Somalia PM wants dialogue; 6,000 dead this year

[NGONGE]

Oodweyne

 

Glad tidings I bring, saaxib. I have survived reading your last post and can also proudly claim to have understood it, despite your cunning attempt to confuse me. However, I am afraid you are either missing the whole point or are trying to justify things by resorting to morality and fairness!

 

I abhor spin. I can't stand propaganda. I dislike demagogical arguments.

A war usually involves two sides. Both passionate about their own positions and moral justifications, both focused on using almost any mean to destroy the enemy and, both claiming to occupy the moral high ground! It is left to the impartial observer (you and I) to sift through the nonsense and see which of the sides is telling the truth (or at least the best part of the truth).

 

Now, the article here implied that the new TFG PM is considering having talks with the opposition groups. It is possible of course that this is a lie and the man has no such plans. However, it is also possible that the opposite is true and, therefore, one (for the purposes of the discussion here) is forced to assume that the TFG PM intends to have these talks. For now, what these talks will entail is irrelevant. The success of such talks is immaterial. The refusal of the opposition/resistance groups to participate is unimportant. Only one thing is crucial here. It is the false argument that no talks will take place unless the Ethiopians leave!

 

You may shake your head in disbelief, blow a raspberry or wonder if I'm a few mejins short of a jawan! But, I assure you that I am deadly serious here. I am even more serious and particularly disappointed when it comes to you.

 

With some people, I operate on Auto Pilot when they forward certain arguments. With you, and when it comes to Somaliland, I have learned to take almost all you write there with a pinch of salt. You're an uncompromising patriot and, as such, most of your arguments are ruled by passion more than sense. However, whenever I see you talking about any other subject I usually pay extra attention and enjoy reading the arguments you're presenting.

 

Now, you're a sensible man (other than when it comes to your first love). As a sensible man can you really not see the hopelessness of the argument 'no negotiation unless the Ethiopians leave first'? Is your hatred for 'the defeated lot' that strong that you can't even see a silly argument when it is put before you?

 

I believe negotiation is the best option, TODAY. Neither side holds all the aces and both are conducting things on what seems to be a wing and a prayer! It is the time for bartering and bargaining. However, what I believe does not matter much here. What I don't believe does. I do not believe that if the Ethiopians leave, negotiations will take place! It looks like the opposition have set their stalls for a winner takes all climax. Yet, here they are spreading this unbelievable notion of negotiation after withdrawal! It is nonsense and should be questioned exactly in the same way you would question the dozens of nonsensical assertions the TFG makes every day. It's quite unlucky that your ethical scales are too rusty, saaxib.

 

In this forum you see, the moral judgment should not really focus on what is taking place in Somalia but rather on how it is reported. When a half-truth is passed off as a lie one has to question it and crush it. Of course, with serial propagandists like Duke and company only a couple of refutations are necessary. After that it becomes silly to stalk them and keep telling them that what they're peddling is all lies.

 

Now, are you ready to agree about the nonsensical nature of the opposition's argument (the one and only one I am picking on here) or do you have enough wind left in you to try sailing against the currents of common sense?

 

Ps

I got your Somaliland comparison the first time. You really didn't have to explain it again. It was a flimsy comparison then and still remains a flimsy one now. Moreover, it bore no relation to my argument in any way.

[Emperor]

^Hureey, it was time for you to go Oodwayne on Oodwayne.... Waz up with the bold words and senstences

[NGONGE]

^^ If I were talking to a Chinese man I would do it in Cantonese or Mandarin. If I was talking to a French person I would try French. With Oodweyne I have to employ the occasional bold font. It's like one of those tongue clicks the Bushmen of the Kalahari have in their language.

 

Orod afka baro, adeer

[Emperor]

^ Makes sense, now you have mastered the art of destroying arguments on SOL, you won't defeat our own philosopher and SOL resident Oodweyne unless, and only unless you go Oodwayne on him

 

Waan fahmay Secret-ka

[Ibtisam]

^^ If I were talking to a Chinese man I would do it in Cantonese or Mandarin. If I was talking to a French person I would try French. With Oodweyne I have to employ the occasional bold font. It's like one of those tongue clicks the Bushmen of the Kalahari have in their language.

 

Orod afka baro, adeer

HAHAHA loool.

 

So true, but we cannot deal with two Oodweyne's so please.

[N.O.R.F]

The insurgency has the upper hand ya Jamaaca.

 

Condi's words of disapproval on how the TFG is running things the Ethios disatsfacton with the new cabinet, recent media articles reflectng negatively on the TFG, the PM call for dialoque etc etc.

 

The TFG is under pressure to deliver peace and a broad based govnt after a year of failing to rid Somalia of the insurgency with all the help of Ethios and America.

 

The insurgency is in a stronger position today than mid 2007.

 

An agreed phased withdrawal wth difinitive dates is the only carrot Asmara group will accept. anything less than that is peanuts.

[Che -Guevara]

Originally posted by -Nomadique-:

Or alternatively, it will purge the nation of the most callous warlords once and for all.

 

Removing these sabotoeurs from the political landscape may be the kick start the nation needs towards national reconciliation and lasting peace.

 

 

Allah knows. [/QB]

Let's hope that would be the case.

[NGONGE]

^^ Oh you tease

Fair enough. I'll let it go for now. I am sure we'll meet on another thread

[NASSIR]

Now, you're a sensible man (other than when it comes to your first love). As a sensible man can you really not see the hopelessness of the argument

'no negotiation unless the Ethiopians leave first'?

Is your hatred for

'the defeated lot'

that strong that you can't even see a silly argument when it is put before you?

Well Said Ngonge