Importance of Imaam Ahmed his conquest of Abyssinia

[General Duke]

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[Cowke]

The ONLF strategy is not good one however that gives no excuse to any admin within somalia to be handing them over to ethiopia. It is firstly un-islamic to hand over any muslim to a kuffar region and it's not apart of the local culture.

 

Secondly it would be a more wise thing for the onlf to re-strategize and take history into account when dealing with addis ababa.

 

Many men have failed in the defeat of the habash empire. Some notable ones are as follows;

 

1. Ahmed Guray

2. Sayid Abdulle

3. Mussolini

4. Siyad Barre

 

Those are some of the ones i can think of who have tried and failed into defeating addis ababa.

 

The only group I can remotely think off that succeeded against them is their brother asmara, however their brothers in asmara re-strategized and put their efforts into not the eplf armed resistance, but put their effort into getting meles zenawi into power a follow tigrinya and removing the former head of the state mengistu.

 

This played quite well for the asmara click, they got meles into power, meles thanked them for it and gave the asmara click separation from ethiopia.

 

If it wasn't for this re-strategizing the eplf would most likely still be fighting for indepedence.

 

I suggest to my brothers the onlf to put down their arms and take a leaf from the asmara click and their tactics which have proven more fruitful then the onlf and oromia campaigns that have been going on for over 20 years now.

 

ONLF should work their butts off into getting an an oromo dude into power at addis by funding him and supporting him and using politics such as "oromo's are the majority of ethiopia" slogans in order to win hearts and minds across africa and the international community.

 

Ethiopia today after-all claims it is democracy, and in a democracy majority rules. If i was from that area that would be my focus and not the onlf campaign which is ridiculously fighting 185 000 soldiers that come under the ethiopian military.

 

The odds are just not with them and a war against such a massive army which is reported to be the biggest in africa is just not in the interest of their people and it hasn't brought about any fruits towards indepedence.

 

To my brothers the ONLF that is my piece of advice. Tudos.

[General Duke]

Many men have failed in the defeat of the habash empire. Some notable ones are as follows;

 

1. Ahmed Guray

2. Sayid Abdulle

3. Mussolini

4. Siyad Barre

Ahmed Guray conquored most of what is Ethiopia, so did the Fascist Italian, thus as with most things you write you have no point.

[Cowke]

Ahmed guray was temporary success but eventually lost, and Mussolini never succeeded in ethiopia, if he did Addis would be an italian colony which ethiopia never became.

 

Infact Ethiopia is the only African nation that never was colonized. That is well known fact.

[General Duke]

Originally posted by Cowke:

Ahmed guray was temporary success but eventually lost, .

No adeer, Imam Ahmed conquored Ethiopia, and only lost to the army sent by Portugal. Imaam Ahmed took Amhara, Tigray and destroyed their churches and castles.

 

It took Ethiopia more than 200 years to recover and only under Menelik did they take Harar.

 

Thus again, dont just utter things you know nothing about.

 

They were also colonised by the Italians, for four years, hence they took that time of their calander. They were colonised, and conquored.

[Cowke]

General, don't try to compete with him, your people were naked when i was writing the somali language and had inter-continental trade network with local governance structure unknown in somalia.

 

The hargeisa click only had nabadoons at tops and no reported sultanates or governance when the colonialists came. And southern somalia had no sutanates and running wild in the farm-lands.

 

So it's pointless competing with me, Today It is Abdulqawi Yusuf, is a prominent public international lawyer and judge who is currently a judge at the International Court of Justice since February 6 2009.

[Cowke]

Ahmed Guray was total failure and never conquered all of ethiopia and if he did habasha wouldn't be around today.

 

For example a successful conquest is like the early muslims against iran. They conquered, changed and still their influence in seen in the people.

 

The same can not be replicated in ethiopia, the muslims there never became royalty or rulers of addis and was strictly controlled by the ethiopian christians.

 

Till this day we see the same. It was never a success but an utter failure

[General Duke]

Originally posted by Cowke:

General, don't try to compete with him, your people were naked when i was writing the somali language and had inter-continental trade network with local governance structure unknown in somalia.

 

The hargeisa click only had nabadoons at tops and no reported sultanates or governance when the colonialists came. And southern somalia had no sutanates and running wild in the farm-lands.

 

So it's pointless competing with me, Today It is Abdulqawi Yusuf, is a prominent public international lawyer and judge who is currently a judge at the International Court of Justice since February 6 2009.

looooooooool. You are indeed confusing yourself. Adeer what has the above got to do with ONLF, Ahmed Guray or Ethiopia.

 

Stick to the topic lad, your fake pretences dont wash with me.

[Cowke]

Many have tested the ethiopians, but noone has succeeded in controlling them for long period of time.

 

Menelik Defeated Italy well known fact!!!

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/375017/Menilek-II/4805/Defeat-of-Italy-at-Adwa

 

Ahmed Gurey was temporary success, just like America was temporary success against vietnam but still they lost at the end and that is all history counts. What happened last!!! Today Ethiopia is one of the lions of africa, only country not to be conquered, many have tried and many have failed. Period really!!!

[General Duke]

^^^Ahmed Guray defeated the Abyssinian Empire, you seem to enjoy highlighting your ignorance at every turn.

 

Not only Ethiopia, Imaam Ahmed defeated the Portuguese led by Padre De Gama the son of the famous Vasco De Game.

 

What’s the time span between Imaam Ahmed & Menelik the II?

 

Also little Melez Zanawi & Aferwearki trained by the Somali state are now leaders of what was Ethiopia. Hence Ethiopia like any nation can be defeated, but at what cost and what strategy must one use?

[Cowke]

Facts and Fiction is decided upon weight of evidence, bring your evidence forth and challenge the issue. My premise is that Ahmed gurey was defeated in 1542 by a large ethiopian army and Ahmed gurey was killed and his movement died and Ethiopia resumed operation as usual.

 

You can verify that by International encyclopaedia of Islamic dynasties Author: Nagendra Kr. Singh. Below on Page 52

 

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=FKD39Cbmdh0C&pg=PA52&lpg=PA52&dq=ahmed+gurey+defeated&source=bl& ots=dUPm6v2Dym&sig=YtLnrcNiq50dEcmJWTvTnzmGQmE&hl=en&ei=QTbnSqXHM6T26gO76dXqBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&c t=result&resnum=10&ved=0CBsQ6AEwCTg8#v=onepage&q=ahmed%20gurey%20defeated&f=false

 

So my conclusion is straight forward, what success are you talking about? Ahmed gurey defeated Ethiopian armies but it was short-lived and eventually he was repulsed and killed and his people dispersed. The Ethiopian Empire continued to operate as they always have been.

 

Sxb your arguements are weak and easily debunked, you just like to argue for the sake of argument but that is good because it can be shown to the audience that your ignorant and can be easily defeated with mere logic and reasoning and evidence.

[Cowke]

Duke, you don't know what success is. A good conquest forever remains upon the conquered people. A conquest is not about defeating but over-throwing the local structures in place of the conquered people.

 

Ahmed gurey defeated a few battalions and even reached tigray region, excellent but the fact remains HE WAS THROWN OUT and killed and became an utter failure.

[Cowke]

Any reputable university knows Ahmed Gurey was defeated except you son, lol. Anyways i am not going to continue this fruitless discussion. Waqti dhumis weeye waxaani.

[General Duke]

Originally posted by Cowke:

My premise is that Ahmed gurey was defeated in 1542 by a large ethiopian army and Ahmed gurey was killed and his movement died and Ethiopia resumed operation as usual.

 

Nonsense child, Ahmed Guray had a profound effect on not only Etrhiopia but the entire Horn, Business as usual was not the case.

 

"In Ethiopia the damage which [Ahmad] Gragn did has never been forgotten," wrote Paul B. Henze. "Every Christian highlander still hears tales of Gragn in his childhood.

Haile Selassie referred to him in his memoirs. I have often had villagers in northern Ethiopia point out sites of towns, forts, churches and monasteries destroyed by Gragn as if these catastrophes had occurred only yesterday."

[20] While acknowledging that many modern Somali nationalists consider Ahmad a national hero, Henze dismisses their claims, stating that the concept of a Somali nation did not exist during Ahmad's lifetime.

Also child after Imaam AHmed there was Nur Ibn Mujahid who went on to continue the war against Ethiopia

[General Duke]

Considered the patron saint of Harar, Mujahid was called the Sahib al-Fath at-Thani, or "Master of the Second Conquest". When Imam Ahmad, who had led the Muslim conquest of the Ethiopian highlands, was killed in 1543, the Muslim forces fell back in confusion to Harar. Nur, the dead leader’s sister’s son, married Ahmad Gragn’s firebrand widow, Bati del Wambara, and undertook to renew the fortunes of the Muslim city, which had been sacked in 1550. Promoted to Emir around 1550-51, he spent the next two years reorganizing his forces, and constructing the wall which still surrounds the city.[3]

 

In 1554-55, Nur departed on a Jihad, or Holy War, in the eastern Ethiopian lowlands of Bale, and Hadiya. In 1559, he invaded Fatagar, where he

fought against the Ethiopian emperor Galawdewos, and killed him in battle.

Nur continued fighting for 12 years until, according to legend, at Gibe he said "Kaffa!", or "Enough!", and returned to Harar. Some believe the province is called Kaffa for this reason

Cowke, Ahmed Guray was indeed killed in battle, this howver did not end the struggle, nor did Ethiopia recover for more than two hundred years.

 

Nur Mujahid, Imaam Ahmed successor even killed an Ethiopian Emperor.