The current state and the way ahead

[Gheelle.T]

Originally posted by Somali Pirate:

sharif is reactive.

 

not proactive. that's killing him. relying on foreign elements has killed sheikh sharif if it hasn't

You said in other thread that Shareef's government doesn't have the support of the people, while these men who you vehemently support have apparently enjoy that support(according to you.) If so, why would they fight in the midst of the same people they are saving? why would you kill and maim them if you their interest at heart? You can finger point to whoever you want and scapegoat AMISOM or whatnot, but the actions of these guys will never be justified.

[General Duke]

^^^Meiji, this is the correcting Sharif's image topic. Nothing more, Yusuf has enough topics going. Even in retirement they love the lion from Puntland.

[Somali Pirate]

Originally posted by Gheelle.T:

quote:Originally posted by Somali Pirate:

sharif is reactive.

 

not proactive. that's killing him. relying on foreign elements has killed sheikh sharif if it hasn't

You said in other thread that Shareef's government doesn't have the support of the people, while these men who you vehemently support have apparently enjoy that support(according to you.) If so, why would they fight in the midst of the same people they are saving? why would you kill and maim them if you their interest at heart? You can finger point to whoever you want and scapegoat AMISOM or whatnot, but the actions of these guys will never be justified.

they are fighting in the city to take over it. pretty simple. Although it is sad that civilians get killed in the crossfire.

 

 

i saw this coming back in feb. amisom was sharif's watergate

[xiinfaniin]

Duke, yet you support him .

 

Sharif is your leader unless you are seccessinst or a mindless alshabaab

[Gheelle.T]

^So it's justifiable to kill the innocent people as long as they their goal? What a pity. And you are complaining about the other side eh..

[Meiji]

Me,

 

First of all, the foreign-created regime (TFG) is clearly a dysfunctional entity that cannot survive without those that created it.

 

I will not debate with you on the TFG case, since I believe that we share the same view towards that foreign creature.

 

What I disagree with is your view towards the Islamist camp (Xisbi Islam/Alahabab).

 

They will teach us the meaning of freedom, accountability, transparency, because after them we will never want to live under either anarchy or authoritarianism.

Haven't we already learned the meaning and value of freedom, accountability, transparency after the collapse of the 21-year pseudo-socialist authoritarian government?

 

The fact that Somalis entered a period of anarchy has to do with the period in which people lost basic freedoms. We went from one extreme, i.e no basic freedoms, oppressive state structures, to another extreme: anarchy, and lack of any state structures.

 

Somalia will be a pariah state but one that is

free

from the shackles of international powers. We will be a pariah state, but an

independent one

. Independence that we have bought with the blood of our fellow citizens. Somalia will be a pariah state that has the chance to be redeemed.

What is the value of independence on nation-state level when the citizens of that nation-state are not independent themselves?

 

For example, what value has independence or freedom for a society that you yourself have described fittingly:

 

Unemployment levels up to 80% of the working population an authoritarian government interfering with every detail of our personal lives. Always living in fear, always expecting that knock on the door, always wondering who will snitch and tell a lie. You will say they took so much away what will they take next?

We should not compare two evils and find ourselves in a position were we have to chose the lesser evil.

 

We should denounce both evils, and present a better alternative.

[xiinfaniin]

^^The better alternative = Mogadishu Society

[Goodir]

^Could you break down that code name Moq Soc. in layman's terms.

[xiinfaniin]

^^Ask Meiji, he is the man who coined it.

[Mintid Farayar]

Meiji,

 

You make a lot of sense with that last posting but I'm afraid it's going over people's heads...

[Goodir]

Inclusive of anyone in the **** block? Or just the lower dacas lane?

 

[ May 15, 2009, 12:11 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

[Resistance]

ME if it was a choice of the current TFG v Shabaabs , i think the TFG as it is will suit the Somali people better right now and that Freedom bus u mention well there is more chance of catching it via the TFG then the Shabaabs.

[wacdaraha_aduunka]

Meiji sxb you do sometimes make logical comments but when the M. Society card come's up then it all goes up in smoke. Besides I think your more secular then the average Somali in the West. If there was any Mogadishu society then it probably died in 1991 when all Somali clans lived there in harmony. When you see people who been witnesses to gross violations of islamic law and the killing and looting of fellow muslims but woke suddenly up in 2006 abd became caadil. Ilaahayoow amuuahaan sahal laakinse inkaar baa ku dhacdey Muqdishu iyo dadkeeda.

[Kamaavi]

Originally posted by Xidigo*:

Nin buka boqol u tali.

spot on.

[Meiji]

Originally posted by wacdaraha_aduunka:

Meiji sxb you do sometimes make logical comments but when the M. Society card come's up then it all goes up in smoke. Besides I think your more secular then the average Somali in the West. If there was any Mogadishu society then it probably died in 1991 when all Somali clans lived there in harmony. When you see people who been witnesses to gross violations of islamic law and the killing and looting of fellow muslims but woke suddenly up in 2006 abd became caadil. Ilaahayoow amuuahaan sahal laakinse inkaar baa ku dhacdey Muqdishu iyo dadkeeda.

Maybe my political views towards Mogadishu and the importance of empowering society (especially civil society) to overcome the many problems Somalis face would have made sense if you would for once put aside that negative feeling towards the city for what happened in 1991. Bro, dont become stuck in the past like some secessionists. One thing is clear, all evils of the civil war and even during the 30-year existance of the Somali Republic will be corrected systematically and gradually. What we need to do is to de-politicize Justice, and look at it objectively.

 

 

We should not seek justice for our own interests alone while leaving out or ignoring the justice other groups deserve.

 

For example,

 

The secessionists seek their own justice and always propagate that the oppressive dictatorial regime of Barre massacred the Somalis in North-Somalia. They are so focused on seeking justice for themselves, that they completely overlook or ignore that of other Somalis. What about the 300.000 Somalis that died as a consequence of the famine? What about the countless Somali nomads that died because their wells were poisoned in Northeastern and Central Somalia? etc etc.

 

Let us seek justice for all Somalis, and approach it from a Somali-perspective.

 

Think about that for a minute.

 

 

PS: Islam will have a very important role in Somalia's future. But we should be aware that political pretenders dont mis-use our religion as a platform to achieve political power.