wild west pursuit, thousand of Somali families perished. But the sad thing is the evil warlords and their advocates jumped on this bandwagon and become tool to destroy their nation and people.

 

Your main concern now should be what could you do to make sure that Somalia and Somalis are your first priority and not what Ethiopia and US want. You should also be thinking what will happen after the warlords and particularly after your ailing-aging warlord-uncle dies? He is not in good health as you know and is very fragile. His divisive clan approaches and stooge-like policies didn't work to secure him a peaceful tenure as the president of Somalia. So do you have another educated and peace-loving uncle or uncles to cheer for ? I will join you in that effort for I believe there are many uncles out there who care more about Somalia and want peace and prosperity for Somalia.

[General Duke]

Money, you seem not to get the point. No one here is defending Ethiopia. Nor do I even care about Ethiopia and its regime. Its a tool, nothing more.

 

The post is highlighting a simple point. Ayrow was bombed by the US, Mr Sharif was meeting them in Djibouti?

 

Ironic or not

[Resistance]

Originally posted by General Duke:

Money, you seem not to get the point. No one here is defending Ethiopia.

Nor do I even care about Ethiopia and its regime. Its a tool, nothing more.

The post is highlighting a simple point. Ayrow was bombed by the US, Mr Sharif was meeting them in Djibouti?

 

Ironic or not

LOOL, is the TFG a tool for Ethopia or are u really suggesting that the TFG are using the Zenawi regime so they to create a better Somalia.

[General Duke]

^^^The Ethiopians are the tool adeer. Their fear of Eritrea, Oromo and other rebels has forced them to support the internationally recognised, soverighn Somali state.

 

Thats progress.

 

Anyhow Mr Resistance answer the question, what was the difference between Ayrow "martyr" and Mr Sharif Ahmed in Djibouti?

[Geel_jire]

^ what you are describing is the tail wagging the dog !

 

we all know the TFG is figuratively on all fours when it comes to dealing with zenawi no ?

[General Duke]

^^^Thats your opinion adeer, its not a fact. Zenawi had no choice, but to fight on the government's side. His Tigray group are a minority who are facing Eritrea, Amhara, Oromo, Afar and Somali Rebels. Thus he is a tool, he has no choice.

 

The TFG wants to restore Somali goevrnance, who ever helps for what ever reason is most welcome.

The opposition are in fanatasy land making threats while sleeping with the enemy.

[money]

Zenawi is a tool but not for the TFG but for Bush's war on terror. He is there to do the dirty work for the American Administration. The TFG is nothing but a mere slave and creation of Zenawi.

 

The TFG wants to restore governance? what governance? and how long and at what cost? Four years for destruction, displacement, and above all puppeteering to Ethiopia's whims and wanton in the region.

 

Again ask yourself, do warlords know about governance? Does Mohammed Dheere know anything about running an administration? How about Uncle warlord Yusuf? does he knows the difference betwen a nation and clan? What about Qaybdiid? does he know how to police? the answers of these questions are simple. BIG NO. these men are not capable of governance and peace. The TFG is a tool, it is a traitor, shame and pain to Somalia and it should be abolished and dismantled to have a new Somalia.