SOL members: Who supports attacks on delegates

[Fabregas]

GG, The two comments I made are from unrelated threads. The simple reality is that there are different groups fighting the Ethiopians and warlord allies. Some are fighting for themselves, some are fighting for their clan and others are fighting for Islam( as they see it). The man who carries out suicide bombings is probably not doing it for his clan. Do you think one would strap himself with explosives and post a video on the net for global islamic affliates to watch for his clan?Don't you think there must be a local organizer to carry out such operations? It needs money, planning and coordination, although it is not exactly rocket science. So there are no reasons why the two groups can't coexist, ie Islamist opposition and Clan opposition. I didn't say that the Islamic opposition was non existant or ineffective. Infact it has been very effective as Mr Zenawi has admitted. Sheikhs(Islamists) were/are part of and leading the recent eight day fighting against the Ethiopians and their warlord allies. But I acknowledged that Clan elders hold the most power in Somalia. Yes there are clanish element to fighting in Somalia, but it is not the entire story. I think have your confusion stems from the fact that you believe the opposition in Somalia is essentially a clanish organisation designed to keep looted properties or some other criminal escort as Mr Duke frequently alludes. I am under no romantic illusions, matter of fact I am willing and able to criticise the aformentioned groups. The real romantic illusion is that you believe a poor African dictatorship(Zenawi) can perform a regime change in Muqdisho and rebuild the institutions of Somalia from scratch. Whilst I have reminded Mr Duke again and again that Mr Zenawi has been sent to a disaster in Somalia and that he is trying to accomplish a feat his masters(America) have failed to achieve in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere.I accept Mr Duke and others to carry on perpetuating this dream, whilst the brains behind it(Zenawi) desperately searches for a way out Somalia. I think you nicely sumed up the dillema facing Zenawi and his allies of brutal warlords:'As you make your bed so you must lie'.

 

 

Lastly, the I.C.U was created as a result of local clans attempting to establish law and justice through Shariah. But the military entity we know today as the I.C.U was largely formed as result of the attack made by the Anti Terror Alliance. Remember that they were heavily overwhelmed and outweaponed by the terror alliance. But they won a decisive battle and more people came to fight alongside. Then the warlords runaway to Adiss Ababa and the rest is history......

[Juje]

Originally posted by The Duke:

to attack the civilian peace loving delegates from across Somalia in the capital Mgadishu. I ask everyone on SOL political section a simple question.

Civilian peace loving? These morons who have turned up for a fake and phoney meeting called by individuals who lavish and exist on the presence of Ethiopian occupation forces in the country, and who above all rejoice at the killing, lootng, raping and destruction of their people and country by Ethiopians - should not only be attacked but shot in the forehead to make sure we rid the dirty scoundrels from the society.

These 'caloshod uu shaqeystayasha' dont represent anyone.

[General Duke]

^^^

Lastly, the I.C.U was created as a result of local clans attempting to establish law and justice through Shariah. But the military entity we know today as the I.C.U was largely formed as result of the attack made by the Anti Terror Alliance.

What nonsence, IndaCade and Xasan Dahir, Cirfo, Goobanle, Ayro and Abdiqasin to name just a few had thousands of militias spreaqd out from Mogadishu, Afgoyee, Bali-doogle up to Kismayu. Occupiying lower Shabbele, Juba's as well as parts of south Mogadishu.

 

Abukar Cadaan had militias which fought street battles inside Mogadishu for several years against Aydeed, against Musa Sudi and so on.

 

They were part of the USC movement turned JVA, Banadir Co. turned Clan Courts.

 

 

Thus they were not formed to combat the warlords they were the most armed warlords in Mogadishu for several years.

[rudy-Diiriye]

so true...i need a pic of these ppl. i will personally shoot them in the forehead.

 

a traitor deserve nothing more than a bullet in the forehead.

[Gordon Gekko]

Someone book a one-ticket flight to Mogadishu for rudy. Quick before he changes his mind

[Gordon Gekko]

Just in the last 9 days 16 civilians have been killed and 30 injured. Where are all the fake humanitarian aid-workers who used to cry out genocide?

 

Reports gathered from Simba News and Shabelle

 

Reported Civilian Casualties Caused by the Opposition

 

6/7

- 3 dead 7 injured Suuqa Xoolaha.

Simba

9/7

- 2 dead 7 injured.

 

Simba

10/7

- 1 dead 6 injured.

 

Qaraxyadani oo ahaa kuwa si weyn looga maqlayay gudaha Suuqa ayaa

dadka dhibaatada kaga soo gaartay ah Shacab

, sida ay Simba u xaqiijiyeen qaar ka mid ah dadkii halkaasi ku sugnaa, mana cada cidda qaraxyadaasi geysatay.

 

Simba

12/7

- 4 dead, 3 injured Bakara market.

 

Simba

13/7

1 injured by landmine planted for Ethio troops.

 

Simba

14/7

- 2 injured by handgrenade, Shirkada Isgaarsiinta.

14/7

- 1 woman dead 2 others injured, Tarabuunka.

14/7

- 1 dead 2 injured by handgrenade, Baar Ubax.

 

Shabelle

15/7

1 kid + 1 adult dead in attack on vice head of Afgooye.

 

Shabelle

[Gordon Gekko]

15/7

- 3 injured C/casiis & Shibis area

 

Shabelle

15/7

- 1 dead 2 injured, Bakara market

 

Simba

Current total: 16 dead 32 injured

[Jacaylbaro]

And it is not even the actual number ,,,,, it can be more.

[Coloow]

And why do you support this ********** (DA_BA_DHILIF) government, anchored by a beerless warlord?

 

The answer is simple; you do it not for the good of somalia/somalis but because of tribalism.

 

Goebells is turning in his grave in Deutchland when he realises that his propaganda for the nazis is potent in 2007. The country is not Gernmany but somalia.

 

I have yet to see a somali who supports this farce called TFG except hard core tribalists (many of them deprived of basic human intelligence).

[Coloow]

"IndaCade and Xasan Dahir, Cirfo, Goobanle, Ayro and Abdiqasin"

 

What about Qanyare, jeele, Huraale, Suudi, Maxamed Dheere, B.raage, Shaati Gadud, Abdullahi Yusuf, Ali Mahdi and the rest of the warlords? they are members of the dabadhilifs.

 

Terrorists.

[Gordon Gekko]

What you fail to see Mr. Halgan, is that the above killings and injuries are caused by the noble opposition of which your idolizing. And here follows some more on this topic:

 

 

Ugu yaraan shan qof oo labo ka mid carruur yihiin, ayaa lku dhaawacantay dhowr Hoobiye oo galabta ku habsaday agagaarka Xaafadda Beyxaani, iyo Suuq-yaraha, ee Degmadda Shibis, oo aan ka fogeyn madasha uu Shirweynaha Dib-u-heshiisiinta Beelaha Somalia ka furmay.

 

Dhowr qof oo Haween iyo carruur oo dhaawac ah, ayaa lagu arkayey Waddooyinka Nasiib Buundo iyo Beyxaani, kuwaasi oo gaari-gacanno loogula cararay Isbitaalka, iyadoo aysan jirin wax gaadiid ah oo haatan ka shaqeynayo Xaafadahaasi oo bandow-maalmeed uu saaran yahay.

 

Kooxaha ku kacsan DFKMGS, ayaa horey ugu hanjabay inay duqeyn doonaan Madasha Shirka, isla markaana ay tallaabo culus ka qaadi doonaan Ergooyinka ka qeyb galayo Shirweynahaasi, waxayna DFKMGS ku eedeysay inay Kooxahaasi ka dambeeyeen duqeyntaasi.

 

Dhinaca kale, duqeyntan waxay ku soo beegantay iyadoo uu Shirweynaha Dib-u-heshsiisiinta Beelaha Somalia gelinkii dambe ee maanta ka furmay Madasha Shirweynaha oo ku taalla Xaruntii hore ee Gaadiidka Boliska Soomaaliyeed ee magaalladda Muqdishu.

 

http://www.somaliweyn.com/pages/news/July_07/15July21.html

[Coloow]

Gordon, If you want to make a point, you don't " cook lies"; did I idolize anyone????????? what do you mean by idolize? Read what I wrote. (

 

Where the hell were the likes of you when somalis were murdered in 1998? In 1991? and the subsequent 15 years???????It is easy to differentiate a tribal bigot from a sane somalis nowadays.

[Gordon Gekko]

^^ This is amusing. Your a supporter of the ICU and most likely also a supporter of any so called "insurgency/jihad" movement going on in Mogadishu (not Somalia, just Mogadishu) and hence you should be just fine with what your boys are delivering. They have been making threats all this time to attack the venue and their men enough to stick to their threats - so why are you all of a sudden bailing out on them homie?

[Gordon Gekko]

Mr. Geel_Jire12 who seems to be the new Opposition Group Expert of the forum might perhaps help us distinguish between the attacks carried out in the last 9 days by the 'Islamists' and the Tribalists respectively. I'm particularly curious on how the fact-finding behind the statements are to be made. You go ahead and enligten us Geel_Jire12. The scene is yours.

[Coloow]

Should I laugh? Are you a soothsayer(btw; someone who reads palms)??? I asked you to prove that I idolize-- and all you could come up with is this? I remember your laments on this forum a few months ago when you wore "somalieconomist" but abused the basic tenents of the science.

 

I hate to insult my intelligence. I shall therefore not respond to your accussations above. However, it is worth noting that a common trend on SOL from the supporters of the TFG is that they call those who don't share their tribalistic idealism "ICU supporters".

 

With this kind of replies no wonder there is an intelligence drain from the political section. keep using that line of argument and very soon you will be responding to yourselves!