What on Earth was Jen. Cade Muse thinking?

[RedSea]

Assalamu Calaykum,

 

Many poeple are going around asking this very question on why someone who calls himself a leader of a state would make such a offensive comments that were offensive to his state citizens. I for one don't understand as to why he said it since it takes something like this to trigger a whole tribe. Anyways he said it and the citizens of Sanag and some parts of Sool aren't really happy right now with Cade Muse.

 

One more thing that also deserves to be mentioned is that Cade Muse was also protested against when he went to Las Anod few days ago for mix reasons regarding the oil and the passing away of the Garaad. He was stoned thrown, because he was probably late or something with that effect.

 

Here is the full report from www.WidhWidh.com

 

Cadde Muuse Oo aflagaadeyey Beesha ********** iyo ***********

 

(Garoowe}28.02-06

 

 

Warar lagu kalsoon yahay ayaa kasoo baxay Garoowe, Caasimada dowlad Goboleedka Puntland, wararkaasi waxay sheegayaan in maanta Buuq uu ka dheshay Magaaladaas kadib markii Madaxweyne Cade Muuse uu aflagaado cad uu ku aflagaadeeyey Beelaha Dega Sanaag iyo Sool, waliba uu hadalku uu yiri oo aanu si toos ah u qoreeno "******** aqoon yahankiisa dibada jooga......

 

waxa uu u shaqeeya Somaliland, Patrol iyo macdan Ceelaayo iyo Laasqoray bay ka buuxaan, dadkiisa gudaha gobolada ku hadhayna CAWSKEY CUNAAN", waa sida uu hadalka Cade u yiri e.

 

Hadalkaas Cade waxa uu kasoo yeeray marka wax laga waydiiyey Xaaladaha Gobolada Sool iyo Sanaag, kadib hadalkaa waxaa dhashay buuq aad u weyn oo gacmo la isula tegey oo la sigey Cade oo dad badani oo meesha joogey, kana mid ahaa wasiiradii uu soo magcawday, barlamaankii iyo odayaal dhaqmeedyo laga casumay goobta.

 

Hadalkan oo hubaal ah inuu cade kasoo yeeray ayaa noqoneysa mid dhib culus ka dhalisay beesha ******** iyo Beesha ********** oo ilaa iyo intii 1988 ee dagaaladii Waqooyi Galbeed ee soo gaadhay Magaalooyinka Ceerigaabo, Carmale, iyo Xingalool ka danbeesay aysan xiriirkoodu fiicneyn kadib markii lagu tuhmay in Beesha ********** ay hub ka dejiyeen Magaalada Xeebta ah ee Maydh oo hubkaas Gacanta u geliyeen Jabhadii Beesha ***** ama SNM oo markaa kusoo duushey degaano aysan u dhalan.

 

Warar kale oo kasoo baxaaya Magaalada Qardho ayaa sheegaaya in wali magtii ninkii lagu dilay aga gaarka Baraagta Qol aan wali wax go'aan ah laga gaarin, wararkuna waxay intaa ku darayaan in arinkaas ay beesh ******* ******* ka caga jiideyso.

 

Isla arimahan kacsan warar la xiriira ayaa waxay sheegayaan in Magaalada Dhahar ay kacsan tahay oo ciidamo badani halkaa isku urursadeen oo odayaal dhaqmeed ay hortaagan yihiin sidii ciidamadaa aan loo siideyn, kuwaas oo doonayaa inay dagaalo iyo mashaqooyin aan loo baahneyn ka dhaliya Galbeedka Gobolka Bari ama aga gaarka Magaalada Boosaaso, oo halkaas labo nin oo Beesha ********* u dhashay lagu dilay maalintii shaleyto

 

Wararka isu soo duub oo waxaad moodaa in xaalad cakiran ay ka dhalatay Gobolka Sanaag iyo Bari, taas oo maalmahan soo noq noqoneysay kadib markay dad u dhashay Beesha ******* ******** ay dhuxul iyo geed jarid ka bilaabeen deegaano aysan u dhalan .

 

Waxaana hubaal ah inuu arinkan kaciyey hadaladii kasoo yeeray Cade Muuse oo markii la dooranayey ku wareegaayey Degmooyinka Gobolka Sanaag, maantan isagoo masuul ah aflagaado Beel dhan u geystey.

 

Si doonta xaalku ha noqdee, waxaa jira shirar is daba joog ah oo ka soconaya Magaalada Garoowe oo ay Wasiiro iyo xildhinaano u dhashay Beesha ********* ay go'aan kaga soo saarayaan arintaa Maanta dhacday, waxayna Berito hadii rabi idmo la balan san yihiin odayaasha beesha ********** oo jawaab la siinayo, Waxayna u badan tahay in xildhibaanada Beesha ********* ay ka baxaan Baarlamaanka Puntland, waa sida uu warku nagu soo gaarayo e oo halkaas ay ku dhamaato ka mid ahaanshihii beesha ******** dowladii bah wadaagta ee Puntland.

 

Isla caawo oo aanu la xiriirney Magaalada Badhan ayaa waxaa noola xaqiijiyey in dadweynuhu ay aad u kacsan yihiin iyagoo aan markaa la sheegin inuu gaarey aflagaadadii Cade Muuse kasoo yeedhey.

 

Dhinaca Macdantii oo isla Maanta Cade afka ku dhiftay ayaa waxaa Magaalada Boosaaso naga soo gaarey warar kasoo baxay ilo lagu kalsoon yahay oo sheegeya in Suldaan Cartan iyo ciidamo uu wato ay galeen aaga loo yaqaan Majahan oo ah xaruntii oo markii horeba uu ku sugnaa Suldaanku oo ah meesha la rabo in macdan laga baaro, Waxayna wararku ku darayaan intaas in warar aan la hubin la isla dhexmarayo oo sheegaya in Dowlada Puntland ay warqad u dirtey Maraakiibta Ilaalada Xeebaha Somalia ee Mareekanka,

 

warqadaas oo la leeyahay in ay ku xusan tahay in Ciidama uu Suldaan Cartan uu wato ay yihiin argigixiso oo sidaa la rabo in Ciidamada Mareekanka lagu marin habaabiyo, Hadii ay wararkani dhaboobaana waxaa laga yaaba in dagaalo aan loo baahneyn ay ka bilowdaan ***** dhexdiis oo aad moodid in qarka loo saaran yahay.

 

Warkan waxaan kasoo xiganay

 

Laasqoray.net

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Qabiilka magacaabistiis ka aayar, baliis.

 

[ March 01, 2006, 01:43: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

[NASSIR]

Red Sea, Adde is right 100% for what he said.

 

 

His vitriolic remarks shouldn't have the weight of responsibilities because giving a clannist leader a listening ear of what he says would only put more weight on his statement and might exacerbate the situation.

 

 

It should be ignored and i am sure many of the people who hail from Sanaag would ignore him.

[SOO MAAL]

Salaamu Calaykum

Bro Red Sea

 

If we look at the context of the matter objectively Cadde is right, the people of Sool Sanaag and Cayn suffering the most acute brain drain in all of Somalia regions, not a single prominent figure from SSC live in the SSC regions, and all professionals from walks of life reside in the regions as well like doctors, engineers etc while northwest (Somaliland) and northeast (Bari) benefit from relative peace and development because of their educated elite vigorous hard work, Cadde himself is a prime example where he sacrificed a luxurious life in Canada to serve his country in supposedly. While Ali Khalif (former prime minister) in United States , Mohamed Hashishi in Nairobi and Qaybe in Hargeysa are unwilling even to pay a visit to their home-region, forget about living and serving their home regions.

 

Of course, I agree with you Cadde should not have used tribal names to identify the weakness of SSC, because he could have used a region/city name.

 

Nonetheless, Cadde harsh comments were valid and true.

[Sophist]

Having met with our el-presidente; I was not shocked to hear such remarks but I was indeed dismayed that he will share his melovelent private thoughts with the puplic.

 

Hadii reer Puntland eyna iska qabanin dib usocodka qaar ka mid ah hogaanka dalka; walee meel dheer ayaa laga dooni dooni doonaa nidaankan aynu sameyney.

[Sayyid]

As-salaamu calaykum Dhamaan dadka gaar ahaan walaalkey Red sea!

 

Walaal waad ku mahadsantahay runahantiina caqligaaga ayaad ka hadashay.

 

Tan kale waa arrin layaab ah waxaad maanta laso shir tagtay, oo waxaan ku malaynayeey nin wadaad ah ee dadka kala qariya, laakiinse wax kale ayaad itustay.

 

Cala kuli xaal, akhi I only say this to you, which is that there is a soomaali proverb, which means something along the line "Don't try to get in between (advantage) two brothers because at the end of the day, it is you who will loose out because brothers will always be brothers.

 

Tan kale nimanka aad sheegeesid waa dad walaalahay ah, oo waxaanu nahay isku bah (hooyo) iyo waliba isku aabo, anagay nala (kamid)yahiin kana tirsanyahiin, oo dadka kale ayaan iska xigana. I am not applying in any way, that what he said was right but I hope you get the message I am trying to tell you!

 

For example hadeey "habro" is diriraan oo aan anigu dhex galno si aan lilaahi ahayn oo isku dira ku jidha, aakhirkana markay "habraha" ay heshiiyaniin, soo meel cidla ah soo miyeenin ku soo dhicaynin because "habraha" ayagaa iska kay yaqaaniin, wayna iska kay jecelyahiin, sida aniga iyo kuwa aad hada tilmaamaysid aan isku bah nahay oo aanin kala maarmin, waana soo dhoweyneyna waana loo baahanahay.

 

Wax kale ayaan kuu sheegi walaal, sida anigu businesska "habraha" u soo dhaxgelin adiguna ha isku dayin in aad nala dhex shaqaysid ama nala faaidaysatid, illeyn nin muslim ahi ayaad isku tilmaamaysayee.

 

P.S. "Habraha" is an example relating to "old woman" and not necessary a clan and whoever interprets it like that, it's his own interpretation but I am not responsible for any grievances because I didn't meant anything with it. It's the only example I could think off because old ladies generally like to "fight" each other!

[RedSea]

Originally posted by Ducoqabe/Zayid: As-salaamu calaykum Dhamaan dadka gaar ahaan walaalkey Red sea!

wacaylaykum masalam Waraxma to you brother for you response.

 

Walaal waad ku mahadsantahay runahantiina caqligaaga ayaad ka hadashay.

Thanks for that, the reason I have posted was also for you to speak your mind and post your opinion about the subject.

 

 

Tan kale waa arrin layaab ah waxaad maanta laso shir tagtay, oo waxaan ku malaynayeey nin wadaad ah ee dadka kala qariya, laakiinse wax kale ayaad itustay.

Let me just start off by saying that I thank all others for posting their opinions for which they are entitled to about the subject at hand; Cadde's comments.

Secondly, to my brother Ducaqabe, brother, unless you have been paying attention, I always post questions and political related topics here on the political section in order to get the opinions of other whether I disagree with them or not. After all isn't this what the political section of SOL is about? Furthermore, for your information, the article that I have posted was retrieved from a website, which answers the questions that I have nothing to do with the opinions and report that are included in the artcle. The only reason I have posted was for you to express you feelings and your opinions in logical way, Everyone else did it, but you seem to be the sole one to directly go after me , as they say "don't shoot the messanger". So brother, would I be asking too much if I asked you to express your opinions about the article rather the person who has posted it.

 

In addition, if being a wadaad is about( religious figure) is about praying five times a day, reading the Quran, practicing the Hadith, and obeying his lord, then I could honestly say that I fit in that category. If posting an article related to politics is what makes one undoes being a Wadaad then I had no idea and I wait you to elighten me on where in the Quran and the Sunnah it says otherwise.

Waxaan kaloo aan ku tusay maxay tahay? Ma soo dhajinta warkan kasoo jeedhay Cadde Muse ayaan xagaaga isbedel ka keentay sida aad ii aragto? Waa war layaab leh iguna ah qariib, waxaan idhi waxay ahayd fikrad aan qabo anigu, mana aha mid aan iskaga hor keenayo dad walaalo ah waayo meesha dad isku *** laguma jiro awoodna uma lihi aan isku diro, markaa ha igu xad gudbin sheekh.

 

 

Cala kuli xaal, akhi I only say this to you, which is that there is a soomaali proverb, which means something along the line "Don't try to get in between (advantage) two brothers because at the end of the day, it is you who will loose out because brothers will always be brothers.

So in your opinion, the reason I have posted was to creat a rift between the brotherly love people who live in Sool, Sanaag and Bari. I don't think so brother. What do I get for being a namiim?other than a punishment from Allah. The people you are calling your brothers are also my brothers and more specifly they ar my poeple. They always were my brothers and will remain to be so in the future.

 

Tan kale nimanka aad sheegeesid waa dad walaalahay ah, oo waxaanu nahay isku bah (hooyo) iyo waliba isku aabo,

anagay nala yahiin kana tissanyihiin, oo dadka kale ayaan iska xigana.

)yahiin kana tirsanyahiin, oo dadka kale ayaan iska xigana. I am not applying in any way, that what he said was right but I hope you get the message I am trying to tell you!

Wow, so you are that kind of person yourself, you are trying to advice me that Sool and Sanaag citizens are your people. Well brother I know they are and you must know that they are also part of who I am and my closest ones to me.

If what your suggesting is that they are related to you clan wise, then I want no part of your dicussion for you clearly have taken this topic out of context and taken to different territory. I want no part and I don't want to know how they are related to you all I know that all Muslims and Somalis are brothers and sisters, I don't want to know anymore or any less period.

 

For example hadeey "habro" is diriraan oo aan anigu dhex galno si aan lilaahi ahayn oo isku dira ku jidha, aakhirkana markay "habraha" ay heshiiyaniin, soo meel cidla ah soo miyeenin ku soo dhicaynin because "habraha" ayagaa iska kay yaqaaniin, wayna iska kay jecelyahiin, sida aniga iyo kuwa aad hada tilmaamaysid aan isku bah nahay oo aanin kala maarmin, waana soo dhoweyneyna waana loo baahanahay.

Waligaaba habar habar lee.

 

What are you talking about now? I am sorry for I have trouble understnading of where you are going with this topic. :confused:

 

Wax kale ayaan kuu sheegi walaal, sida anigu businesska "habraha" u soo dhaxgelin adiguna ha isku dayin in aad nala dhex shaqaysid ama nala faaidaysatid, illeyn nin muslim ahi ayaad isku tilmaamaysayee.

So now you are backing off hey? no need for that I understnand your position keep it coming. Maxaan ka faaidaysanaya ee meesha ka jira. Runtii adoo qof Muslim ah in aad iga shakido waa khalad aad u wayn. Hadii kuugu ciliyo, anigu qofna kama faa idaysanyo, awoodna uma lihi sxb.

 

P.S. "Habraha" is an example relating to "old woman" and not necessary a clan and whoever interprets it like that, it's his own interpretation but I am not responsible for any grievances because I didn't meant anything with it. It's the only example I could think off because old ladies generally like to "fight" each other!

I know well what habro means, whether I related to clan base or not I know where your intentions are headed.

 

Finally brother, if you want to go and write all that nonsense so you could prove to me that Sool, Sanaag citizens are related to those who live in Bari, well I can sadly say that I knew it all along and you didn't have to go through that. It would mean alot if you responded to the topic itslef rather coming at me.

 

Assalamu Calaykum and have wonderful day.

[Xudeedi]

Good point Soomaal

 

There is a vacuum of leadership in Sanaag and Sool. Ever since General Ducaale died in that ambush attack by the Islamist en route to Las Khorreh following their defeat in Bossaso, that region has never rebounded from its political slump. He was charismatic Major General who had shown solidarity with his clan, and when events take on a more sinister aspect, he used to fill in and take over.

 

As long as this vacuum of leadership is in place, you should expect the same thing from warlords like Gen. Cadde.

 

I proposed a long time ago that these regions run their internal affairs instead of coming under unoffcial entities and their ignorant agents who are hell-destined to degrade their tol in Public.

 

 

You should prove to them if they can be majority by themselves and alone, for history proved and exposed otherwise. There and then, we would be content with munching the grass.

[Pure blood]

In my view, my fellow bretherns from Sool and Sanaag are quite capable of self-governing themselves. They have the wealth, the man power, and the capability to make their own state(s); I see no point in being adminstrated by a former public service worker.

[SOO MAAL]

Salaam

I proposed a long time ago that these regions run their internal affairs instead of coming under unoffcial entities and their ignorant agents who are hell-destined to degrade their tol in Public.

 

Bro Maakir well said

 

 

I couldn't agree with you more. You're absolutely right!

 

You should prove to them if they can be majority by themselves and alone, for history proved and exposed otherwise. There and then, we would be content with munching the grass.

As long as the complex political leadership vacuum and the brain drain (99% of native prominent leaders/professionals/educated/ waxgaradka guud are enjoying the comfortable life in diaspora, reluctant to do the least for their home region) continues in North-Central Somalia (sool sanaag and cayn region), northeast (Bari) and northwest (Somaliland) should be held responsible entirely, people of north central Somalia need to take some blame of their long-sleep and negligence of their home region. The natives of north-central Somalia urgently need to organize themselves, put an end the widespread chaos, lawlessness that disallowed the economic development and getting of international aid in SSC regions, restore hope in SSC regions, and confidence of people in their land.

 

Bro Red Sea,

 

Thank you, for bringing up this matter, pay no attention to doubtful individuals. Somali people need to learn to healthily scrutinize and rationally criticize the politicians and political administrations, there is Somali saying "Nin xil qaaday eed qaad. (which means) ~~ "He who takes responsibility becomes the target of the people." Needlessly, you resorted the defensive side.

 

Bro Sayyid,

 

I reassure bro red sea is great wadaad, compassionate patriot, and one of the best nomads in forum deserves admiration and respect. Occasionally, the bro is passionate critic of Puntland Administration that he intended completely to push forward the political debate of this forum.

 

Although Cade’s critique is valid, nonetheless Cadde has no right to offend an entire tribe, ha could have used name of the region like SSC, instead of the tribal name, maybe people backhome and generally Somalis are adjusted tribal names, and the fact that each of Somali regions is synonymous with at least one tribal name, but still a cheap excuse a high-ranking official, there something called political-correctness.

 

Don’t be too much suspicious, as all Somali people are brotherly people – the most homogenous nation that Allah created on the face of earth. The North-Central Somalia Region (SSC) that located the ever pulsing heart of Somalia and from all geographical direction neighbors with their brotherly Somali people.

Regarding the corrupted politics, the problem that natives of north-central have with some northwesters (Somaliland) is solely based on country affiliation; ideological (separatist Vs. unionists although allegedly both camps accuse the other camp tribal sentiment). On the other hand, north-central (SSC)-north east (bari) joint venture that give a birth the regional sate of punland didn’t generate the desirable results.

 

Fortunately, the northern regions from saylac to galkacyo enjoy relative peace despite the uncalled-for stand-off in Aricadeye.

 

 

The good news is at the end of day all of us Somali are one people with one country, one religion, one language, one culture etc……….∞∞∞∞∞

[SOO MAAL]

Originally posted by Napoleon Bonaparte:

In my view, my fellow bretherns from Sool and Sanaag are quite capable of self-governing themselves. They have the wealth, the man power, and the capability to make their own state(s); I see no point in being adminstrated by a former public service worker.

Excellent Point,

Of course, the natives north-central Somalia (SSC) should be in charge over their areas to end chaos, end Somaliland-Puntland rivalry, and secure the safety over areas.

 

Also, it only benefits all and never hurts to unite and have cooperation as equal partners with other brotherly Somali regions like northeast (Somaliland) and northeast (Bari) any bilateral effort should be the expense of any side. Currently in both Somaliland and punt land SSC regions are losing side.

 

The United States of America is one strong unified republic simultaneously each of the 50 states enjoys a fair degree of autonomy

 

United we stand, Divided we fall

[Sayyid]

Red sea, Stop distorting and twisting news, you do not have any knowledge about!

 

You see I feel very passionate about such things because it seems that you have transgressed into a area (business) that has nothing to do with you.

 

Generally speaking Muslims avoid indulging themselves into alleged things that have been supposedly said! It does not concern you, so what were your intentions of posting it? Was it to unite or for maslaxa?

 

When I say stop taking advantage, it's not because I assign you with any "awood" as you put it but rather a warning that you whatever you say, it will fall on deaf ears because as I already put it to you "brothers will always be brothers", just don't end up embarrassing yourself in shame.

 

You see you're the same like the reporters of Dayniile.com and other Mogadishu news outlets, which seem to be solely spreading distorted, unfounded and unverified news. They indeed try like you to take advantage (in ay naga dhex faaidaystaan nalana dhex shaqeyaan) because they have nothing else to do.

 

If it wasn't for Puntland or Abdullahi Yusuf, dayniile.com et al and you would be out of business and "news", aakhiradaada lee haku seegin, I say.

 

You made many fundamental mistakes, but blindly you still stand by those mistakes.

 

Can you verify, that Cadde Muuse indeed said it. Maku wallaahi baa? Maya soo ma'ahan because I believe shaahid maadan ahayn, you have not been witness to what has been said or not. I saw it like you at only two websites, laasqoray.com and an extract was passed to widhwithonline.com, I believe that it is their domain!

 

However you as Red sea, do not know in what context it was made (the alleged comment) and if it was actually said or something along the line was said but reported as something else, either way clearly you have not been there and you can not verify nor judge if that comment was actually made by Cadde and if in what context.

 

The other thing is why do you indulge in something that has nothing to do with you, have you been offended by that alleged comment? Do you belong to the said group that the president allegedly made the comment about? If not don't you think that it is wrong to be offended on other people's behalf as you're not their spokesman! There are enough people in here, who belong to that community and they never brought this issue up because it is not verifiable nor bringing people closer together in fact it is a cause for hostilities and anger, is that the desired outcome of yours? No, what was it I am not suspecting you on anything but it is clearly visible for all to see that this alleged comments don't serve for maslaxad nor reconciliation!

 

It is said in a hadith by Abu Huraira radiuallaahu canhu "Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) said: The Prophet (PBUH) said, "It is enough for a man to prove himself a liar when he goes on narrating whatever he hears.'

[Muslim].

 

Commentary: We learn from this Hadith that it is not fair to accept everything one hears as true without verifying it. Nor it is right to communicate it to others because it is quite possible that what one has heard is untrue and by communicating it to others, he adds it to his own lies. It is, therefore, necessary that one should make sure that what he is communicating to others is true.

 

Therefore it is really sad, that you Red sea, who was actually warning other nomads in here to abstain from something that they don't know nor indulge into something that is not in their business to come out and post a irrelevant article without any sense of purpose or intention other then trying to divide two brotherly people but I don't like the double standards but I say this to you "You have failed in your mission", because you can not provide any logical answer to what your intention were posting this divisive and unverified so-called news. You together with other outlets such as dayniile.com can put their "dacayaad" and isku *** even further but you cannot divide two brotherly community whatever you try!

 

The other thing is that you broke the golden camel milk threads rules in which it is prohibited to post any tribal names, how many times did you post tribal names in the article you posted?

 

Where are the moderators of this great side, when they're need. Here is a guy deliberately breaking camel milk thread rules by posting tribal names numeral times over, where's the justice here?

 

I hope the relevant people take up this issue and in fact remove this divisive article that doesn't serve any purpose whatsoever and on top, which is only reported on two websites of which it is not possible to verify if the said comments were actually made and if so in what context!

 

Wabillaahi towfiiq,

[Gabbal]

If he indeed uttered such a statement, I sense frustration much more then anything including constructive criticism? Frustration has a result of what possibly?

[Dhubad.]

Originally posted by Sayyid:

Red sea, Stop distorting and twisting news, you do not have any knowledge about!

 

Wabillaahi towfiiq,

I don't think RED SEA did anything wrong, all he did was cut and past a news article from a authentic website. It is clear that you have not liked the content of that news and you started doubting Red Sea's intention. That is no way you can prove that he intended to cause problem between people, cause you are not a mind reader and he clearly said that his intention was not to cause evil.

 

Marka sxb, take it easy waxba dhiiga ha isku kicin, this news is out there and there is nothing can be done to stop it.

 

Since I was in this forum, I have never came across Red See taking a side(Qabiil), he is always neutral, dhina diintana u badan.

[RedSea]

ASSALAMU CALAYKUM,

 

Brother Sayyid without doing a damage to your credibility, I would like to say few things on my behave in order to bring this unecessary roughness to an end. I believe you have gotten the wrong idea about me,because as you are aware I didn't write whatever that I have posted, but rather I have posted them in order to get your opinion, that was my intention and only intention and if you have any doubt that I have posted this for any other intentions and conflict between nomads who hail from each respective region then brother you are totally wrong about that and you owe me an apology for that.

 

The news that I have posted didn't fall on any deaf ears as far as I know it, but you were the first one to mis interpret it.

 

Cadde Muse is a politician and he is considered a leader of a state, so my question was since he is a leader of a state which has many tribes living in it then why would he mention the names of those tribes in negative manner in public press instead of just overviewing the situation?

 

As you are aware, I am from the north and anything that happens in that region whether it takes place in Somaliland or Puntland, it interests me more than the other regions in Somalia, hence that I always post things that happen in Somaliland or Puntland state.

 

What Cadde Muse said is a sure thing and there is no denying it unless you choose to but it has been said. I am not saying he sinned or said something that was absolutely out of line but rather it was suprising for a leader to mention a tribe's name in not so good way, since he knew that Somalis are triggered by some comments like that naturally speaking. So I thought since we are in forum which was desinged for us to have discussions openly and intellectually, you would have your say about the subject for which I have started in a respectable manner without directly coming after the one who copied and pasted.

 

As I have said in my previous thread that the citizens of Sool and Sanaag are no different than those living else where in Somali soil even more so in Togdheer, my native state. Which in turn means that we don't belong in seperate communities but rather same community who share same values more so than other Somalis. If you are saying they are not your tribe, then yes there are nomads ( Soo Maal, Kashanre, and more) who are from that tribe for which I developed close of relationship as anybody.

 

They have responded to this thread in productive way rather than leaping from the topic. If anybody would have the right to doubt me, then it's them brothers from Sool and Sanaag regions who actaully did responded in expressed their opinions in good fashion that benefited all of us. They chose to tackle the issue of Sool and Sanaag in more civilized way and you chose the low road of attacking and discreding your fellow nomad without a reason whatsoever other than that you labeled me as "diradirale" waciyaadu BilAllah for which I am clearly not.

 

If that was the case, I would have to ask myself what do I get for doing that other than a punishment and distancing myself from Allah? and you must know brother that I do have some Iman for which you didn't give me any credit for it . So I think shaydaan baa isku kaa sawiray ee isdaji adoo raali ah aflagaadana gaysan. Xadiiskaa aad soo dhajisayna Allah dhamaanteen ha inagu anfaco, Dhamaanteenba.

 

The Hadith you have posted also applies to you for unreasonably doubting a brother continuisly for I am your brother and you need to realize that, because you overlooked that I am also your blood or as you said laba qof oo laba habrood kala dhaleen. Shaydaanka iska naar oo arinta hasii fogayn ana wax ha ii dhimin naftaadana iyo sharaftaadana wax ha ka dhimin.

 

So what do you say we drop the load here, because it's up to you if you want to continue on, but I have decided to let the horse right here, right now. I want to end before it gets unhealthy for both of us. So what do you say brother should we end it right here and obey the prophet's words of Muslim Akhul Muslim. I hope you agree.

 

Wabil Allahi Tawfiiq and Wasalamu Calaykum.

[SOO MAAL]

Salaam

 

Bro Sayid

 

Politicians are public figures responsible of the affairs of entire population, there is Somali saying "Nin xil qaaday eed qaad. (which means) ~~ "He who takes responsibility becomes the target of the people." Also “Nin tuur leh tab uu seexdo waa yaqaan†markaa Cadde as any other politician is familiar with daily eed.

 

The issue is it true that Cadde publicly made this particular statement, if he said what is your position agree/disagree, if he didn’t bring a prove?

 

Red Sea as muslim brother, sayid why you barring red sea to comment on Puntland issues?

 

I believe any nomad can express his views toward of what’s happening in each and every inch of Somalia, no tribalism because it is infinite matter. The fact that we are all fellow muslim brothers and countrymen should be sufficient period. Therefore I request you to end the unhealthy talk

 

I like your image “Somalia ha noolatuâ€

 

It is said in a hadith by Abu Huraira radiuallaahu canhu "Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) said: The Prophet (PBUH) said, "It is enough for a man to prove himself a liar when he goes on narrating whatever he hears.'

[Muslim].

Thank you brother, you have shared with us a great hadith of our beloved prophet, and I will share with you another great hadith of:

Abu Hurairah ra said that Rasulullah saw said:

 

 

"Beware of suspicion, for suspicion is the greatest falsehood. Do not try to find fault with each other, do not spy on one another, do not vie with one another, do not envy one another, do not be angry with one another, do not turn away from one another, and be servants of Allah, brothers to one another, as you have been enjoined. A Muslim is the brother of a muslim, he does him no wrong, nor does he let him down, nor does he despise him. Fear of God is here, fear of God is here, and he pointed to his chest. It is evil enough thata Muslim should look down on his brother. For every muslim is sacred to one another : his blood, his honour, and his property. Allah does not look at your bodies or your forms, or your deeds, but He looks at your hearts".

 

( Bukhari, Muslim )

 

"O who you believe we have created you from males and females and nations and tribes that you may know each other, indeed the one that is closest to Allah is the one who fears (his lord). Quran: Surat Hujurat.

 

 

Red Sea

 

I appreciate for showing patience, and welcome your apology to those who misunderstood your intention.

 

 

I am from the north and anything that happens in that region whether it takes place in Somaliland or Puntland, it interests me more than the other regions in Somalia, hence that I always post things that happen in Somaliland or Puntland state.

 

I commend you bro for using accurately the term “north†of Somalia, most people use incorrectly the term†north†of Somalia, meaning only the territories of former British Somali colony, so if we look geographically “north†of Somalia regardless of the dark colonial history, both Somaliland and Puntland are “north†of Somalia, northwest and northeast respectively. As well extend your interest to other Somali regions like south Somalia, Djibouti, the occupied western Somalia, and southwest Somalia “NFDâ€.

 

Red sea from side, end the unhealthy talk, without waiting a green light from sayid!

 

 

"O who you believe we have created you from males and females and nations and tribes that you may know each other,

indeed the one that is closest to Allah is the one who fears (his lord)

." Quran: Surat Hujurat.

Indeed the best group are those who fear Allah, not those belong same nation, tribe, or skin color/body features/languages.

 

Thank you red sea, for making us always remember this great ayah from glorious Quran. I believe this ayah is cure for Somali people’s deadliest disease “tribalismâ€, Somali people should understand deeply that it is Allah’s creation of all humankinds, males, females, nations, tribes, and all skin colors/body features/languages of people, if you have hate against an entire group of people (like nation, tribe, those who certain skin color) there is no excuse because you a problem with Allah’s creation.

 

Now, both you brothers seem religious by using many Islamic terms, hadiths, and ayaat Al-Qur-an. I believe two genuine righteous Muslim brothers should have a closer relationship and sense of belonging then another two who hails from same tribe X.