2 questions about Somaliland and Oga-denya Somaliland?

[muhsin.max]

First, a discliamer from me is warranted. I'm from the South and in favor of the Somaliweyn concept. Though the naked truth is that the South is in a deep turbulance of its own anarchy and is no position to appeal to others to join in a unity with them, I also believe you can never force this Somaliweyn concept on others who dont view the same way as I do. Therefore I have no problem with Somaliland and O-gadenia establishing their own seperate independent states like DJibouti. But what I fail to grasp or comprehend is why are all Somalis regardless of their region of origin giving the thumps up for Og.adenya to become a seperate and sovereign state and not Somaliland?

 

I know every Somali is passionate about our Somali brothers quest to overcome Ethiopian oppression, but do 'we' Somalis seriously think if O.gadenya succeeds in it's liberation for a sperate statehood, it will not become like Somalia? Pre 1991 or post the downfall of the Somali government, there was not a plan to maintain the unity in the south by the leaders of the victors as they have embarked in revenge and met with counter revenge killings till we found ourselves in a deep mess. Do the leaders of O-gadenya have a positive political sharing plan that incorporates all the different Somali tribes in that region? Did they learn from the past grave mistakes in Somalia?

 

Respect to all these flags.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Somalia]

*QUACK*

[Jacaylbaro]

Somaliland will go on its way despite all the odds .............

[Mr. Somalia]

^^

YOU LIE !!!!

[Abtigiis]

Originally posted by muhsin.max:

Therefore I have no problem with Somaliland and O-gadenia establishing their own seperate independent states like DJibouti. But what I fail to grasp or comprehend is why are all Somalis regardless of their region of origin giving the thumps up for Og.adenya to become a seperate and sovereign state and not Somaliland?

This is a false statement and hence no issue here. Somali's want the Somali's in Somaligalbeed to be free of Ethiopian slavery, nothing more.

 

Unless you are so daft, the fact that one is colonised by non-somali, the other not by anyone should have been patently clear to you.

 

Silly questions have no answer buu odhan jiray Boon Xirsi

[muhsin.max]

Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tolka:

quote:Originally posted by muhsin.max:

Therefore I have no problem with Somaliland and O-gadenia establishing their own seperate independent states like DJibouti. But what I fail to grasp or comprehend is why are all Somalis regardless of their region of origin giving the thumps up for Og.adenya to become a seperate and sovereign state and not Somaliland?

This is a false statement and hence no issue here. Somali's want the Somali's in Somaligalbeed to be free of Ethiopian slavery, nothing more.

 

Unless you are so daft, the fact that one is colonised by non-somali, the other not by anyone should have been patently clear to you.

 

Silly questions have no answer buu odhan jiray Boon Xirsi

Mate, no arguments there I'm daft because I ask questions whom no Somali of my age dares to ask because of the Somali tradition, elders know all. come on, what elders? Jim Jones elders.

 

Also, I mentioned one is colonised, but I also mentioned that the other is left out alone in a dismissed union. Technically, it is a divorce. what makes the colonised special and the other impotent? Somaliland gained independence 4 days before the South and a consenting marriage as a union was conducted. Your argunment leans in support of Og-adenya should be a seperate entity but not Somalilanders, why will I care?

 

Can you answer the second part of my question. What do oga-denya leaders plan for other somalis in a free Og-denya?

[muhsin.max]

Originally posted by muhsin.max:

quote:Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tolka:

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Originally posted by muhsin.max:

Therefore I have no problem with Somaliland and O-gadenia establishing their own seperate independent states like DJibouti. But what I fail to grasp or comprehend is why are all Somalis regardless of their region of origin giving the thumps up for Og.adenya to become a seperate and sovereign state and not Somaliland?

This is a false statement and hence no issue here. Somali's want the Somali's in Somaligalbeed to be free of Ethiopian slavery, nothing more.

 

Unless you are so daft, the fact that one is colonised by non-somali, the other not by anyone should have been patently clear to you.

 

Silly questions have no answer buu odhan jiray Boon Xirsi

Mate, no arguments there I'm daft because I ask questions whom no Somali of my age dares to ask because of the Somali tradition, elders know all. come on, what elders? Jim Jones elders.

 

Also, I mentioned one is colonised, but I also mentioned that the other is left out alone in a dismissed union. Technically, it is a divorce. what makes the colonised special and the other impotent? Somaliland gained independence 4 days before the South and a consenting marriage as a union was conducted. Your argunment leans in support of Og-adenya should be a seperate entity but not Somalilanders, why?

 

Can you answer the second part of my question. What do oga-denya leaders plan for other somalis in a free Og-denya?

[Abtigiis]

Adeer,

 

1)You are starting with wrong premises and arriving at the wrong conclusions. And at times even putting words into my mouth. I am not arguing Oga-denya should be a separate state. Shall I repeat in bold: I AM NOT ARGUING OGA>DENYA SHOULD BE A SEPERATE STATE. That should rest one of your concerns, therefore.

 

2)What do Oga-denya leaders plan for other somali's in the region? NOTHING. Should they plan for others? You are saying ONLF is fighting for the Og clan. Then, why do they need to worry about others. By the way, this debate is covered million times and no one pays me a penny by telling it again and again to whoever wakes up one day and comes with incosequential debates, as if he has stumbled upon virgin ideas no one ever saw it before.

 

3) No one is saying elders know all, but if daft youngesters (as you claim to be) ask daft questions, there is no shame in telling them they should have told the horse from the donkey.

[muhsin.max]

Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tolka:

[QB] Adeer,

 

1)You are starting with wrong premises and arriving at the wrong conclusions. And at times even putting words into my mouth. I am not arguing Oga-denya should be a separate state. Shall I repeat in bold: I AM NOT ARGUING OGA>DENYA SHOULD BE A SEPERATE STATE. That should rest one of your concerns, therefore.

 

very kind of you adeer, I didnt start with prejudices of any of my premises, it is my due to my enquiring mind. Yeah, it is loaded with doubts. The Somali flag and its 5 stars is eclipsed by OLNF'd snd Somaliland's whom chose their own flags. truth be told, I have no problem nor qualms with either of them. ******-ya (btw the name sucks because it is a colonial tribal name intended solely of dividing somalis in that region) and without consultation with other somali tribes onlf concoted their own flag and also an oga-denya government in absentia. should we all Somalis (now supporting the concept and struggle) cry later and say, er, we made mistakes like! Somali killing Somali?

[Abtigiis]

Knew all this was anti-ONLF disguise. Come out of your shell and we shall take. Kursi yaroo micno daran ha iigu soo gaaban.

 

For you, one suggestion. ONLF is a tribal group whose intention is to dominate other Somali clans. The claim they make about fighting about Ethiopia and colonialism is a charade intended to impose clan hegemony on others. WE MUST STOP THEM AND FIGHT THEM BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. They are worse than the Ethiopians. I actually agree with you Muhsin. Apologies for my earlier rants. I didn't see their real intentions before. Down with ONLF and clan-based organisation! Down!

[Sophist]

Abtigiis, adiga cid kasta miyaad ujawaabtaa?

 

Xaq iyo Baadil ninkii isku khaldahaya isaga ayaa og difaaca uu naar kaheysto!.

 

Sophist

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

I support oga denias independence if its people want an independent state i support what ever they want , what ever they want to do with their country its up to them. The same way I support Somaliland independence and its road to diplomatic recognition. Self determination is the way forward

[Qudhac]

basically these OG people want to separate from ethopia which whom borders are reconised by UN just like any other nation, and yet they claim that somaliland which was a nation recognised by UN before thay entered a UNION with another country cannot somehow separate from them.

 

its hypocrisy at its worse, i wonder what makes somalia borders more important than ethopia.

[xiinfaniin]

Abtigiis should heed bro Sophits advice

 

wax walba lagama jawaabo

[Abokor Omar]

The ONLF's quest for statehood is one that will bite alot of ignorant people in the back sometime in the future. These liberal qabiless somalis who assume that some sort of ''Genocide'' is going on in Somali galbeed and they must support the ONLF course will oneday learn that it was all a trick to monopolize the whole region and rule it with an iron fist, by then its to late. And your back to pre1990 somali all over again.