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[Hunguri]

Originally posted by Rahima:

1. YES.

2. ABSOLUTELY YES.

3. Whilst I consider myself a Muslim, the munaafiqs and kaafirs would consider me an Islamist.

Thank you very much indeed. The Somali sister hit it in the head. And Mr Taliban dont try to take the advantage of her answer. What you meant is, " You guys are moderate Muslims" and you as Mr Taliban is "Islamist". That was your intention. So, explain what "Islamist" Is!!!!!

[Taliban]

Originally posted by Hunguri:

Where do you bring the word "Islamist" from????

I bring it from the language, English, in which we are discussing or debating. In English, a true Muslim who practices his/her Deen is called Islamist (Salafi, Wahhabi, iwm), and a Muslim who doesn't practice and violates the teachings of Islam is called moderate (liberal, progressive, iwm). Of course, we can discuss in Somali and not use those terms, but many members cannot read it, plus it will be unfair to the non-Somali members or visitors.

[Rahima]

Actually Hunguri i knew exactly what Taliban meant and i agree with him.

[Taliban]

[Hunguri]

Originally posted by Taliban:

I bring it from the language, English, in which we are discussing or debating. In English, a true Muslim who practices his/her Deen is called Islamist (Salafi, Wahhabi, iwm) [/QB]

Taliban, English is a language, which we communicate to understand each other. However, in relegion you have to be very clean from any kind of Western practice behavior. Now, you are telling me you got the word from the Dictionary, which I dont disagree with you. So, what makes you go for an English Dictionary. While you can easyly differentiate "Islam" and "Muslim". Now, the question rises here. Is there any one, is there any Muslim/Somali on earth, who deos n't understand what "Islam" and "Muslim" is ???? No, in advance the answer is in big capital letters "NO". Hence, correct your mistakes and dont fall into the trap of the Western propaganda. I know, you are trying to be smart and label ur self as an ICU virtual hardcore soldier. But, saxib that wont get us no where.

 

PS:-

 

When it comes to my relegion, which is "Furqan". I dont beleive an English Dictionary, that an English man wrote. Let us refer to the relegion, and the language of Arabic.

 

Once again Correct your post. And, put it in the right way.

 

 

ARE YOU A MUSLIM OR A MODERATE MUSLIM ???????

 

Answer, (YEAH YEAH YEAH WE ARE MUSLIMS AND WOULD DIE FOR OUR CAUSE )

[Hunguri]

Originally posted by Rahima:

Actually Hunguri i knew exactly what Taliban meant and i agree with him.

Rahima yeah sister, I value your thoughts and agreements. But, there are many members objecting his post regarding this issue. And, Im one of them. However, if you agree with him. You are not into my thoughts, and I need more from him! Thanks.

[Taliban]

Originally posted by Hunguri:

So, what makes you go for an English Dictionary. While you can easyly differentiate "Islam" and "Muslim".

You sound like Khalaf. You, I and others know we aren't differentiating "Islam" and "Muslim." We are differentiating the many types of Muslims. Like Muslims who collaborate with the enemy against other Muslims, Muslims who date, Muslims who drink beer, Muslims who eat non-Halal food, Muslims who observe Islamic teachings, Muslims who sacrifice their lives and money for the cause of Allah, Muslims who play lottery, Muslims who slander Islam, Muslims who obey half of Islam while rejecting the other half, iwm. Clearly, all those Muslims cannot be one type of Muslims. That's where the English language comes, identifying and labeling who's who. Even Islam and our own local languages identify and label different types of Muslims, like munaafiq Muslim, murtad Muslim, iwm.

[Khalaf]

Here is the message i wanted to stress when it comes to labeling muslims as Taliban does into isms:

 

The topic of my discussion today is about unity among Muslims. As we all know, Muslims are a very divided people. The existence of 57 Muslim nations instead of one bears witness to this unfortunate fact. We find all the excuses in the world to create division amongst ourselves.

We divide ourselves on according to race, sect, our pre-Islamic cultures, political opinions, ancestry and even on the imams we follow! Brothers and sisters, none of these excuses for separation are considered valid by Allah, and therefore we should not consider them valid either.

 

A good Muslim is one who is without denomination, faction, or any other special loyalty. The prophet (SAWS), in his final speech to the whole Ummah, said that between Muslims, there are no races or tribes. We have divided the Ummah which our nabi (SAWS) tried so hard to keep together. Allah warns us, in verse 105 of surah #3 not to allow ourselves to dissociate. The verse reads:

 

The approximate meaning in English is:

"And be not like those who are divided amongst themselves and fall into disputations after receiving clear signs: for them is a dreadful punishment in store".

 

Islam, being a flexible religion, allows for a variety of opinions and customs, as long as they do not contradict the religion. As mentioned,

religious disagreements between the so-called sects of Islam can be resolved by turning to the Quran, not by segregation.

The Quran is the book of guidance for ALL OF mankind. How can we convince anyone of this if we cannot even be united amongst ourselves! We are making a mockery of ourselves to non-muslims by refusing to follow the simple instructions of our own holy book! Allah's disapproval of disunity among Muslims is evident in verse 103 of surat Al-Imran:

 

The approximate meaning is:

And hold fast, all of you, to the rope of Allah, and do not separate. And remember Allah's favour unto you: how you were enemies and He made friendship between your hearts so that you became brothers by His grace: and how you were upon the brink of an abyss fire, and He did save you from it.

 

Thus, Allah maketh clear His revelations unto you that haply you may be guided.

 

The ayah refers to how the Meccans and Medinians were united by the grace of Allah. This example illustrates how Islam was, and should still be, a uniting force between Muslims despite any superficial differences which may exist between us. The ayah also tells us that the Quran contains very clear guidance. Given that, there is no reason why any two Muslims should not practice Islam the same way, the way Allah has instructed.

 

The most shameful division among Muslims is that of denomination; the major ones being sunni, sheea, and ismaeli. These are all artificial divisions which have absolutely nothing to do with Allahs revealed deen.

Who are we to cut up Allahs deen into little pieces, especially when Allah has forbidden us to do so?

This is a crime committed by nearly 1 billion Muslims. A study of the history of these sects reveals that they were created PURELY by political disagreements. Later, innovations in religion lead to religious differences. An honest study of the Quran easily reveals these innovations (which I will not mention for the time being, due to time constraints).

Nowhere in the Quran is there any mention of sunni, sheea, or ismaeli, and so we must make these terms alien to our vocabulary!

 

The Quran is very clear in this matter.

Allah has declared that sectarianism is Haram. As Muslims, we are prohibited even from involvement with people who restrict themselves to a so-called subdivision of Islam.

This point is mentioned in verse 159 of surah #6:

 

As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast NO PART IN THEM IN THE LEAST, their affair is with Allah, He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.

 

It is interesting to note that when Quran refers to those who will inhabit the jahannam, Allah often mentions that they will see the truth of all that they did or that they will receive just treatment for all that they used to do. These endings are never mentioned for those people who will enter Paradise. They are reserved especially for the sinners; those sinners who will be punished. So you be the judge: What do you think is in store for those people just described? Verses 27-28 of surah #45 of the Quran make this comparison too, but they also stress that on the Day of Judgment, followers of all sects will be in the same category. These verses read as follows:

 

...The Day that the Hour of Judgment is established, that day will the dealers in falsehood perish, and thou will see EVERY sect bowing the knee, every sect will be called to its record: This day shall ye be recompensed for all that ye did.

 

It is obvious that sinners are being described. Bowing the knee is a phrase used to describe the position of the wrongdoers on the Day of Judgment. In the example given,

the sinners are those people who claim loyalty to ANY so-called sect of Islam.

 

A Muslim is defined as one who follows the religion of Allah, Al-Islam. Divisions exist to separate differences.

If we divide ourselves, it is due either to some worldly difference between us or a difference in faith (as mentioned, neither is justifiable). A deliberate alteration of faith does not create a sect of Islam, it creates a distinct faith which the followers may claim to be a sect of Islam. Thus, there is a great danger involved in attributing oneself to one of the many so-called sects of Islam.

Loyalty is allowed only for Allah, His messenger, and to those people who claim loyalty to Allah and his Messenger (SAWS) (i.e. the Muslims). Those of us who declare loyalty to a specific sect had better beware; sect of Islam is a contradiction of terms. You can have one or the other, not both!

In accord with this, verse 32 of surah #30 of the Quran reads:

 

 

And be not like those who join gods with Allah, those who split up their religion and become (mere) sects, each party rejoicing in that which is with itself!

 

The words, "that which is with itself" refer to those differences which people use to justify their separation from Islam. Notice that polytheism, the greatest sin, is prohibited along side with division of religion. This pairing, like everything else in the Quran, is deliberate. It is meant to demonstrate the magnitude of this crime.

 

All of us must refuse to attribute ourselves to any of the man made divisions of Islam. If anyone asks you if you are Sunni, or Sheea, tell them that you are a Muslim, who believes in the seven beliefs, and practices the five pillars. Tell them that you strive to live according to the way Allah has instructed in the Quran.

 

Take a moment to reflect upon these questions: To what sect did Mohammed (SAWS) belong to? Whose example was the best example of how a Muslim should live his/her life? If the prophet (SAWS) were alive today, what would his opinion be on this subject? Should we, being followers of Islam, not try to keep our opinion consistent with the prophets (SAWS)? How can a non-Muslim be attracted to Islam knowing that there are so many versions of it, and if a non-Muslim decides to embrace Islam, wouldn't his/her joining of a sect ruin such a beautiful decision?

During the time of our beloved prophet (SAWS), Muslims called themselves just that, Muslims. Nobody was a Sheea, or a Bohra, or an Ahmedi, or a Sunni, or an Ismaeli, or a Qadiani or a Duruz, or a Bahai, or an Ansarullah, or anything.

All Muslims were equal. Everyone proudly proclaimed the Shahada:

 

Ash-hadu Allaa ilaaha ill-Allahu WaHdahu laa shareeka lah,

wa Ash-hadu Anna MuHammadan abduhu wa rasooluh!

 

I now call upon all of you to immediately renounce any special religious loyalty which you may posses. For the love of Allah, the one who created you and blessed you with his deen, forget that you belong to any group and be proud that you are Muslim. And renouncing the sect is not enough if we continue to practice Islam with our differences. We must investigate what caused the formation of the sect and what characteristics of the sect are incompatible with Islam. We must seek knowledge of our religion in order to practice it as perfectly as we are capable. It is obvious that anyone who belongs to a sect and claims to be Muslim believes that their sect represents true Islam. I have two things to say to that. First of all, merely labeling oneself as one kind of Muslim or another is Haram as it is division in the most direct sense. Secondly, look up the date the Islam was revealed and then look up the date that your sect of the religion was born. After finding that they are not equal, dont even dare to claim that your sect is true Islam. That would be an insult to the Rasoolullah (SAWS).

 

As a final reminder, I will introduce another quote from the Holy Quran that again points to the fact that unity among Muslims is an indispensable, fundamental part of Islam:

 

The approximate meaning is:

"Verily, you are one Ummah. I am your Lord, worship me"

 

source

[Taliban]

Originally posted by Khalaf:

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I checked your source and the article you copy-pasted. Your article doesn't state who read/wrote the Khutba; that's weird. As far as everyone knows, the article could have been written by a Shia, Qur'an-aloner, Ismaili, iwm. Until you provide the name of the person who read/wrote the Khutba, I cannot comment on your copy-pasted article.

 

The other thing, the front page of the link you provided appears suspicious:

 

http://www.witness-pioneer.org/

[Xoogsade]

^ War waqtiga ha isaga lumin munaafiqiintaan A/Y taageersan. You give them credit when you try to discuss islam with them. A muslim doesn't justify the massacre of other muslims by nonmuslims. They have no filial connection nor a cultural one to other somalis who oppose the xabashi troops. They value and love more the nonmuslim than their own blood. The blood drips from their mouth and you talk to them about islam. Come on saxib, think before you waste your precious time on the worthless.

[Taliban]

Originally posted by Xoogsade:

Come on saxib, think before you waste your precious time on the worthless.

I will head you advice, saxib. Mahadsanid.

[Hunguri]

Xoogsade, you dont worth my debate. For, I can see its you who has red lipps and sucks the blood of the Civilians as a Vimpire every night. Mr Taliban, Abdillahi Yusuf is not in the thread. And, Xoogsade will not rescue you from the severe mistakes and errors that you do in your posts. Remember, its about relegion. Take your question to a Mufti. And, simply ask him. Can I ask some1!!!!

 

ARE YOU AN ISLAMIST OR A MODERATE MUSLIM????

 

Subhan Allah. Goormaa xaqqii iyo diintiina qabyaaladi gashay?? This will be your quote ever, untill you say its a "Mistake"... Soon, if you dont answer. I will email to Dr Yuusuf Alqardawi, and will post the clear answer in public. (Insha Allah)

[Rahima]

^Dude you're not getting it, let it go.

[Captain Xalane]

Hunguri,why trouble urself bro.Dad masaakinta inta ku dhax dhuuntan and throw mortars and then run away wax ee diin ka ogyihin maleh and Taliban is no representative of faith whatsoever.Arguing or listening to a person who claims that such acts are noble ways of resistance,is in itself a wicked trend on our part.

 

P.s.Good to see Adeerkis,hope all is well on ur end.

[Xoogsade]

Originally posted by Hunguri:

Xoogsade, you dont worth my debate.

 

I wonder why the emotional outburst all of a sudden as if you were someone with bent up frustration waiting for an opportunity to vent.

 

I wasn't counting you among the bigots who support the murder, the rape, the massacre of muslims in Muqdisho by the Xabashis and who quote the quran without shame pretending they have faith in it when they obviously contradict its teachings and show zero respect for it.

 

It is useless to discuss islam with these sorts of individuals. That is my point to Taliban.

 

You have got issues runtii replying like that. I give you the benefit of the doubt since I wrote in the general previously in reference to A/Y supporters and didn't specify anyone.

 

I am not interested in debates as well.