Prof Axmed I Samatar:Jiritaanka Aakhiro Inkiray

[General Duke]

Prof. Axmed I Samatar oo jiritaanka Aakhiro Inkiray!!!!!

 

Waagacusub Online 03/01/05 London

 

Waxaa maalmahaan booqasho ku joogay London , Prof Axmed Ismail Samatar, oo ka ah Professor Macalester College, ee Mineapolis U.S.A , wuxuuna hadal ka jeediyey dhowr meelood, oo ku yaala magaaldaan London, isagoo la hadlayey dadka soomaaliyeed.

 

Ugu horeyntii wuxuu hadal ka jeediyey kulan ka dhacay galbeedka London 27/12/04, wuxuuna ka hadlay mowduuc ahaa ( YAA U BAAHAN SOOMAALINIMO) wuxuuna usoo jeediyey si heer sare ah oo ay aad u jecleysteen dadkii ka soo qeyb galay, uguna hambalyeeyeen Professorka imaatinkiisa iyo sida wanaagsan ee uu u hadlay,.

 

kulankii labaad ee uu ka hadlo Professorka ayaa wuxuu dhacay 01/01/05, kana dhacay North London, Masaajidka Finsbury Park qolkiisa shirarka, waxaana ka soo qeyb galay dad soomaaliyeed oo maalintii hore joogay iyo kuwo ku cusbeed la kulanka Prof.Samatar oo aad horey loogu amaaney.

 

Prof. wuxuu ka hadlay moowduuc ciwaankisu ahaa SOOMAALIDA DIBADA KU NOOL , FURSADAHA IYO CAQABADAHA HOR YAAL) , Profku wuxuu ka hadlay sida ay soomaalidu dibada ineey timaado usoo bilaabatay , wuxuuna xusayna in ay waagii hore soomaalidii dibada usoo baxday ay u badnaayeen rag u badna ineey soo tacabireen iyo badmaaxiin , balse in soomaalida soo baxday dagaaladii ka dib ay heysatay dhibaato ku khasbeysay ineey dalkooda ka soo baxaan , taasina ay keentay in soomaalida dibada joogta maanta ay isugu jirto cid kasta , waayeel, caruuru, dhalinyaro, dumar .

 

Wuxuu kaluu Profku ka hadlay in jaaliyadaha dibada joogo ee umadaha kale ay dalkoodii ay ka yimaadeen taageeraan, wuxuuna tusaale usoo qaatey in Israel ay ku dhisantahay taageerada uga timaada dadka yuhuuda ah ee ku nool addunweynaha.

 

Profku wuxuu xusay in aduunka maanta ay ugu liitaan Muslimiinta iyo Afrikaanka, soomaalidana ay labadaaba ka tirsantahay, loona baahanayahay in laga fikiro sidii horumarka looga qeybqaadan lahaa , wuxuuna xusay in maanta furaha aqoonta ay tahay luqada Englishka , sidaa dated loo baaahanyahay in aad loo barto luqada Englishka maadaama ay tahay luqada ugu badan oo uu cilmiga ku qoranyahay , xirfadna la barto , si aan uga qeybqaadano tartanka nolosha horumarsan

 

Wuxuu kaloo sheegay in aan isku xirnaano oo nidaam iyo sharciyo ay salkooda yihiin diinta islaamka iyo dhaqanka soomaaliga degsano kuna dhaqano, qabyaalada iyo goboleysigana leeska dhaafo oo soomaalinimada la ilaaliyo.

 

Prof. Samatar wuxuu yiri in loo baahanyahay in aan ilmaheena iyo dumarkeena barno kuna gubaabino sidii ay aduunka aad uga shaqeysan lahaayeen , waxna uga qabsan lahaayeen , balse Aakhiro dood baan ka qabaa ayuu yiri Prof Samatar, wadaadana waxaan iraahdaa aakhiro waxba ha iiga sheegina, waayo, waxa isku keen xiraya waa aduunka , ee ma ahan aakhiro, mana jirto cid ka soo warantay oo aakhiro ka timid oo war ka keentay , marka meel aan war laga heyn ha isku wareerinina, inaan ilaah caabudana waa arin shaqsi ah oo aniga igu xiran ( Private issue) , qofkii addunka wax ka qabsada ayaa aakhirana meel fiican tagaya..

 

Markuu sidaa yiri ayaa dadkii dhageeysanayey isku wada naxeen, waayo maka fileynin hadalkaa , maadaama goobtana aheyd hoolkii masaajidka , markaasaa waxaa su,aal weeydiiyey nin la yiraa Sh Ibraahin Muuse oo ka mid ah culumadii joogtay meesha , wuxuuna yiri , Prfesoore waad ku mahadsantahay muxaadaradaada, iyo sida aad noola hadashay , waxaanse kuu soo jeedinayaa laba arimood,

 

1-Inaad ogaato in culumadu yihiin dad ka mid ah aqoonyahanada, oo wax garanaya ee aysan aheyn dad jaahiliin ah aadana yareysan hadalkooda

 

2- In sidii aad aduunyada noogu gubaabisay aad aakhirana noogu gubaabiso oo aad ogaato in aduun iyo aakhiro yihiin laba nolol oo jiro oo mid kastaa loo baahanyahay in loo shaqeysto.

 

Prof.Samatar wuxuu yiri in ay xiriir yeeshaan dadka aan diinta shaqo ku laheyn (Seculars) sideeydoo kale iyo culumada diinta islaamka waxba kama qabo.

 

Mida aakhiradase dood baan ka qabaa , waxaana diyaar u ahay inaan wixii dood ah ee si edeb leh loo qabanayo aan ka qeyb galo

 

Markeey meeshaa mareeyso ayaa wakhtigii dhamaaday lana joojiyey kulankii, markaasaa waxaa bilowday sawaxan ,iyo guux dadkii meesha joogay oo filan waayey , hadalka kasoo yeeray Profka ay uga yimaadeen daafaha London ineey dhageystaan waxa uu ku hadlay , waxaana bilowday ineey la hadlaaan si koox koox ah, waxaana dhacday in nin dhalinyaro ah ku yiri Profka , nin soomaali ah oo walaalkeey ah baa tahay ee yeeysan Aakhiro shaki kaa gelin wuxuuna ugu jawaabay Prof Samatar, adaa Aakhiro wakiil iiga ah.

 

Waxaa kaloo la weeydiiyey Prof Samatar ma ogtahay in diidida aakhiro ay tahay Murtadnimo ( Diinta ka bixid ), wuxuuna yiri waan ogahay, balse sidaasaan aaminsanahay, .

 

Sidoo kale dadkii la hadlay Prof Samatar waxaa ka mid ahaa Sh Cali Wardheere oo ku yiri hadii aad sidaan u hadleeysid inaad noo sii sheegto ayeey aheyd oo aan wax ka niraa wixii aad tiri , balse hada wixii aad dhihi laheyd waad dhahday inagana wakhti aan uga jawaabno ma leh, marka ma ahan inaad dadka hadal ku tuurtid iskana tagto.

 

Sidoo kale dadki la hadlay waxaa ka mid ahaa Axmed Sh Maxamed oo ah gudoomiyaha Muslim Association of Britain (MAB) oo ka mid ahaa dhageystayaashii , wuxuuna ku yiri , inaadan islaamka iyo wixii ay culumasiisa ka qoreen aadan wax badan ka aqrinin ayaa kaa muuqato, nin akadeemic ahna waad tahay , mana ahan in adoon wax badan ka aqrinin islaamka aad iskala soo boodo diidmo iyo inkiraada Aakhiro.

 

Waxaana meesha lagu soo kala tagay iyadoo qof kasto yaabanyahay, waayo waa markii ugu horeeysay waayadaan, uu qof soomaali ah si bareer ah u inkiro aakhirada, oo aan ognahay ineey ka mid tahay rumeynteeda IIMAANKA, wuxuuna qof kastaa ka shalaayey waxa maanta meesha keenay .

 

Hadaba akhristoow waxaa ka muuqda hadalka iyo dhaqanka Prof Axmed Ismail Samatar dhawr amuurood, oo ay mid tahay :-

 

1- Ku jeesjeesid diinta islaamka oo islaam ka bixid ka dhadhameyso

 

2- Ixtiraam daro

 

3- Isburin

 

4- Aqoon gaabni iyo wax ka ogaan yari xaga diinta islaamka ah

 

5- Ujeedo xumo

 

 

 

Hadaba waxaan jeclahay inaan ku soo gab gabeeyo wax usoo jeedin aan usoo jeedinayo

 

Prof Axmed Ismail Samatar

 

Marka hore waxaan jeclahay inaan kuu soo jeediyo inaad diidida aad diiday jiritaanka Aakhiro aad ka soo laabato, waayo waxeey ka mid tahay iimaanka salka u ah diinteena islaamka , hadii aad ogtahay inaad islaamka ka baxdayna aad islaamnimadaada usoo laabato , waayo Islaamnimadu waa shey qaali ah oo uu allah nagu manyestay , taasoo ay ka marag kaceen dadka soo islaamay oo ay ugu danbeysay gabadha Britishka ah oo weriyaha ah oo ay Dhaalibaan xiri jireen ( Yvonna Ridley ), waxaa kaloo kuu soo jeedinayaa inaad si dhab u akhrisid una baartid diinta islaamka , waayo ? islaam baan ahay Aakhiro waan diidi meel ma wada geli karaan , oo hadii aakhiro aan diidno jiritaankeeda maxaa inoo dhaxeeya inaga iyo gaalada, waxaana meesha ka baxeeysa sababta allah inoo abuuray oo ah inaan caabudno isaga kaliya , oo hadii aan caabudi weynana ay jiri doonto maalin nalala xisaabtami doono ( Judgement day ) ,

 

Qofkastana wuxuu ogyahay inuu dhiman, muslin iyo gaalba, marka markaad dhimato maxaa xigi weeye su,aashu?

 

Mida kale waxaa ka muuqatay muxaadaradaadi danbe ixtiraam daro aad u heysid diinta islaamka iyo walaalahaa soomaaliyeed ee muslimiinta ah !! waxaad hortooda si aan ganbad laheyn u inikirtay uguna jeesjeestay tiir ka mid ah aasaaska rumeynta diinteena islaamka , taasoo aysan sameeynin xitaa gaalada , waxaadna dhabarka ka tuurtay ixtiraamka ay kuu hayeen oo ah sidii laguugu soo dhaweeyey London, una soo camireen muxaadarooyinkaadii , sidoo kale waxaad ixtiraami weysay meesha aad muxaadrada ku qabatay oo aheyd Masjid oo ah goob cibaado, .

 

Hadaladaadii waa ay is burinayeen tusaale ahaan : maalintii 27/12/04, waxaad sheegtay in dhisitaanka qaran ay tahay in la helo =Dad , Dhaqan , iyo Caqiido, iyo Degaan , waxaad kaloo sheegtay in diintu ay tahay aasaaska nolosha, loona baahanayahay in la ilaaliyo , maalintii danbena oo aheyd 01/01/05, waxaad sheegtay, in aan sameeysano sharci salkiisu yahay diinta islaamka iyo dhaqanka soomaaliga , waxaad kale oo aad sheegtay inaad tahay Secular , oo aadan diin shaqo ku laheyn, marka soow hadaladaada is burin mayaan? Waxaa kaloo hadaladaada ku jiray in maanta aduunka islaanimada geeska leesku gelinayo halgana uu ka socdo , loona baahanyahay inaan meeshii aan halgankaa ka geli laheyn isu diyaarino ?

 

Waxaa kaloo iisoo baxay inaadan cilmi baaris badan aadan ku sameeynin Diinta Islaamka ee fadlan si fiican diinta islaamka cilmi baaris ugu samee, mida xigta soomaali ayaad tahay, hadii aadan caqiidada islaamka aaminsaneyna umadda dhexdeeda iyo guud ahaan muslimiinta micno badan ma u sameeyneeysid, ee waxaad noqon nin ummadiisa dhexdeeda ku ah ajnabi, ee Professore ummadu waa kuu baahantahay adigana waad u baahantahay ee islaamnimadaada xooji , waxaadna ogaataa in aad niyadjab badan ku riday dad fara badan oo aad kuu taageersanaa , waxaana kaa rajeeynayaa inaad ka toowba keento wixii aad tiri, .

 

 

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Ku Noqo Wararka hore

[Saxardiid]

Prof. Ahmed Samater put one of rare lectures on Somali situation both in and outside Somalia. He also gave lot of ideas about how to improve the lives of Somali community in UK and the contributions that the Somali community in diaspora can make to our homeland Somalia. The only problem was the venue, which was a mosque and the organisers (Hiraal magazine) who lack wisdom.

 

The Prof. admitted he was Secularist, which explains the few sentences that spoiled the brilliant lecture. I don't agree with him with his position on religion but I was totally with him almost everything else his lecture.

[General Duke]

Saxardiid,

 

As you was there at the lecture, did he say these comments as reported on the article?

[bilan]

i thought everyone who know him,knows also he is not muslim cause he never hide it, and i heard from people who really know him that he was not raised as a muslim meaning he was never a muslim so actually he did not change his religion, but he should've respected his audience.

[African]

Bilan sis you stated that you head from people who really know him that he was not raised as a muslim. I’m assuming that these people know him now when he got lost, and he gave them a made up history of his background, but didn’t know him back in the old days when he was raised by his none other than highly respected uncle (maternal) called Xoogsade, who lives in Diri Dawa. This man raised him as a muslim just like he did raise his sons (who became pillars of their society). It’s only sad how his hard work on his nephew went to waste. Also he and his brother trash the tribe of their uncle (and mother) every opportunity they get, how disrespectful (biting the hand that fed them).

 

This Samatar guy, his people hate him the most, but I see that the Somaliweyn camp will invite anyone to speak in the house of Allah at all cost as long as he’s preaching their massage, how sad indeed.

[Saxardiid]

Smith

Prof. Samater said almost everything in the article. It seemed to me at the time he was too relaxed about his religious beliefs which none of us contemplated before. He praised early Islamic culture, arts, philosophy and Civilization in general. He also said he was ready to have discussion about existence of live after death with anyone in public.

 

African

It’s only sad how his hard work on his nephew went to waste. Also he and his brother trash the tribe of their uncle (and mother) every opportunity they get, how disrespectful (biting the hand that fed them).

I don't know what he said in other lectures but this one he praised his reer abti for giving him the good work ethos. He modeled Gabilay where his uncles raised him as excellent example of how Somali people can work together as "Tol" (which he explained as society consisting on everyone who lives the town). He even told us the name of the tribe that his mother from. He said mosque was the pillar of that society and after Friday prayer the entire town would gather to discuss pressing issues. He discouraged "Qabiil", which he described as ego men descended from one grandfather. He also praised former PM of Somalia Abdirisak H. Hussien for his good bureaucratic ability when he employed un-proportional number of skilled civil servants from northern Somalia in his government despite huge resistant from southern politicians. Any moment during his lecture I haven’t felt he disrespected his mother or uncles.

 

This Samatar guy, his people hate him the most, but I see that the Somaliweyn camp will invite anyone to speak in the house of Allah at all cost as long as he’s preaching their massage, how sad indeed.

He didn't preach Somaliweyn but he preached working together Somalis in Diaspora despite their backgrounds and I think that was positive message. Since early 1990s Somalis of all views were invited to this mosque for the benefit of the Somali community in UK. I have seen many Somali intellectuals who would never attend a mosque let alone pray in it come and join the masses when the found out how civilized were the people who invited them and their audience. The difference this time was the organisers were different and didn't know the procedure of inviting someone to give a lecture in the mosque. Normally if the lecture is too sensitive the venue will probably be outside the mosque.

 

I think the magazine that organised the lecture needed attention, know they got it but maybe wrong one.

[Abwaan]

I was at both lectures. The previous one was brilliant and on the second one I could not agree more with brother Saxardiid on how he has summarized the event.

The Speaker for the Hiraal group sounded arrogant to me. I could not believe how he did not thank the audience properly but started being rude to them in telling them that this lecture was for young Somalian University Students whom for either my poor observation or the reality I have only spotted few. I have not seen a single advert or announcement for the lecture on anywhere so I was wondering whether Hiraal group managed to email or text all the young Somalian University Students around UK and how? I heard that this was how they got their message spread around although it has reached me via word of a mouth.

The professor did thank the audience though and praised them for their patience during the lecture.

For those of you who would be interested in to watch the lectures, it was recorded on video and I think it should be available. Forgive me that I can't tell you from where but others might do. My apologies to the admin, in case I am breaking your policy towards advertisement over here.

[Emperor]

Halkaas miyaan maraynaa, aduunyoy ninkii nool maxaa aragti kuu laaban.

 

Just look at this pic from tsnami disaster your eyes will not believe, all is left was the mosque, Subxanallah

 

Allah Says: SHAKIR: "We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and in their own souls, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things? "41:53

 

SHAKIR: "Now surely they are in doubt as to the meeting of their Lord; now surely He encompasses all things."41:54

 

how true.

[Jumatatu]

^^^Indeed....! But they are blind to it.....!

[AYOUB]

Originally posted by Saxardiid:

He didn't preach Somaliweyn but he preached working together Somalis in Diaspora despite their backgrounds and I think that was positive message. Since early 1990s Somalis of all views were invited to this mosque for the benefit of the Somali community in UK.

The man should not have been given a stage to make declaration of disbelief in a Masjid of all places. He's known for his 'atheism' and 'Somalism', what else did the who let him in expect?

[Gabbal]

He's known for his 'atheism' and 'Somalism', what else did the who let him in expect?

I don't see why you put "atheism" on the same page as "Somalis".

[Emperor]

HornAfrique:

I don't see why you put "atheism" on the same page as "Somalis".

LOOOOL, you got me laughing sxb walahi, waa la isku dhagan yahay meeshan walahi.

 

I don't know, good question thou, I think two things are of a big problem to him that he can't face at once, which I think he would have preferred to face each at one time.

 

Well domonstrated by Ayub and well spotted by Horn, I must say, LOL.

 

Gday

[AYOUB]

^

 

Horn

For your info, I don't consider 'Somalism' as bad as 'atheism', the point I was trying to make to make is; the people who invited Samatar inside a MASJID thought he would only talk about 'Somalism' and not about the dubious aspects of his beliefs. We may disagree on this but, I don't think a Masjid is a ideal place to discuss this sort 'somalism' politics whether people like Samatar are involved or not. Doing wrongs is one thing, doing them in a Masjid is another, don't you think?

[Gabbal]

I don't consider 'Somalism' as bad as 'atheism'

I got you about the Samatar thing, however, you don't consider "Somalism" as bad as "atheism"...?

 

War getta outta hea

[Saxardiid]

Ayoub

I don't think a Masjid is a ideal place to discuss this sort 'somalism' politics whether people like Samatar are involved or not. Doing wrongs is one thing, doing them in a Masjid is another, don't you think?

sxb the person who invited the prof. is good friend of mine and he is Islamist. When I asked whether he was aware the odd views of the prof. he told me he didn't but wasn't also apologetic about his choice. The host beliefs Islam is not defensive religion and can take all its critics. He also beliefs that early Muslims used mosques as places to have discussions, plan wars, even non believers used to come and see the prophet {PBUH}. The lecture didn't took place inside the mosque but an adjacent hall where Muslims us every think including weddings.

 

The guy repeated that he was Muslim and proud to be one. He also said that was going to china to give lectures about Islamic civilization. So I don't think he is atheist but he confessed he was secularist.