Taliban-II?

[Didi Kong]

Originally posted by Rahima:

A friend of mine told me the other day that she had encountered older SOMALI women who were making duca that Ethiopia and America take over Somalia instead of the courts.

 

Cajiib walaahi.

What a dirty vermin! This type need to be finish off by Sheikh Calasow himself. lol. I'm sorry if I'm not 2 familiar with the names. But in all seriousness tho Somalis need to learn to trust each other and stop being each other enemy like the point said. Because realistically they are each other enemy.

[me]

Originally posted by Rahima:

^ She was even more amazed, since they're hearts were bleeding for the poor lebanese Muslims.

 

So they care for the Lebanese, but not their own :rolleyes: .

 

Somalis will forever be pitiful losers.

Come on Rahima, when will you ever learn. Whydo you have to generalize all Somalis?

 

Why are you associating all things bad with Somalis, but when Somalis do good thingsyou never say. 'Somalis kick majot a$$'

 

Rahima, you are a trcky one, but you get what I am saying

 

Associating bad things with 'Somalia' or the 'Somalis' won't solve anything, it will actually make people feel even more demoralized about their race.

 

So in the future talk about the person alone without dragging a whole nation through the mud for the actions of one individual.

 

Thank you

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

DS, I think you should perform "Shariah implementation" on yourself. Faith is a personal believe and can not be forced on to others. What religion you believe in and how you interpet its teachings is a personal thing. Even the relgion you profess to follow tells you so when it says that there is no compulsion in religion. also, your arrognace, to speak for a ten million Somalis, can only be attrubited to ignorence. Contrary to what you say, must Somalis do not want Sharia. I have already noted the documented cultural, traditional and historical reasons why things are not as you say but to further prove it to you, let me say that if most Somalis wanted Shariah, there would be no need to "implement" it. If individauls do not want it enough to "

implement" on themselves, how they demand it of others?

 

also, this is what heathen means:

hea·then (hē'THən) pronunciation

n., pl. -thens or heathen.

 

1. Offensive.

1. One who adheres to the religion of a people or nation that does not acknowledge the God of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.

2. Such persons considered as a group; the unconverted.

2.

1. One who is regarded as irreligious, uncivilized, or unenlightened.

2. Such persons considered as a group.

 

Considering this, extrimist, like you, would be the heathons for being uncivilized and unenlightened under the second defination of the word where secularist, like me, would not be considered so because we do acknowledge the "god of Judaism, christianity and islam. we just do not believe that fools should interpret the wishs of that god for us and that his teachings should be implemented at a personal rather than sociatal level.

[RedSea]

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed:

walaalayal, why can't we focus. It is obvous to all but the blind that the maxaakims policies of chopping the limbs of people, beating the people who sing at widdings, shooting those who watch games, cut the hair of those the deem to have western hairstyles, calling for the death of those who do not pray five times a day among other things, is in line with what the talibans have done. Further more, call them clans or ethinc groups, such divisions do exist among both sociaties. Like xamas, hizbullah and particularly the taliban, these maxaakims hide their agenda of islamic extrimism under social assistance and the uprooting of people like the warlords of Somalia. Like, the taliban,these courts will reviel their true agenda more and more power. Of all things we have to deal with, do we need this in Somalia? Contrary to all the seeflabood in here, Somalis have practiced a pacifist form of islam. They are naturally democartic, so much so that our nations was called a pastoral democracy, africas first democrats, a nation of feirce republicans and the irish of africa for our love of independence. We were a nation that was naturally secular in that men were either wadaad or waranle (All other men). for a such a nation, is it not foolish to further destroy our democratic and secular traditions (proven to work best in all sociaties) and follow in the foot steps of people like the taliban?

NN, if you have fallen for that crap that the courts cut off the limbs without reasonable cause or they shoot people who sing at weddings or shoot those who are watching game on TV, all these are fake accusations, so it's only waste of breath for to put that nonsense out there since no one will believe or see things through the same and fanstansy lenses in which you see things with,so keep desperatly crying out loud of the success of the courts. I am sure, you haven't given much attention to the killings of his own inlaws by Abdullahi Yusuf, yet you support him as being a "leader" in legitimate "government". Now that is true and known to those who know few things about Abdullahi Yusuf and what kind of individual he is.

 

Democracy is a man made law, and expectenly with quite few errors, but I prefer Islam, God made law and perfect one.

 

Furthermore, I am sadden that someone like you bears the name of 'Nugaal', it seems that you are composing arguments for the sake of just ticking people, so I advice to restraint yourself from this akward way of addresing people and return to your old form.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

^^^ you refute the validity of widely reported, photographed and barbaric actions that these courts do not bother to hide, infact boost about, and continue with your baseless accusations about the president.

[RedSea]

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed:

^^^ you refute the validity of widely reported, photographed and barbaric actions that these courts do not bother to hide, infact boost about, and continue with your baseless accusations about the president.

Mr. Naxar, the people's limbs were cut off because they stole, in which you failed to mention when you accuse them of cuting off the people's hands without any reason, the fact there was a reason to cut their hands off and it's totally in line with the Islamic teachings, but since you seem to be labeling those who practice the law as "extremists", then what is the point of proving anything to you? you are completely in dark fellow, you need to read the Quran and find Suratu Nur and read it, if you don't know then ask those who know, that is only fair. Either teach or be the recipient of knowledge fadlan.

 

I am still waiting a prove of the things about people being killed at weddings and while they were viewing a game. Unless ofcourse you find an article posted on reerhebelnews/benaale.com by some one such as yourself. So if you don't bring the proofs that I expect of you, then do us all favor by not vomiting on this forum again.

[Caana Nuug]

NN,

 

Your attempt at demonizing & villifying the UIC is laughable. Accusations like they shot at people watching the world cup, they ban movies & music, etc are baseless propaganda. There is absolutely no evidence to support your accusations.

 

You should know by now not to trust everything you hear or read on the internet.

 

The UIC shares nothing in common with the taliban, except for the fact they are both Muslims.

 

You call yourself a "secularist", but if you truly are a Muslim, you will know that there is no separation between Islam & governance.

 

When the Muslims first set up camp in Medina, they did not say "Wait, let's govern using our own made up laws." Rather they implemented Sharia law as ordained by Allah & did so with the purpose of showing future generations of Muslims to use Islam to govern themselves.

 

Anyone who rejects any part of Islam or opts for something other than Islam to govern is drifting away from Islam and to apostasy.

 

“And when he learns something of Our Verses (this Qur’aan), he makes them a jest. For such there will be a humiliating torment."

 

[al-Jaathiyah 45:9]

 

“And so judge between them by what Allaah has revealed . . .†[aayah 49]

 

“. . . and who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith?†[aayah 50]

 

“. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the kaafiroon.†[aayah 44]

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

MOGADISHU, July 5 (Reuters) - Somali Islamist militia shot dead two people demanding to watch the World Cup semi-final, witnesses said on Wednesday, in the latest sign of a hardline religious edge to the newly powerful movement.

 

Four others were wounded in the fracas outside a cinema.

 

The Islamists, who kicked U.S.-backed warlords out of Mogadishu then took control of a large swathe of southern Somalia last month, initially sought to project a moderate image but have been increasingly showing a more radical side.

 

Tuesday night's shooting came when militiamen in the central town of Dusa Mareb -- the home area of the Islamists' hardline leader Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys -- shut a cinema showing the Germany-Italy semi-final, inhabitants told Reuters.

 

"They stood in front of the cinema and told the cinema to shut down quickly," resident Muhubo Warsame said by phone.

 

When the mainly young audience began a demonstration outside, the gunmen first shot into the air, but their bullets also killed two and wounded four others, the witnesses said. The fatalities were the cinema owner and a young girl.

 

"Islam does not accept killing an innocent person without reason," Elmi Abdullahi, a local elder, told Reuters.

 

"We support the Islamic courts, yet our children are dying without reason," added another elder, who asked not to be named.

 

There have been numerous other reports of militia from the Islamic sharia courts -- out of which the movement grew -- stopping viewings of the World Cup, provoking public protests.

 

Islamist leaders say that is not their policy, but rather the work of over-zealous militiamen.

 

The Islamist militia see World Cup gatherings as a potential magnet for vices like rowdiness or chewing of the popular and mildly narcotic qat leaf.

 

Prior to the takeover of Mogadishu, Islamist militia had also been cracking down on pornographic films.

 

AID CONVOY IN FRACAS

 

Somalis, who initially welcomed the relative pacification of Mogadishu and other areas by the Islamists, are becoming disillusioned with some of their practices and nervous of a Taliban-style rule. Somalis are mostly moderate Muslims.

 

On a recent visit to Mogadishu, various locals complained to Reuters of militia forcibly chopping long hair, making women cover their faces and whipping people for watching soccer.

 

The sheikhs at the forefront of the movement say they have no foreign model and their priority is to bring law and order to the Horn of Africa nation, which has been without central rule since warlords ousted a military dictator in 1991.

 

But Aweys also wants to see government based on Islamic law.

 

That puts the Islamists at odds with the weak interim government -- based in the provincial town of Baidoa -- which is backed by the West and was founded on a secular charter.

 

A delegation from the African Union (AU) and east African inter-governmental peace body IGAD was visiting Baidoa on Wednesday in the latest effort by the international community to come to terms with Somalia's power-shift.

 

While many hoped the Islamists and government could reach a power-sharing accord, they now fear armed confrontation.

 

Underlining the insecurity throughout Somalia, the U.N. World Food Programme (WFP) said a convoy carrying food aid from Kenya was attacked during a tribal conflict in the south.

 

WFP spokesman Peter Smerdon said its transport sub-contractors had given varying accounts of some casualties, but details had not been confirmed. (Additional reporting by Guled Mohamed, Jack Kimball and Andrew Cawthorne in Nairobi)

does thath help caano?

[Rahima]

The point,

 

I know why.

 

Me,

 

War face it will ya, Somalis are sick losers (and of course I’m generalising, we all do, for God sake there are good people like moi).

 

So in the future talk about the person alone without dragging a whole nation through the mud for the actions of one individual.

One individual? You actually think that the problems of our people are on the shoulders of one or a small group of people?

[me]

Rahima, stop hating on a whole nation, it makes you look worse then you are

 

Come on look, you don't catch a fly with vinegar so stop being so sour and acidic!

 

Give loving Somalis a chance, this hate thing is not working for you I see (although its satisfying)

[RedSea]

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed:

quote: MOGADISHU, July 5 (Reuters) - Somali Islamist militia shot dead two people demanding to watch the World Cup semi-final, witnesses said on Wednesday, in the latest sign of a hardline religious edge to the newly powerful movement.

 

Four others were wounded in the fracas outside a cinema.

 

The Islamists, who kicked U.S.-backed warlords out of Mogadishu then took control of a large swathe of southern Somalia last month, initially sought to project a moderate image but have been increasingly showing a more radical side.

 

Tuesday night's shooting came when militiamen in the central town of Dusa Mareb -- the home area of the Islamists' hardline leader Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys -- shut a cinema showing the Germany-Italy semi-final, inhabitants told Reuters.

 

"They stood in front of the cinema and told the cinema to shut down quickly," resident Muhubo Warsame said by phone.

 

When the mainly young audience began a demonstration outside, the gunmen first shot into the air, but their bullets also killed two and wounded four others, the witnesses said. The fatalities were the cinema owner and a young girl.

 

"Islam does not accept killing an innocent person without reason," Elmi Abdullahi, a local elder, told Reuters.

 

"We support the Islamic courts, yet our children are dying without reason," added another elder, who asked not to be named.

 

There have been numerous other reports of militia from the Islamic sharia courts -- out of which the movement grew -- stopping viewings of the World Cup, provoking public protests.

 

Islamist leaders say that is not their policy, but rather the work of over-zealous militiamen.

 

The Islamist militia see World Cup gatherings as a potential magnet for vices like rowdiness or chewing of the popular and mildly narcotic qat leaf.

 

Prior to the takeover of Mogadishu, Islamist militia had also been cracking down on pornographic films.

 

AID CONVOY IN FRACAS

 

Somalis, who initially welcomed the relative pacification of Mogadishu and other areas by the Islamists, are becoming disillusioned with some of their practices and nervous of a Taliban-style rule. Somalis are mostly moderate Muslims.

 

On a recent visit to Mogadishu, various locals complained to Reuters of militia forcibly chopping long hair, making women cover their faces and whipping people for watching soccer.

 

The sheikhs at the forefront of the movement say they have no foreign model and their priority is to bring law and order to the Horn of Africa nation, which has been without central rule since warlords ousted a military dictator in 1991.

 

But Aweys also wants to see government based on Islamic law.

 

That puts the Islamists at odds with the weak interim government -- based in the provincial town of Baidoa -- which is backed by the West and was founded on a secular charter.

 

A delegation from the African Union (AU) and east African inter-governmental peace body IGAD was visiting Baidoa on Wednesday in the latest effort by the international community to come to terms with Somalia's power-shift.

 

While many hoped the Islamists and government could reach a power-sharing accord, they now fear armed confrontation.

 

Underlining the insecurity throughout Somalia, the U.N. World Food Programme (WFP) said a convoy carrying food aid from Kenya was attacked during a tribal conflict in the south.

 

WFP spokesman Peter Smerdon said its transport sub-contractors had given varying accounts of some casualties, but details had not been confirmed. (Additional reporting by Guled Mohamed, Jack Kimball and Andrew Cawthorne in Nairobi)

does thath help caano?

LOL. Mr. Naxar is that the best you can do my dear friend, Reuters? Sorry friend, this article is invalid.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

how so red sea? it was reported everywhere. this report is valid and if I may add what has happened sense then, some people in the courts realized that this could be damaging and guess what they did? they excuted the two people who do this. does this make any sense to you, first give orders and then kill the people who carried out the order.

[Dhubad.]

Mr. Red Sear, Arguing with this guyz is pointless, it is better if you say to him salaam "Wa idaa khaadhabahumul jaahiluun, qaaluu saalmun".