NEW NAME FOR SOMALIA

[Gordon Gekko]

The current term used to describe the countries form of governance is ideal; The (transitional) Federal State of Somalia. An alternative is; The United States of Somalia (USS).

 

A federal system with independent states in a union and with Mogadishu as the central national political headquarter and capital is the future of Somalia.

[Sharif_seylaci]

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[Sharif_seylaci]

but u know what it is Somalia situation will never stop couse tribes will always be there and no one can hold the country toghether and every one knows that muhammad siyaad barre coudent do with the largest army in the horn but then again he gote defeated bye the snm

 

 

We hade the icu islamic courts union islam could bring somalis together its one thing we all share but somalia had yusuf as president who thought i cant live with out tigray not helping me so he invited them inside mogadisho and every where in somalia.

 

Mengistu haiile maryaam send a letter 2 melez zanaawi u know what he said waxaad ku dhacday waxaan anigu iyo haille sellesie baa ku dhici karrey weynay uu aah mogadisho ayaad xoog habashi ku qabsaday

[Taliban]

Originally posted by TheSomaliEconomist:

A federal system with independent states in a union and with Mogadishu as the central national political headquarter and capital is the future of Somalia.

A federal system is based on secularism which is incompatible with Somalis because they are overwhelmingly Muslims. A Sharia' system should be the future of Somalia. If you insist a federal system can work for Muslims, cite a Muslim country where the system succeeded.

[Gordon Gekko]

Originally posted by Taliban:

quote:Originally posted by TheSomaliEconomist:

A federal system with independent states in a union and with Mogadishu as the central national political headquarter and capital is the future of Somalia.

A federal system is based on secularism which is incompatible with Somalis because they are overwhelmingly Muslims. A Sharia' system should be the future of Somalia. If you insist a federal system can work for Muslims, cite a Muslim country where the system succeeded.

Malaysia is a federation of of thirteen states in Southeast Asia. Islam is the country's official religion.

 

Did you loose a precious minister post in the ICU regime or is there any other reason for your bitterness towards a functioning TFG?

[Gordon Gekko]

Originally posted by Taliban:

quote:Originally posted by TheSomaliEconomist:

A federal system with independent states in a union and with Mogadishu as the central national political headquarter and capital is the future of Somalia.

A federal system is based on secularism which is incompatible with Somalis because they are overwhelmingly Muslims. A Sharia' system should be the future of Somalia. If you insist a federal system can work for Muslims, cite a Muslim country where the system succeeded.

Malaysia is a federation of of thirteen states in Southeast Asia. Islam is the country's official religion.

 

Did you loose a precious minister post in the ICU regime or is there any other reason for your bitterness towards a functioning TFG?

[Taliban]

Originally posted by TheSomaliEconomist:

Malaysia is a federation of of thirteen states in Southeast Asia. Islam is the country's official religion.

You have a confusion and your understanding of Malaysia's system of governance is incorrect; it's not federal system. The fact that Malaysia is a federation of thirteen states doesn't mean its system of governance is based on federal system. Its system of governance is based on constitutional monarchy. The kind of federal system you meant to advocate for Somalia is the kind Germany has. Next example!

[Alle-ubaahne]

Originally posted by TheSomaliEconomist:

quote:Originally posted by Taliban:

quote:

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Originally posted by TheSomaliEconomist:

A federal system with independent states in a union and with Mogadishu as the central national political headquarter and capital is the future of Somalia.

A federal system is based on secularism which is incompatible with Somalis because they are overwhelmingly Muslims. A Sharia' system should be the future of Somalia. If you insist a federal system can work for Muslims, cite a Muslim country where the system succeeded.

Malaysia is a federation of of thirteen states in Southeast Asia. Islam is the country's official religion.

 

Did you loose a precious minister post in the ICU regime or is there any other reason for your bitterness towards a functioning TFG?

Federation of states and Islamic system don't go together. If you are talking about Islam, you must forget the idea of territories, which has alot to do with the secular, kufaaric system of the day. Federations emphasize the significance of lands as means of power for administring their own lots in a localized manner. But Islam is above and beyond that idealogy. I emphasizes the worship of Allah alone and making the entire system of govenance work towards the perfection of that worship through Islam as the way it is.

 

Now, how many next of kins do you get in the Fadaro System of Abdullahi Yuusuf?

[Taliban]

Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne:

Federations emphasize the significance of lands as means of power for administring their own lots in a localized manner. But Islam is above and beyond that idealogy. I emphasizes the worship of Allah alone and making the entire system of govenance work towards the perfection of that worship through Islam as the way it is.

Well said.

[Kamalu Diin]

DimiHaDa tretorries

[Kamalu Diin]

Union of DiMiHaDa tribes

[Xudeedi]

Following is an Online post made in 1995 by Abdirazak Hirad nearly 12 years ago.

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(The following is a repost, circa Dec 1995).

 

 

Forum members:

 

As contentious as they might be, people with frankness and fortitude should not shun away from discussing issues which they think they might draw horns of those who are, unwittingly, hurt because of the issues themselves. ********** issue is all about haunting betrayal which I believe we've another one in the making and the generations behind us will be saying: Somalia would not have been in the hands of the Ethiopians if the Somalis did not betray themselves.

 

Let us start with the country Ethiopia itself. During the nineteenth century scramble for Africa, Abyssinia admirably defended itself from

colonial powers. It has to be commended with the fervor and skill with which she achieved this. Unfortunately, its neighbors, Somalis whose

hands were tied behind their back by the European colonial powers and their ever-present internal squabbles, paid the price for Abyssinian

success.

 

Somalis were not allowed to obtain arms hence defenseless clans were raided by the Abyssinians with impunity as the following logic explains

it:

 

"The Abyssinian authorities have hitherto obtained large quantities of arms and ammunitions through the French Protected port of

Jibuti, in addition to the supplies which have been furnished to them by the Italian Government through Zeila and Massowah, and it is said that

it is the possession of these arms which has enabled the Abyssinians to raid the Somali tribes of our Protectorate with impunity, the latter not

being permitted to obtain firearms in the ports of the British Protectorate." (Red Sea Papers: Memo by Mr. Bertie (extracted from

Eastern Dept. Memo of Oct. 15, 1893)

 

Therefore, were it not this policy of *Garbaduub* practiced to the detriment of the Somalis and to the advantage of the Abyssinia, there is no way ********* or for that matter any Somali territory could have fallen into the hands of Abyssinia. Nor would they have been able to bully Somalis, in terms of tax imposition, forced labor and down right rustling of life stock without these arms. So, with the preferential

treatment secured for Abyssinia by the Europeans(Brussels Gen. Act of 1890), Abyssinia was able to Sunday-stroll on the Somali territories and

it will now, given the current situation in Somalia, provided it wants to taint its hands with Somali mud.

 

Now comes the question of betrayal of the Somalis by themselves. Well, let us revisit the Dervish movement, who kept the British and their

cohorts at bay from 1900 to 1920. Were Somalis, en masse, as supportive to this movement, it is doubtful that the predatory bands of Abyssinians

"would have dared evidently to raid the lowlands." The Dervishes, unlike other Somalis who were denied the right to import arms, were well armed and their forays to the ****** lands are well known. Since we have the hindsight advantage of the past, it goes without saying that, were the Oggaden clans unanimously supportive of this movement or were

the Somalis as whole united within themselves, irrespective of under what banner, Abyssinia would have had second thoughts of venturing to

these lowlands. However, as my grandfather used to say, "Geel darreeray nin ka darshay, ma awliya Allaa." So, why would the Abyssinians standby to an easy prey.

 

Whatever movement it was, if the Somalis were not undermining each other as they are doing now, we would not have been discussing this much ado

about Kilil5 this and Kilil 5 that. Now, comes the question, what is hindering Ethiopia to annex the whole Somali nation, after all, it is as

vulnerable as it can be. Nothing! The same way we betrayed each other before of being paralyzed by petty internal squabbles is why we are at

cul-de-sac. Anyone can take advantage of us now, whether they dumb nuclear waste, deplete our resources, or down right taking of the

wretched Somali country. Then, hundred years later, we would have a discussion of why Somali territory was lost. Betrayal, disappointment,

and petty bickering is why.

 

 

Regards,

 

 

Hirad

 

 

PS: Now could be the start of those hundred years and "Kutub gurigiisii

loo diiday, sayaxba wuu dili."

 

[ February 11, 2007, 11:50 PM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

[Kamalu Diin]

Whatever movement it was, if the Somalis were not undermining each other as they are doing now, we would not have been discussing this much ado about Kilil5 this and Kilil 5 that.

Now, comes the question, what is hindering Ethiopia to annex the whole Somali nation, after all, it is as vulnerable as it can be. :eek:

Nothing!

:eek:

The same way we betrayed each other before of being paralyzed by petty internal squabbles is why we are at cul-de-sac. Anyone can take advantage of us now, whether they dumb nuclear waste, deplete our resources, or down right taking of the wretched Somali country. Then, hundred years later, we would have a discussion of why Somali territory was lost. Betrayal, disappointment, and petty bickering is why.

Always Somalis knew how weak the are, but who gives dump about it; as long as we are protecting our tribe's interest from the ENEMY TRIBES

[Jacaylbaro]

Maakhir,

 

Can you post the link to that article please ??