Fabregas Posted June 12, 2008 Saudis bank rolled the TFG gands and support the occupation in Somalia! Hadana they just want to prevent an Islamic Government arising in Somalia! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedSea Posted June 13, 2008 Xiin faniin, You can't present your points unless you have to go after the author. Focus on the messege. If it differs from yours don't assume one is against the peace. trust me, no one can reject peace when they see one. And my friend, as you said clauses on a paper doesn't really perform magic to changes the current status. You and I and the rest will know when Somalia is ready for peace. But why should i keep blabbing cuz I am against peace right? well watch this space and let us see how this 'peace' that has been signed and prayed upon by the Saudis plays out. ps. the only reason we yell, turn red around this page is for the concern of our people and their suffering. How ironic that those who laughed all of sudden have turned to be angels with wings who care. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gar-haye Posted June 13, 2008 Originally posted by xiinfaniin: NO.THIS.HAS.NOT.BEEN.TRIED.BEFORE. Tell us when Courts and TFG ever signed a peace deal like this one? You see Redka while the only quandary you face in your life in the land of the brave is to choose between two equally lovely girls, tens of thousands of your people back home in the south face death & life decisions in a daily bases. They have been through hell adeer, and they need some measure of peace. Most people want to get back to their homes and go on to raise their children. That’s the kind of opportunity innocent Somalis don’t have, and desperately want to get it. And that’s what this agreement may ultimately deliver. What are meaningless to the affected innocents are the Diaspora pens like yours who treat this shacbis tragedy as a peace of literary drama and produce scathing critiques, and babble with empty threats from afar! Horta yuu Shariif matelaa, they rhetorically ask! Lest you did not notice yet, the resounding answer to that silly question has been: US. Anaguu na matelaa. Sharif and his team, represent the real interest of shacbu suumaal---and the shacbu knows adeer. Adeer sacuudigaa la tegi, oo waa lasoo ducaysan, oo Ilaah ba lasoo baryi inuu dalka nabad ka dhego, oo carabtaa lasoo tuugi bal inay isku dayyaan isku kaayaa keenaan. In short wax walba oo soomaali lagu heli karo waa lasyku dayyaya yaa Redka… Even though only Allah knows how these clauses will be implemented, the possibility of peace and the shoot of hope that come down on us from Jabbuuti can not be denied! Dismissing it only shows what your priorities are and where your concerns lie! A lot of people dismiss this "treaty" because it's propogated by the same people who are bankrolling the ethiopians in somalia. Gaalka tigreeka ah, wax wuu burburin kara laakin, manhajkaaga waxba uu ma dhimi karo. The UN, and the west as a whole, have a lot more plans than just having a "peace" in somalia. Beesha caalamka ayaad amaantaan sidii ayagoo ah malaaik aduunka loo soo direy in eey islaaxiyaan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedSea Posted June 13, 2008 Accountability: the omitted piece from the peace deal We are expected to be cheering and welcoming the Djibouti breakthrough peace pact between the Somali Transitional Government and the Opposition Islamist groups. As usual; most of us will oblige and feel relief that the Somali factions once again for the 15th or 16th time reached another landmark peace deal. Ethiopian troops leaving Somalia is great news but would it turn out to be real? We got to wait for 120 days and hope so! Yet, the ambiguity of the article (7b of the pact) that calls for the withdrawal dampens the spirits. Maybe if the wording was bit different and straight, it would have made us all cheer for it and be optimistic. The vagueness of the article bodes gloomy interpretations later on. The conditions linked to the total and absolute withdrawal of the Ethiopian troops and when, how and who will fulfill these clauses as "TFG will act in accordance"; "the deployment of a sufficient number of UN Forces"; begs the question. Then there are other reasonable qualms one can raise. Who will guarantee Al-Shabaab to comply and cease the insurgency to liberate Somalia from the Ethiopian subjugation? What would happen if they don't cease the armed confrontation and hostilities? Within 30 days and keep it for 90 days? Would the insurgents stop their raids to takeover towns and villages throughout the country? Would the TFG headship be happy being confined to Villa Somalia, the ADC warehouse in Baidao? Even if, the moderates disassociate the hardliners, who would guarantee the insurgents won't attack the expected UN forces that would be deployed in Somalia? When and how these forces will be deployed? Would the UN and International Community carry out their pledge this time around and on time? But most importantly; what would this peace deal means to the average suffering Somali mother and child and to the ones whose loved ones perished under the brutal Ethiopian occupation? The Ethiopian troops would be leaving after they have killed thousands of innocent mothers and children, wounded thousands of innocent Somali civilians, destroyed and wiped out entire neighborhoods. The Ethiopians would leave unpunished for the war crimes they committed in Mogadishu. The Ethiopians would leave undefeated knowing that they pulled off remarkable feats: Crushing the Somali people in their own capital, reaching the coveted Indian Ocean and avenging the humiliation of the 1977 war. These are milestones for Meles Zenawi to be proud of. He will tell his returning military officers to hold their heads up and be proud of what they did in Mogadishu. Most of all, the Ethiopians would leave their warlord clients behind, in power, unpunished and protected by the UN multinational force that would be deployed. The peace deal means that Somali warlords and war criminals would not be held accountable and would be retaining positions of leadership under the next "inclusive and unity" government. Even so, with this peace deal, the average Somali mother and child would be expecting to be relieved of the indiscriminate shelling and human rights abuses. Possibly, they would come back to their destroyed homes and as resilient as they always have been lick their wounds and recover from the unimaginable horrors. But the humiliation and suffering would haunt them forever! Forget about accountability and justice. The relatives of the mothers and children who have been killed, wounded, displaced, starved, raped, massacred in their homes, in the markets and mosques, and blocked of food, medical and humanitarian assistance are told to forget and forgive all of that painful atrocities and welcome this peace deal. As for the international community that have not only complacently sanctioned the Ethiopian occupation but turned blind eye to the worst humanitarian violations in the past 18 months can now exonerate itself of the shame and complicity of the occupation by pushing this peace deal and "possibly" replacing the Ethiopians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Som@li Posted June 13, 2008 Nin meeli u Caday, Meeli ka madow. There is no pride left in Somalia,Somalis defeated themselves, and were killing themselves for 20 years now, Somalia has been dead for long, and you can only revive it if you use your head! Peace in Somalia has become a mystery, The world community are beginnig to question if Somalis can actually make a compromise and reconsile,the other day I was chatting with some Somalis with different opinions on the situation of Somalia, and to one of the guys who was against any peace deal in Djibouti,I asked him why? he said,Yeey degin , I was extremely dissapointed to see that at the expense of millions of Somalia, and while he and his family way from the danger, He prays and wishes for the killing and distruction to go on in South Somalia. This mentality is common among many Somalis in diaspora,who oppose to any peace deal. So is "Yeey Degin" really a solution? and can you make a peace with the devil (Not accept defeat but use diplomacy) so that you fight your war another day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar Posted June 13, 2008 Laaluushkii hore loogu soo qaatay naftirkiisa la isku qab qabsan jiray, ee Sacuudigaan goormee Soomaalida baran doonaan, mise they don't care waaye warkooda? Sh. Shariif iyo xirtiisa isku siyaasadda yihiin haddii iyagana baddaan laaluushdoonka ah ka qeybqaataan, oo kamid noqdaan siyaasi dhab ayuu noqon doonaa oo lagu yaqaanay waxaas, heybadii uu dadweynaha Soomaaliyeed u haayena meesha wey ka bixi doontaa. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites