XOG-ogaal Posted April 17, 2007 SHAKHAAR AREN'T YOU GIVEN UP TOO EARLY ? WHAT HAPPEN TO YOUR SUPPORT OF THE TFG WINNING ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Garyaqaan2 Posted April 18, 2007 This war in my eyes is unwinnable, unless there are some changes to it. The government cannot win this war because for the simple fact that this is urban warfare and that the government has around 9000 troops stationed in Mogadishu which half has no knowledge of Mogadishu itself nor its environments. Furthermore there are some 20000 Ethiopian troops in the capital who don't know where they are or what they're doing in Mogadishu. The resistence is fighting in their own districts and they know every alleyway and secret path of their areas where they can escape to and hide and make the enemy feel a total stranger in those parts of the city. The other thing that the fight started at 8:45 pm tonight it is dark and the government troops and ethiopians don't know where they are or where they're supposed to be, so this is a big disadvanged for the government. Simply the government can not win this war and the Ethiopians are determined if they don't get any results tommorrow that they will throw in the towel and leave Somalia altogether. They cannot stay in Somalia for any longer they have to go and leave for Ethipia, therefore leaving us in a bigger mess than we first found ourselves in. The Victory is in the resistences hands and the earlier the government realises than the better but if they continue this will end up in a big failure and disaster. You cannot win such a war, it's a urban street to street warfare with modern and very lethal weaponary. Unless one is committed and determined to see this through and is willing to burn the whole thing down by using heavy artillery and air cover, this war cannot be won. The civilians have already left the areas that are now contested, there are no civilians but only fighting men from the resistence and so far they have the upper hand because the government troops and ethiopians have clearly failed in their objectives of capturing what they set out to capture. They didn't move very far nor did they expell the enemy from the targets they were supposed to attack and capture from the enemy. Without the support from the air and cover and heavy artillery, the footsoliders are helpless because remember this are ethiopians professional soliders, people who joined the army because they couldn'd find another profession. Many were forced and many don't know what they're fighting for. They don't have any motiviation to fight this bloody urban face to face warfare because they are only here to get their salaries in order for their families to live but nothing else. It was fun overwhelming the clan courts and their sympathisers because then one was fighting in open fields and not densely populated bloody urban areas (now it is densely populated with resistence fighters). They had a superior advantage which was fighting jets, which bombed the hell out of the courts and made them disperse but this is different. Unless they use heavy shelling from the air, their artillery and footsoldiers won't do a great deal of harm to the resistence and they won't have anything on them. So I say victory is firmly in resistences hands and they cannot lose in any way or shape or form. It is just unimaginable because they have the advantage of 'home support' because they know the areas very well where the fighting is taking place right now which their counterparts don't. They know every side street that leads out and in of a particular resistence area, they know the hiding places, it is just sealed this war is unwinnable for the TFG and its allies. I firmly believe that victory is in the resistence hands and that the Ethipians are close in throwing in the towel and actually leaving. Mark my words it was me who predicted that there will be no war in the upcoming three weeks, exactly three weeks ago. So don't underestimate my latest prediction. Sakhar. IT might be a good prediction or not remembar geedi the PM his ppl are fighting the fight and they are the native of the city don't forget that. Jeele and Geedi both born in muqdisho their brothers and uncles are hungry for goverment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naxar Nugaaleed Posted April 18, 2007 nonsense! these rag tag militia or "resistance" will be hunted down like animals. for the love of god, they are fighting with macawiis and sandals! Urban warfare kulaha. The only thing that will help the government is understanding that these people will respond to nothing but force. The sooner they understand that the better. I do agree with you however about the government using solders that may not know the city as much as they should. It should start heavely recruting solders from this city but at the end of the day, nothing but a full scale war will pacify this city. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted April 18, 2007 Urban warfare advantage is not with this group. As for the knowledge of the city, the commander of the TFG forces is a Mogadishu resident, also many other groups including the former warlords have given support to the TFG side. The reason it took so long was to gain the info on these groups. They can no longer run and hide its street to street battle, and the main losers will be the business groups that fund them. Thus throwing in the towl will not be the TFG. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rudy-Diiriye Posted April 18, 2007 the longer amxaaro stays there, the longer this war will go on. its a simple fact. and w/o amxaaro, tfg will disappear into thin air. i suspect the longer it goes on this way, the more clans and nations of the horn will be dragged in 2 it! the course this process is heading now a hopeless situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted April 18, 2007 May Allah make all the gaalo iyo wixi raacsan see defeat. Amiin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naxar Nugaaleed Posted April 18, 2007 may allah help all the dowladdiid, secetionist and extrimist see the light. amiin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted April 18, 2007 ^^lol Bush and Rumsfeld would be proud Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abwaan Posted April 19, 2007 Originally posted by Tahliil: Watch this clip a week or so ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ghzu-3gzk8 Waxaan la yaabay sida geesinnimada leh ee dhallinayaradaan yaryar ee da'da yar ay naftooda ugu hurayaan difaaca dalkooda iyo diintooda. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xargaga Posted April 20, 2007 Ilahaiy guul hakasiiyo. Aaamin I was also impressed by this Somali opinion writer Ninka Ku faraxsan Dhiigga Walaalkiis kiisa maalin aan fogeyn ayaa lagu farxaa A/caleykum.w.w.Bacda Salaan Waxaa maanta ka dhacaaya Somalia dhiig aad badan waxaa Soo galay Cadowgii ugu weynaa ee abid Somaliyi laheyd oo ay lasoo dagaalameen dhammaanba Raggii usoo halgamey Xornimada Somalia ama madaxkasoo noqdey Waxaa la dagaalamey Axmed Gurey ilaahey hawnaxariistee waxa ladagaalamay Seyid Maxamed Cabdille Xassan Magacan Daraawiishta ee aad baabi,ineysaan oo Ciidamo Beeleedyo lasiinaayo kula dagaalamay-Ethiopia. Waxaa la Dagaalamay Madaxweynihii ugu horreeyey ee abid Somaliyi yeelato Adan Cabdille Cismaan. Waxaa la Dagaallamay Madaxweynihhii ugu wakhtiga dheeraa ee soo mara ilaa hadda Somalia. Maxamed Siyaad Barre iyo Dad kale oo aad u fara badan dawladda intaas oo nin oo magacweyn bulshada ku lahaa la Dagaalameen ayuu Cabdilaahi Yusuf soo geliyey maanta Waxaanay xasuuqeysaa Shacabkii Somaliyeed adigu Qabyaalad indho la oo la yidhaahdo HRT*** ayaa ku illowsiisey laakiin maalin aan fogeyn markey kasoo fara xalato Muqdisho waad arki waxa ku dhaca Laasqoray iyio Warsageliba waxaaney Somalidu ku maahmaahdaa labada Baroorood ta danbe ayaa xun waayo ninka Muqdisho ka dagaalamayaa isagu Baroortiisu waxa weeyey anigu waxaan qaban karayey waan qabtey laakiin hiil iyio hooba Soomaalaan ka waayey-bal ii sheeg adigu waxaad ka dhigan qiil. Nin xoolo badnaa oo reer Buuhoodle ahaa ayaa yidhi maalintaan Xoolaha iyo wiilasha bedqaba heystey Talo ma heyn maanta oo aan talo hayona intiiba wey i dhaafeen waa ninkii inankiisa oo nin diley la yidhi hal qaalin ah ka bixi ee yidhi xoolo sidaas kuma bixiyo xoolihii uu ku faanayeyna wey dhaafeen wiilashii uu ku faanayeyna dhammaantood Dagaalbaa lagu diley waana Dagaalka Kunka Nin ee Reer Hebel ee Kow isaga siiyey kasiwaayey wuxu waa qabaal waanad Tumataane ragoow Kibirka waa lagu jabaaye taas hala ogaado. Waxaan Somalidu isku heysataa waa wax sahlan lana dhammeyn karo laakiin Dalkii Somaliyeed maanta khatarweyn buu ku jiraaye maxaa idiinka diyaarsan inaad ku difaacdaan?? Fuad Yusuf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xiinfaniin Posted April 20, 2007 The advantages you highlighted were quite predictable few months ago yaa Sakhar. The reason tfg will lose big time is its alliance with Ethiopia. Simple! Ethiopia must leave. What might suggest them to do? I say go to the Arab capitals, and give in. ask for immediate talks with the resistance with no conditions attached. If they do that they would find them quite generous… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xoogsade Posted April 20, 2007 Considering the the track record of A/Y and Geeddi, they will go down fighting terrorists than engage in any meaningful negotiations which -in their rusted wicked mind - will deminish their power as the sole rulers of Somalia. These men live in a different world and are happy with the situation on the ground as it is, unconcerned, unmoved and affected by psychopathy. They live in denial and they will go down living in denial. Men like them never repent and change. It is their creed. I am surprised some brothers still think they have a chance of survival after what transpired in Muqdisho and still on going. Nothing but hanging these two stooges will compensate for their criminality. Planning a future without the TFG is the only way forward. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites