Gabbal Posted August 5, 2005 Kaa qaatay... Miskiin unless "Boorana" and "Gebru" are now ethnic Somalis waxaan ka sheego ma hayi. Ragii wadanka Boranada ka xoreeyay before "1900" (just in case people mis-read this again ) was a date, farcankoodi baa wali dhulkaas dagan. Marka it's a well known fact, that the civil war has given a lot of groups to "claim" land that never belonged to them in the first, so walaalow forgive me if I look at those claims with indifference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar Posted August 5, 2005 Saaxiib, mala isku haayo Garbahaareey iyo Buulo Xaawo. Taas sheekada ma taala, oo dadka dagan ee deegaan ahaana u dagan waaba la yaqanaa, oo muran kama taagno. Laakiin Luuq, Dooloow and Baardheere is different, widaayoow. Soomaali isku dhaf ayee u daganayeen, laakiin wixii ka danbeeye 1991 sheekada waa is badashay. I don't call it "occupation" as it is in Shabeelada Hoose, etc, laakiin dadkii dhulkaas daganaan jiray waa laga barakiciye, whether iskood ugu baxeen or not. Hada waqti uma haayi, laakiin aniga intaan aqriye aan kuu kala dhigi doonaa. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bakar Posted August 5, 2005 Originally posted by HornAfrique: Ragii wadanka Boranada ka xoreeyay before " 1900 " (just in case people mis-read this again ) was a date, farcankoodi baa wali dhulkaas dagan. Waa kuwee raga wax xoreeyey, iyo kuwa laga xoreeyey? saxiib, wax gadmaayo suuqa keen. Waxaad tiri: "arka it's a well known fact, that the civil war has given a lot of groups to "claim" land that never belonged to them in the first, so walaalow forgive me if I look at those claims with indifference." Horey baan kuugu sheegey hadad wax fahmeysid: ha dhayarsan caqliga bani adamka! Taariikhdu waa mid aanan badalmeynin. Jalle, Hadey jirto historical fact aad ogtahey, dadka u faa idey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabbal Posted August 6, 2005 Maskiin ana waxaan kuula hadlayay sida nin wadanka u dhashay, adna waxaad iila timid "intaan aqriyay". Sxb xaal qaado, garadarada anay ila taal. Garbaharey, Beled-Xaawo, Luuq, Dolow, Baardheere, Jubooyinka, meela ka mid ah gobolada Bay iyo Bakool ow ay kamid yihiin Qansax-dheere, Diinsoor,etc were originally dhul Booran. Ragii xoreeyay farcankood yaa, hee, weli dagan. Murana kama jidho, shakina kama jidho. Maskiin hadaad tariikhda Gedo xaafidsantahay, raga la yidhaaho Sarmaley weeye ragaan ka hadlayo. BAKAR- Waa kuwee raga wax xoreeyey, iyo kuwa laga xoreeyey? saxiib, wax gadmaayo suuqa keen. Kuwa laga xoreeyay waxay ahaan jidheen Oromo asal, ceebna ma lahi markaa kugu dhaho ragii xoreeyay waxay ka farcameen Aw-same iyo Ab-same . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Major-General Cawad Posted August 6, 2005 Hawlihii indho fiiqida ayaa waxay maalnitii afaraad si dar-dar ah uga socdaan deegaanka C/waaq ee Gobolka G/galgaduud CAABUDWAAQ, Somalia - Mashruucii indha fiiqa ee ka socday degmada C/waaq ayaa hada kudhow Gebo Gebo waxaana maalintii qamiista ee shaly la soo af meeray diiwaangalintii fiisitada dadka isu qorayay in indhaha loo fiiqo. Dr Cabdi Casiis ayaa sagu qaliinka ugu faa'iidaynaya dadweynaha reer C/waaq iyo dad kale oo ayaguna ka yimid qaar ka mid ah gobolada dhexe ee dalka. Hawlahan indha fiiqa oo socday mudo 5 Cisho ah ayaa soo bilawday maalintii axada ahayd ee aanu ka soo gudubnay, waxaana dadka loo fiiqay indhaha ay kor u dhaafayaan ku dhawaad 75 qof oo ka kala yimid gobolada dhexe ee dalka Dr. Cabdi Casiis Cabdi Faarax aysan jirin wax Hay'ad ah oo ku tabarucday ama gacan ku siineysa hawshaas isla markaana uu kaligiis isku xilsaaray, waxaana daweynaha ay uga mahad celiyeen sida hufan ee uu dadka ugu hagar baxay aqoontiisa caafimaad. Waxaa la filayaa in uu Dr-ku maalinta sabtida ee soo socota wixii ka danbeysa uu fariisan doono goob caafimaad, taasoo dadku ay kala socon doonaan inta uu joogo hawlaha la xariira indha fiiqa. C/kariin Axmed Caabudwaaq, Soomaaliya ibagale1@yahoo.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar Posted August 6, 2005 Salaan... Taariikh waa sadex, marka hore. Waa in aad xaadir ka tahay (witnessing as events unfold); waa inaad aqrisaa wixii dhacay (second-hand history, reading what others who had witnessed wrote or who had read and wrote from those who did); iyo waa inaad maqashaa (listening and believing those claim to have been present or heard from other sources who did witness). Aniga markaan ku lee yahay waan aqriye, waxaan ula jeeday taariikha maanta jirto xaqiiqa ahaan, in modern times, written history is highly valued than orally spoken ones. This doesn’t translate as "deegaanka" uma dhalan. I believe reading written history is more trusted than an oral one from kinship, which is obviously slanted toward to certain views. This was another reason I am avoiding not to share my personal opinion masquerading as a fact. As for "deegaan" ahaan, shaqsi ahaanteeyda Xudur baan kasoo jeedaa, and I had been to Waajid, Bakool, one of the closest towns to Luuq. Dhulka maanta loogu magac daray Bakool, Jubbada Dhexe, Gedo iyo Baay one time waxaa la isku dhihi jiray Alta Jubba (mise Jubbada Sare) in colonial times. Waxaadna leedahay waxaa daganaan jiray Boorana. In ee daganaan jireen waa hore la iskuma heysto, laakiin in the last 800 years, at least, Soomaalis inhabited those lands. Laakiin Soomaalida wee ku kala soo horeysay. For a hundreds of years, considerably, it was ruled by Ajuuraan tribe (which aad iloowday aan u maleynaa) their subjects being most known Soomaalis today. Ajuuraan kingdom's headquarter was Qalaafe (present day Soomaali Galbeed). It was Ajuuraanka that ka kiciye Boorana dhulkaas Soomaalida kale la daganaa centuries ago, oo ku faafiye dhulka Soomaalida kale. After the fall of Ajuuraan kingdom, whom their historical remnants and descendants are still visible areas around Diinsoor and Buurhakaba vicinity, there, suddenly, in void of power, rose small and limited suldanates that ruled their limited surrounding areas. One such suldanate was Gasaargude (a Mirifle clan member). Gasaargude clan suldanate established and expanded their power base, establishing their headquarter in Luuq. They ruled the regions such as Gedo, parts of Bakool and Baay until the Talyaani came. They still share a little power there, Luuq area, albeit diplomatically now since they are unarmed. The Talyaanis immediately recognized and established Alta Jubba, for tactical and strategic reasons that those lands were inter-connected. Alta Jubba consisted these following towns: Baydhabo, Buurhakaba, Baardheere, Saakoow, Jajuuma, Diinsoor, Qansax Dheere, Waajid, Xudur, Tiyeegloow, Ceelwaaq, Dooloow, and Luuq. (Plus smaller villages and towns that were coming out, such towns as Ceelbarde, Yeed, Garbahaareey, Rabdhuure and Buulo Xaawo.) In the official elections between 1960--1969, only Baydhabo, Xudur, Buurhakaba, Luuq, Baardheere and Diinsoor had at least a member of parliament represented in Muqdisho. The MPs who represented Baardheere and Luuq (two seats each) districts both came from one clan, and they weren’t from the clan that claims to own those towns presently. After the Kacaanka, Gedo became its own gobol, with its main capital degmo inaugurated as Garbahaarey. To the surprise of many, unknown tuulo (at that time Garbahaarey) was chosen as a regional capital, sidestepping such heavy known degmooyin of Luuq and Baardheere. Of course since creation of Gedo itself was an unchallenged political move from the highest echelon of ruling regime, no one had voiced their dissatisfaction when Garbahaarey was deliberately chosen as its regional capital. With that choose, Luuq subsequently declined, both its trade with Soomaali Galbeed and NFD getting weakened. Baardheere too would have followed that route had it not being a xirta town. Dadka maanta Gedo sheegto inay daganaan jireen waxaa ugu soo horeeye qabiilka la yiraahda Hawraarsame oo soo dagay meesha maanta la yiraahdo Beled Xaawo iyo nawaaxigeeda. Qabiilkaan oo kasoo barakacay gobollada dhexe markuu imaanaaye already dhulkaan Boorane ma daganeen oo Soomaali ayaaba daganayd, xataa dhulka kasii shisho oo kamid ah Mandheere iyo Ceelwaaq. Maadaama abaarta iyo colaadaha gobollada dhexe iska badnaa ayaa markii danbe reerihii kale ee ugu soo tageen goboladaas usoo gudbeen dhanka dhulkaan cusub. Maadaama dadka badanayaan, isla markii waxaa la isku raacay in dadka cusub deegaanka loo gooye ku ekaadaan, waana labada deegaan kala ahaa Buulo Xaawo iyo Garbahaarey. Ilaa iyo kacaanka saas ayee u daganayeen, and maadaama kacaankii markii danbe arinta soo fara gishtay, naturally, dhul balaarsiga occurred. And after 1991, the whole landscape and demographical had both changed. Now, the town of Luuq, which also had a sizeable Fiqi Muxumed of D.i.r. clan along with the aforementioned Gasaargude clan, changed completely. Same with Bardheere, a town founded in 1761 by a group of awliyo men subsequently became known as Jameecada Baardheere, foremost among them being Sheekh Ibraahin Xasan Yabaroow. It was burned to ground in 1831 by the Geledi Suldanate ruled from Afgooye. Jameecada emphasized strongly in their particular order of sufi brotherhood, Qaadariya, instead of clan. The last known sheekh ruled them was Sheekh Mursal Macalin Caliyoow, murdered in ’92. _________________ Admin., pardon the clan gobbledygook. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabbal Posted August 6, 2005 Qaatay.. Taariikh aad soo aqrisay waad inoo daabacday, laakiin, walaalo, kuguma haboono inaad nagu tiraahdid waa tariikh xaqiiq ah. Tolow waxaan islahaa caaqilkaan waxbaa kaa faa'iidaysan kartaa adna waxbuu kaa faa'iidaysankaraa, laakiin isma dahayn waxuu soo daabacay waa wax every Digle & Mirifle websyte ku qoran. To my complete surprise, I had put what you ahd written on the google search engine, and here pops every Digle & Mirifle websites repeating all that you had written in complete order! I gathered it's the Digle & Mirifle point of view. Casharkayga waxuu ka koobnaan doonaa seddex (3) qeybood. (1) boqortooyadii Ajuuraan, (2) waxaa ka hadli reeraha la yidhaaha Digle & Mirifle etc, (3) waxaan ka hadli doonaa reerahii gobolada dhexe ka yimi iyo siday Booranta dhulka uga qabsadeen. (1)- Aan ka bilawno boqortoyadii la odhanjiray Ajuuraan. Hadii taariikh dhab ah la eegayo, Ajuuraanki jiri jiray saldhigooda mahayn Qelaafo ama nawaaxigeeda ee waxay ahayd dhulalka ka mid ah gobolada Bay iyo Bakool. Dad Soomaalida kale ka duwan ama Boqortooyo sida Axmaaraada uhaysan jirtay uhaystay maahayn. Xitaa boqortooya matali karto tii Suldaan Cali Keenadiid maahayn. Boqor Habesha ah oo dhulalkaas marayay ayeey mar is dirireen say Axmaaradi u qaataan inay boqorada Soomaali ahayeen. Markii koowaad ee magaca "Somali" lagu arko taariiqda qodhan, waxay ahayd taas. Boqorkii Axmaarada oo la odhanjiray Yeshaq ayaa u yeertay aftahanyo Axmaaro oo qoray gabay lagu faaninayo Boqorkii Axmaareed iyo siduu u baaba'iyay "boqortooyadii" Soomaaliyeed. Soomaalidu ( the 4 out of the 6) waligood caan waxay u ahayeen xolo-dhaqatinimadooda, madax adeegooda, isla-waynidooda, iyo xornimadooda. Boqor maysan lahayn, boqortooyana uma talin jidhin. (2)- Ma doonayi inaan dadka meel xun uga dhaco laakiin dad badan oo Soomaaliyeed ayaa u haystaan dadka la yidhaa Digle iyo Mirifle inaysan Soomaali asal aheyn oo ay yahiin dad Soomaalized laga dhigay waagii Oromada dhulka laga kacinayay. Qoraaga caanka Soomaaliyeed ee ingiriis ku qoro Cabdulaahi Diiriye ayaa buugiisa Cultures and Customs of Somalia ku qoray siduu aaminsanyahay dadka dhan oo Soomaalidu "others" u wacaan inaysan ahayn Soomaali oo bal Soomaali laga dhigay, such as luuqadaa la baray etc. Waa wax lawada ogsoon yahay inay seddex qolo caan u yahiin soo kicitaankooda ow ay u soo kaceen dhinaca koonfuur oo waagaas dhulka Booraan wada lahaan jidhay. Sedexdaas qolo oo lawada ogsoon yahay waxay ahaayeen, Mare-han, Ogaa-deen, iyo Degoodiye. Marka forgive me for asking, if Gasaargude iyo dadka kalaa sheegeesid inay ahaayeen Booraan lasoo Soomaaliyeeyay? Sheekada sidaas haday tahay, haa Gaasaargude iyo qolooyinkaas oo kale taariiq deegaan way ku leeyahiin say Boorantii kahor timi qabaa'ilooyinka Soomaaliyeed ayaguba taariiq deegaanka dhulka way ku lahaayeen. (3)- Soomaalida dagaalooyinkooda caanka ah waxaa ka mid ahaa kuwii ka dhexmaray Mare-han iyo Ogaa-deen inkastoo labada qolo darisnimo iyo walaaltinimo isu wadaagaan. Farahaa la'isku dhigay, feerahana waa la'iska jabiyay. Dad badan oo dagaalkaas ku daalay ayaa goo'aan gaadheen inay ka barakacaan dhulka deegaan u ahaa. Jifooyinka kamid ahaa Mare-han waxay ahaayeen Howraarsame,Habar-Yaqub, reer Xasan, reer Axmed iyo Talxe. Jifooyinka kamid ah Ogaa-deena waxay ahaayeen Cawl-yahan, Maqaabil, Talamuge (magaalada Cabudwaq, Galgadud waxaa lagu magac daray laf ka mid beeshaan oo la yidhaa Cabudwaq), iyo cida ka mid ah Maxamed Subeyr. Qolooyinkaas oo is wata ayagoo gobolka maanta la yidhaaha Hiiraan maraya ayee Dagoodiye oo guurayo u yimidaan. Markii la ishaybsaday ayee dadkii talo gaadheen. Degoodiye dhan, qaar ka tirsan Mare-han sida reer Hassan, reer Axmed, iyo lafooyin ka mid Howraarsame iyo habr-Yacqub, iyo qaar kaloo ka tirsan Ogaa-deen sida Cawl-yahan, Talamuge, iyo lafooyin kamid ah Maxamed Subeyr waxay aadeen dhanka Gedo iyo NFD. Waana taa Degoodiye iyo lafahaas Ogaa-deen ayaaga ugu badan koonfurta Ethiopia iyo NFD maanta, sidoo kale uu Mare-han ugu badan yahay gobolka Gedo iyo meela kamid ah xuduuda marka la dhaafo. Qaar kii kale oo ahaa (of Mare-han) Talxe, waxii kasoo haray Howraarsame, Habr-Yacqub, reer Hassan, iyo (of Ogaa-deen) waxii kasoo haray Cawl-yahan, Talamuge, iyo Maxamed Subeyr inkastoo sheekadaan ku saabsaneyn waxay aadeen dhanka Kismaayo iyo jubbada hoose. Waana taa weli deegaan ayagaa ku leh gobolada Jubooyinka Walaalo taariiq ku saabsan dhulalkaan ka hadlay intaas baa iigu eg. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Major-General Cawad Posted August 7, 2005 Meet Doctor Cabdulcasis Cabdi Faarax..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Young Jeezy Posted August 8, 2005 Hornafrique, I heard the Warday were in Lower and Upper Jubba and the boran were in Gedo and parts of Bakool and NFD. The Mar-ehan and the Awl-yahan expelled the boran while the other Og-aden subclans and Tal-xe expelled the Wardey from Jubboyinka. I also heard that Gaarsuge and Gaboweeyn(somali bantus that live on the river banks) were present in the luuq and bakool area at the time. They were not expelled from the area and were left to their villages. Another thing I wanted to point out was that Baled Xawo did not even exist at the time. Baled Xawo came to existence a long time later when a Ma-rehan who was working for the english as a soldier was based in Mandhera. Because at the time they did not allow Ma-rehans to settle in kenya because of their rebellious nature, his wife, Xawo Aden, built a house on the other side of the border in where Baled Xawo is today. More and more people settled in the area and the town grew bigger over time. Just to show you how new Baled Xawo is, Xaajiyo Xawo Aden, the lady the city was named after, is still alive and resides in Baled Xawo with her son. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nomadic Activist Posted August 8, 2005 Gedonet had an interview with the Madam who was named after Beled Xawo. Waxaa maanta noo suuragashay inaan soo booqano Xaajiya Xaawo Xuseen oo 100 jir ah ahaydna Haweyneydii loogu magacdaray magaalada B/Xaawo ee gobalka Gedo, kana mid aheyd dadkii wax ka asaasay magaalada taariiqiga ah. Wareysi dheer oo codkeeda ahna aanu dhowaan idiin soo deyn doono. Xaajiya Xaawo oo gabow ka sokow miyirkeedu aad u fiicnaa ayaa markaanu booqanay ku dhex jirtay aqal ku yaala tuulada la yiraahdo Baladuaamiin oo 4KM u jirto magaalada B/Xaawo, halkaas oo la degan tahay gabar ay dhashay oo 65 sano jir ah. Xaajiya Xaawo oo ayaan waxaan ka waydiiday xiligii ay soo degtay magaaladan B/Xaawo ayaa waxaa ii sheegtay inay xiligii ay soo degeen magaaladan ay aheyd xilli nooleeye ah oo roob badan jiray ayaga markaas abaar ba'an ka soo baxeen. Xaajiyada waxay sheegtay in xilligaas ay ka timid dhanka Nairobi iyo wajeer oo ayada iyo odaygeeduba (Allaha u naxariistee Xuseen Cumar) ay ka tirsanaayeen askartii Ingiriiska, markii ay ka soo talaabtay xadka Mandheera la yiri deg halkan oo ay ka dhisatay aqal Soomali, sidaasna loo magac daray magaalada B/Xaawo maadama aan ahaa qofkii ugu soo horeeyey oo soo dega degaankaan. Xaajiyada Xaawa Xuseen oo hadalkeedii sii watada ayaa waxay ii sheegtay inay halkaas ku dhashay afar caruur ah oo oo ku jirto gabadheyda oo ay hadda la degan tahay. Xilli yar kadibna waxaa ku soo biiray allaha u naxariistee XIRSI BAAR iyo HAAJIR KAMAS, alaha u naxariistee CABDILE RARANE, allaha unaxariistee mudo gaaban ka dibna waxay tiri waxaa nagu soo biiray KHALIIF SHIRE ShIRE MATAAN. Waxay kalooy ii sheegtay inuu ka tagay ama ka ruqseysatay ayada iyo odaygeediba ilaaladi ingiriiska, kadibna ay u guureen magaalada Nageyle ee dalka Itoobiya. Waxayna dib ugu soo noqdeen magaalada B/Xaawo dagaalkii 1977 dhex maray Itoobiya iyo Soomaliya. Wareysigii Xaajiya Xaawo Xuseen ayaan dhowaan idin soo deyn doonaa insha allah. Sanka Gedonet, B/Xaawo Her picture. http://www.gedonet.com/docs/Xaawo2.jpg Because at the time they did not allow Ma-rehans to settle in kenya because of their rebellious nature, Walal no Ma-rehan can get a kenyan citizenship today. When you apply for a citizenship in Kenya they will ask you for your qabil and if you write Ma-rahan you will be denied citizenship immediatly. This all because the Ma-rehan clan refused to sign a "peace-treaty" with the British , for the "peace-treaty" included the Ma-rehan clan giving their territory up and being governed by the British colonialist. Ugaas Doore who was the Ugaas of Gedo at that time refused to sign the treaty, because he said he would never succumb to forign rule and will never give his land freely . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xudeedi Posted August 8, 2005 hornafrique, raali ahow topiga waa lagaa hijack gareeyey. Thnx 4 the info. Waxaan idin weydiiyey Ibn Batuta kamuusan hadlin ajuuraanka ,markuu Xamar yimid, qarnigii 14aad. Shihab Al Diin, buugiisa Fataxul Xabash kamuusan hadlin ee qarnigii 15aad, suaasha waxa weeye halkeey awoodoodu ku saleysnayd, maxayse u aqoonsan waayeen gumaysigii somalia yimi. Mise waqtigaasi waa la riixey. dadkan kale ee digil iyo mirifle, magacooda goormaa la aasaasey? waa dad isu tegey horta . Nomadic activist, the British only signed treaty with certain clans.It signed treaty with all Is.aq and D.i.r clans in 1884 at once. The provisions of such treaties bore the same content except one it signed with Wars.ingali in 1886, which doesn't contain the preample that precedes every treaty which puts the independence and maintenance of order in the British Government hands. That means this clan didn't cede their land to the British in the treaty apart from matters relating to commerce and the abolition of slave trade. You can easily locate articles of such treaties online or from the colonial literature of British empire.. Besides, Somalia's first delegates to London in 1954 accused the British government of its blithe uncertainty about the transfer of Haud and Oga.den region---that the British defaulted on her obligation to protect Somali lands, failing to observe the 1884 and 1886 treaties. This was the first time Somalis had taken any political action independently of the Protecting Power. The Somali delegation was received with sympathy in London but failed to persuade the government to postpone the implementation of the agreement, or to find any Court before which they could plead that the 1897 Treaty was null and void because of the Treaties of 1884 and 1886 between the Somali tribes and British government. I.M Lewis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites