N.O.R.F Posted November 7, 2003 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3248119.stm Do what we say, when we say, how we say, at this price, for these ppl, for this length of time, join OPEC, let us control everything under the umbrella of democracy and freedom. BUT YOU AINT FREE! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thinkerman Posted November 7, 2003 President George W Bush has deplored the "freedom deficit" in the Middle East and said the United States must remain focused on the region "for decades". I think that first paragraph says it all, if the Muslim dont revolt out there in middle east then they will only have themselves to blame in years to come. But some governments in the region were "beginning to see the need for change", he said, citing Morocco, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman and Yemen Just look at some of the countries he praises, they all, although being relatively peacefull, are exacty the kind of countries that could continue on there currnet trend of Westerniaztion. I think the educated, proffessional, and Lay people of these arabian gulf regions must press for change now, and try to prempt america's, with an alternative Islamic system of governance that is more accountable and free from corruption and Puppetry regimes. This can be acheived peacefully of tha am sure. There needs to be a strong counter argument of an Academic nature made to The Neo-cons Vision for a 'New world order', which is not far now from being successfully implanted in the region. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaabir Posted November 7, 2003 Reer UK... Saxibayaal anka reer US aa rabtiin in aa baxar na galisaan miaa.. dad aan idin la xaman karo no keena ama sheekada naga xira... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zakariye Posted November 8, 2003 s/alykum very intersting, wallahi, if Bush's(Dump) wishes became true , this is what is going to happen to the Arab world. 1-Democracy in Saudi Arabia , will mean get a visa or a tour permission from State Dept , if you want go to Haj or Pilgirmage. 2-Damn make free all the Arab ladies, to dance for you a "Belly dance" in the cofee shop. 3-??????????????? figure it out c/salam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muhammad Posted November 14, 2003 But Although They Plan Allah also Plans. And Allah Is the Best of Planners. [Noble Qur'an 8:30] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thinkerman Posted November 14, 2003 Indeed, thx for the posting the reminder to us all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thinkerman Posted November 28, 2003 Intreatsing article ------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Seale: Has the Bush administration declared war on Islam? | | 28-11-2003 Print friendly format | Email to Friend On more than one occasion since the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, President George W. Bush has denied his "war on terror" is aimed at Islam. He has visited mosques, invited Muslim leaders to the White House and praised Islam as a religion of peace. But few Muslims are convinced of his sincerity or goodwill. This is because many contrary indications suggest that Bush, and more particularly the neo-conservatives now setting the pace in Washington, conceive of their struggle as a global conflict between the forces of "democracy" and the "enemies of freedom", between "civilisation" and "barbarism", between the West and Islam. The question must be posed: Are the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and the world-wide terrorist manhunts, no more than the early skirmishes of a prolonged war between the world's only superpower and the world's fastest-growing religion? Bush has hinted the war could last a generation, like the religious wars of past centuries and that victory might take "one day, one month, one year, or one decade." Echoing his messianic rhetoric, Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair has vowed to "finish the job", however long it takes. Between the two of them, we seem to be promised war without end. No one doubts the United States is the most powerful country in history. Bush has signed the 2004 military budget of over $400 billion, greater than the combined military budgets of all other major powers. The $87 billion recently approved for US military operations and reconstruction in Afghanistan and Iraq is an additional item! America's "global military footprint" dwarfs that of every earlier empire, including the British Empire at its peak. Thousands of US troops, supported by formidable air forces and navies, armed with strategic and tactical nuclear weapons, and the latest conventional weapons, are stationed at major bases in 35 foreign countries. Unequalled military power Living in the shadow of this colossus, it is only fair to ask how the US intends to use its unequalled military power. For people worried about the spreading violence and disorder in the world, it is today's most important question. The short answer is that the US intends to impose its will by force, by coercion, rather than by persuasion or mutual accommodation. Over recent years, a few things have become clear about American objectives which can be summarised by saying that in the ongoing Washington power struggle, the Pentagon has triumphed over both the State Department and the Treasury. America's militaristic and unilateralist foreign policy has been set by Pentagon hawks, aided by their friends in the Vice-President's office and in the National Security Council, and cheered on by Washington's myriad right-wing, pro-Israeli think-tanks. Moderate voices have been silenced, swept aside or been forced to toe the line. What then are the main aims of Bush's foreign and security policy? It is evident the US wants to use its power to achieve global dominance, and to retain it for the future. It has declared it intends to prevent the emergence of any rival. It wants a "unipolar" world order dominated by itself, rather than the "multipolar" world countries such as France, Germany, Russia and China prefer, where compromise and accommodation is necessary. From this perspective, America's "war on terror" seems little more than a cover for its avowed intention of global dominance. It is a conclusion drawn from the fact that countries targeted for American hostility are chosen not because they sponsor terror but because they refuse to acquiesce. The members of Bush's "axis of evil" – Iraq, Iran and North Korea – have no connection with the September 11 attacks or Al Qaida. The message from Washington, therefore, is that states that fail to acknowledge American hegemony risk pressure, destruction or "regime change". Their equality with other states, their sovereignty, are no longer recognised. Another pillar of Bush's security doctrine is the unilateral use of force for its benefit. The US has gone beyond that by claiming the right to launch pre-emptive wars against potential threats, illustrated by its war against Iraq. The policies of deterrence and containment are dismissed as inadequate and outdated. A number of disturbing conclusions spring from this posture. It marks the end of "balance of power" politics which kept the peace and held aggressive states in check. The US feels free to act as it pleases. International order is thus characterised by a profound disequilibrium. Moreover, as the US dispenses with consent from the international community, international law is repudiated. It is a law of history, however, that any attempt by a state to impose its hegemony inevitably breeds resistance, whether from other states, from non-state actors or private citizens. Resistance to America's global dominance has emerged and takes different forms. There is, for example, the grassroots worldwide anti-war movement which, during Bush's visit to London, brought thousands of people onto the streets. There is diplomatic resistance from countries like France, Germany and Russia, usually manifested in international fora like the UN Security Council. But perhaps the most striking resistance of all lies in the widespread anger at American policies in the Arab and Muslim world, of which the terrorism of Al Qaida and other Islamic groups is the most violent expression. The battle against these militants is now engaged and is becoming increasingly bloody, plunging countries into cycles of violence. Stabilise the situation The paradox is that instead of using military force and coercion against Muslim states and Islamic militants, the US might be better advised to mobilise them to stabilise the situation. Iran and Syria have a role to play in resolving the crisis in Iraq, but there is no sign the US is ready to seek their aid rather than threaten them. In Lebanon, Hizballah is an essential and permanent actor on the political scene, a fact that will not be altered by designating it a terrorist organisation (because of its success in containing Israel). If Washington hopes to stabilise the situation in Iraq before the presidential election, it must seek the active co-operation of the Shia clerics of Najaf, and give them a greater role. In the Palestinian territories, it is pointless and counter-productive to demonise and destroy movements such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad. On the contrary, they will need to be brought into a unified and more legitimate Palestinian leadership before any durable deal with Israel can be contemplated. In all these theatres of conflict, US policy is extraordinarily perverse, confirming most Muslims belief that Bush is waging war against Islam. America should be warned: it is not a conflict it can hope to win. Patrick Seale is an eminent commentator and the author of several books on Middle East affairs. He can be contacted at: pseale@gulfnews.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hukri Posted November 28, 2003 First of all bush has no life second of all he's doing this just so he can be remembered and put down in some history book sometime in the future, and after all he only has two more years to go. And then there is the fact that who cared that much about the arab countries before sep 11 I mean since then as soon as someone that has anything to do with islam does something they put the entire religion on trial :mad: I absolutly despise bush cuz he's not doing anything to benefit the US but he's doing everything out of personal gain. If he's preforming all of these "premptive wars" how come he hasn't attacked north korea yet? I mean they're not hiding the fact that they've got plenty of nuclear weapons and aren't affraid to use them! And then he says that when the US invaded iraq he liberated so and so many people, yet again people in north korea do have it worse, people wake up to and go to sleep to the sound blasted from speakers that their leader is the greatest, and plenty of kids are suffering and need to be helped, where do we have the so called saviours of the world USA now? I mean have you seen the streets of north korea?...you can barely see people there and....aaah just too mad now...I think I'll end it there before I start going over hand and use inappropriate language! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thinkerman Posted November 30, 2003 Interesting Article on this issue. Iraq's Shiites Insist on Democracy. Washington Cringes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites